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    Roman Catholic priests abused and degraded children throughout the 20th century and probably before. I say that with absolute certainty because no group operating in a large institution can abuse children for very long without the police knowing about it. Ask yourself how over 80 men, women, and children were burned to death because David Koresh was suspected of abusing children, yet the police never knew about pedophile priests? Common sense should tell everyone that pedophile priests were protected by the government until recently.

    NOTE: It goes without saying that the Vatican always knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. I suspect that it continues in foreign countries even though a dent has been made in the US and Canada. This form of abuse might only be the tip of the iceberg:


    Dutch Roman Catholic Church 'castrated at least 10 boys'
    At least 10 teenage boys or young men under the age of 21 were surgically castrated "to get rid of homosexuality" while in the care of the Dutch Roman Catholic Church in the 1950s.
    By Bruno Waterfield
    5:31PM GMT 19 Mar 2012

    Dutch Roman Catholic Church 'castrated at least 10 boys' - Telegraph

    First Henk Heithuis was molested then castrated for being homosexual and accusing his molesters. Does the phrase Catch 22 come to mind?

    Nothing the Dutch do surprises me. I’ve always said the German occupation in WWII was the last good thing to happen in Holland.

    The US Government

    Politicians, especially Irish and Italian bosses running 19th and 20th century political machines, condoned the abuse because they thought they would lose the Catholic vote if they exposed degenerate priests —— either that’s what they believed or they were as bad as the priests they protected. I have to think politicians worked on the assumption that the faithful preferred priests abusing generations of children rather than lock them up and embarrass their church.

    For however long it took to finally arrest criminal Roman Catholic priests in this country Islam’s clerics are starting the process again. The failed law in this excerpt is only the beginning:


    March 21, 2012
    Suicidal Democracy
    By Eileen F. Toplansky

    Articles: Suicidal Democracy

    The Pennsylvania and Florida cases do not scratch the surface. The camel’s nose is in the tent in 23 states. Soon, mutilating the female genitalia of children will be followed by government coverups for the same political reasons pedophile priests got away with it for so long.

    Consider this: In 2006 then-Senator Obama said:


    Hussein did NOT say that children would be protected from every priesthood. His hatred of the Constitution (negative liberties according to him) tells me he is too stupid to realize he is handing every organized religion the same Right to abuse children. Had he offered even one concrete proposal for reining in and punishing every brutal cleric instead of spouting a broad generalization I would have nothing to say.

    NOTE: Money insulates wealthy nonbelievers while child molesters of modest means often do time so the justice system can look like it’s dispensing justice evenhandedly.

    Hillary chimes in

    Diana West wrote a great piece about C.S. Lewis’ The Principle of First and Second Things where she quotes Hillary Clinton:


    "First Things" and the First Amendment
    Written by: Diana West
    Friday, September 14, 2012 5:59 AM

    The Death of the Grown-Up | Diana West > Home - "First Things" and the First Amendment

    I’m not certain if Clinton means tolerance for degenerate clerics, or if she means one organized religion should be tolerant of another? She’s pissing into the wind either way. Muslims would not be Muslims if they were tolerant.

    The burning question

    Why is there no reaction to 'Shariah: The Threat to America'?

    I can only answer by elaborating on previous comments: THOSE WHO ADMINISTER THE LAW CANNOT DEAL WITH IT BECAUSE THEY, TOO, HATE THE CONSTITUTION THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND; hence, Eileen F. Toplansky’s title Suicidal Democracy is a prediction.

    Naturally, Muslims have a self-interested view of the report Shariah: The Threat to America:


    September 21, 2010
    Why is there no reaction to 'Shariah: The Threat to America'?
    Mladen Andrijasevic

    Archived Blog: Why is there no reaction to 'Shariah:The Threat to America'?

    Finally, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion; i.e., the Right for individuals to practice their religion in peace. The First Amendment does not grant organized religion the Right to proselytize by force, with threats and intimidation, or tax dollars. Nor does the First Amendment grant the clergy the Right to brutalize the faithful.

    Just to be clear. Only fools try to eliminate organized religion or government. The biggest fools of all work to give one an advantage over the other. The immutable truth is this: Government and organized religion will always plague mankind. America’s Founders codified a way to limit the inherent evil in both. Limit government and keep organized religion voluntary.
     
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    This is what I was talking about in the OP:

    Cops to answer in court for 'stoning' of Christians
    Lawsuit follows Michigan Muslim mob attack on believers
    Published: 7 hours ago

    Cops to answer in court for ‘stoning’ of Christians

    When law enforcement officials refuse to arrest Muslims engaging in “Middle East Violence” in this country, there is not one chance in a trillion a district attorney will prosecute a Muslim cleric for anything. Like I said: “For however long it took to finally arrest criminal Roman Catholic priests in this country Islam’s clerics are starting the process again.”
     
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    this is a huge post with many important topics :)

    1. abuse of kids by pedo RC priests - well known (now) problem that should have been dealt with earlier, but i'm guessing earlier there were plenty of other problems happening too etc. now after several 10s of millions $$$ in fines i think the catholic church is getting a clue that PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE PEDOPHILE PRIESTS AND COVER UPS HIDING BEHIND RELIGION. as for who knew what when, generally criminal behavior is kept more quiet than less, the fewer people that know the fewer leaks etc. otherwise this really isn't my topic...

    2. as for islam, to hell with it - yesterday, today, tomorrow, forever. islamic ideology & history make xtians look like angelic cherubs, which is a difficult thing to achieve but those crazed hordes of sand monkeys have done it. a very big problem today is educating people with facts & knowledge about islamic ideology & history. almost everybody in western society generally "knows" about the evils of xnity and this same level of knowledge is needed for islam, which right now is totally protected by political correctness, and ANY FACTUAL INFO about this totally caca horrible ideology is ranted down as hate speech, racism, bigotry, islamophobia etc etc all the while spewing the same vile info about judaism & xnity FREE PASS. why is this ??? why is western society so fucked up about this issue ??? people are not stupid, i have seen several fairly liberal types react in horror & shock after learning more accurate info about islam, change their views 180 degrees and start slamming islam just like they slam xnity, so the work needs to continue education education education until the mooselimbs crumple under their own b.s. as i cannot imagine rational informed freedom loving people EVER submitting to the will of allah without fighting back

    bottom line - TO HELL WITH ISLAM
     
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    I highly doubt the government had anything to do with the pedophile priest cover up. And they sure as heck shouldn't have gotten involved with Koresh. He wasnt a threat to the government.
     
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    Then Senator Obama was correct: we are a Nation of many faiths, and those free of faith. It’s a perfectly accurate and appropriate observation.

    It indicates a clear and concise understanding of both the Constitution, where the state remains separate and neutral concerning matters of faith, as well as the religious diversity of the American Nation.

    The rest of the OP is incomprehensible gibberish.
     
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    To ecks_why: I probably was not clear. I was trying to show the evils in a partnership between two eternal institutions —— ORGANIZED religion and government; hence, I closed with:

    To Avatar4321: I sense that your conclusion is confined to recent decades. Like most Americans, I assume you want the US military under civilian control. You might better-understand why I said the coverup went all the way back when you realize the police are controlled by politicians:

    To Avatar4321: Note that it was politicians who ordered the slaughter in Waco because Koresh’s standoff was embarrassing the Clintons who had taken office a month earlier. Also note that everybody in the Clinton Administration called it a tragedy, but nobody ever said it was an accident —— I should say that nobody called it an accident without being laughed out of town.

    To C_Clayton_Jones: Hussein’s statement is pure misdirection. America was never a Christian country although the faithful in various Christian sects always constituted the vast majority. They still do. If you read his remark carefully you will see that he implies Christians are no longer the majority.

    In effect, Hussein said “Now, all religions are allowed.” as though that was not the case in this country from the very beginning. Hussein is a clever little sneak because he knows that all religions were always allowed along with everyone choosing not to belong to an organized religion. For such a clever fellow he is too stupid to know that millions of Americans are not atheists because they refuse to pay dues to a religion.

    And what is it that "nonbelievers" do not believe? Do they not believe in God? or do they not believe in religion? I’m pretty sure he meant religion, specifically, Islam.

    Hussein is like every other totalitarian fruitcake that ever lived; he hates people who do not belong to a religion more than he hates atheists. That’s probably why he advocates Islam over Christianity. In Islam, and in Hussein’s true religion —— Communism —— you pay up or you lose your head; whereas, Christians might not be happy with non-church goers, but they accept the First Amendment. Bottom line: Muslims and Communists cannot coexist with freedom of worship.

    NOTE: Every priesthood and every government have one thing in common: They fear those who believe in God infinitely more than they fear competing religions and opposing forms of government.

    In any event, Hussein’s remark is preposterous coming from a guy who promotes Islam, a POLITICAL MOVEMENT passing itself off as a religion that will not tolerate other religions. If you doubt me try to imagine what America would be today had Muslims always been the majority. In fact, I can make a good guess at how a Bill of Rights would read had it been written by Muslims after the War for Independence ended.


    To C_Clayton_Jones: The topic is too profound for you to grasp not what I said. In the future be guided by Mark Twain:

     
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