Bundy Caught Lying about "Ancestral Rights"

[Asclepias]

No, I have not seen any document at all. I just thought it was strange the article did not mention his maternal great grandparents name, or where they lived in Nevada.



An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history - 8 News NOW

I just find it strange they even name his paternal great-grandpa and where he lived-outside Nevada, but don't name his maternal great-grandparents and where they lived in Nevada. I find it strange, they don't even name them, they just say:

Does anything about the age his great grandmother had to be to make that fit bother you? Pushing 40 during those days and having a child dont add up.

I never heard him mention 1864, I thought he said "since 1877"..

He did:

have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877.

The Cliven Bundy in all of us | Reihan Salam

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

 

[Mertex]

When someone calls Bundy a deadbeat, and I point out who the deadbeats are, that is me winning the argument.

Bundy is a deadbeat....a racist deadbeat....and you have done nothing but regurgitate a bunch of rw gibberish you heard on Faux News that only the blunt minded believe.

Your sentence is a cliche. Now, go back to playing buttpenis with what ever man you are meeting tonight in your drum circle.

So typical of right-wing butt hurt lechers....all they can do is call names and attack...and get nasty, because that is all they've got...Go take your Viagra, maybe it will make you feel better, give you something to do with yourself.

 

[Vigilante]

Does anything about the age his great grandmother had to be to make that fit bother you? Pushing 40 during those days and having a child dont add up.

I never heard him mention 1864, I thought he said "since 1877"..

He did:

have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877.

The Cliven Bundy in all of us | Reihan Salam

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

 

[Asclepias]

What we proved is that you guys called him a liar because his father lived in another state....and that "forefather" and "father" are not one and the same thing.

Idiots.

No stupid. He is a liar because he cant prove anyone was there before 1901. There should be some documentation that proves his relatives were there in 1877. We already know they didn't own the land.

 

[Vigilante]

What we proved is that you guys called him a liar because his father lived in another state....and that "forefather" and "father" are not one and the same thing.

Idiots.

No stupid. He is a liar because he cant prove anyone was there before 1901. There should be some documentation that proves his relatives were there in 1877. We already know they didn't own the land.

 

[Asclepias]

I never heard him mention 1864, I thought he said "since 1877"..

He did:


The Cliven Bundy in all of us | Reihan Salam

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

A very fundamental difference. He never ever had rights to the land. Come on. You cant be that stupid can you?

 

[Vigilante]

Bundy is a deadbeat....a racist deadbeat....and you have done nothing but regurgitate a bunch of rw gibberish you heard on Faux News that only the blunt minded believe.

Your sentence is a cliche. Now, go back to playing buttpenis with what ever man you are meeting tonight in your drum circle.

So typical of right-wing butt hurt lechers....all they can do is call names and attack...and get nasty, because that is all they've got...Go take your Viagra, maybe it will make you feel better, give you something to do with yourself.

 

[Vigilante]

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

A very fundamental difference. He never ever had rights to the land. Come on. You cant be that stupid can you?

BUT AL SHARPTON OWES YOU AND THE GOVERNMENT $2.5 MILLIOM!!!....BUT.....


You assholes couldn't care less but lets get Bundy and his $1 MILLION!!!

 

[CaféAuLait]

Does anything about the age his great grandmother had to be to make that fit bother you? Pushing 40 during those days and having a child dont add up.

I never heard him mention 1864, I thought he said "since 1877"..

He did:

have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877.

The Cliven Bundy in all of us | Reihan Salam

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

My point was he never said 1864, he said 1877. I don't think he ever claimed such, but that his family had rights because they purchased the leases to the ground and such was transferred to him because of ancestral rights. I may be wrong of course.

 

[Asclepias]

A very fundamental difference. He never ever had rights to the land. Come on. You cant be that stupid can you?

BUT AL SHARPTON OWES YOU AND THE GOVERNMENT $2.5 MILLIOM!!!....BUT.....


You assholes couldn't care less but lets get Bundy and his $1 MILLION!!!

Your deflection is noted. Start another thread on it.

 

[Asclepias]

I never heard him mention 1864, I thought he said "since 1877"..

He did:




The Cliven Bundy in all of us | Reihan Salam

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

My point was he never said 1864, he said 1877. I don't think he ever claimed such, but that his family had rights because they purchased the leases to the ground and such was transferred to him because of ancestral rights. I may be wrong of course.

If they purchased rights why doesn't he have the paperwork? Why cant he even prove someone was around in 1877? I understand he never said 1864 but that goes to his fundamental lack of awareness he has no leg to stand on. Basically he is saying he does not recognize the rights of the federal government to own the land even though it says it in the state constitution.

 

[Vigilante]

A very fundamental difference. He never ever had rights to the land. Come on. You cant be that stupid can you?

BUT AL SHARPTON OWES YOU AND THE GOVERNMENT $2.5 MILLIOM!!!....BUT.....


You assholes couldn't care less but lets get Bundy and his $1 MILLION!!!

Your deflection is noted. Start another thread on it.

No deflection child, just a fact that you assholes are dithering on a man for $1 million. when you don't say shit about a RACE BAITER that owes YOU and the Government $2.5 Million... just showing your HYPOCRISY, and bullshit coming home to ROOST!

 

[Asclepias]

BUT AL SHARPTON OWES YOU AND THE GOVERNMENT $2.5 MILLIOM!!!....BUT.....


You assholes couldn't care less but lets get Bundy and his $1 MILLION!!!

Your deflection is noted. Start another thread on it.

No deflection child, just a fact that you assholes are dithering on a man for $1 million. when you don't say shit about a RACE BAITER that owes YOU and the Government $2.5 Million... just showing your HYPOCRISY, and bullshit coming home to ROOST!

Thats another deflection.

deflect
1.
cause (something) to change direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Thats what makes the 1864 date so relevant. The land was federal land as specified in the Nevada state constitution.

My point was he never said 1864, he said 1877. I don't think he ever claimed such, but that his family had rights because they purchased the leases to the ground and such was transferred to him because of ancestral rights. I may be wrong of course.

If they purchased rights why doesn't he have the paperwork? Why cant he even prove someone was around in 1877? I understand he never said 1864 but that goes to his fundamental lack of awareness he has no leg to stand on. Basically he is saying he does not recognize the rights of the federal government to own the land even though it says it in the state constitution.

I believe his point about the leases they purchased was they were nullified and changed by BLM, that is his point of contention and according to him they can't change it so they force him out of business.

I've said before I don't agree with a lot of what happened at his ranch, my sticking point is one of two things.

The first being every says he is mooching using "their" land for free, but the 6 million visitors there each year use "his" land for free. Seems to be a bit of a double standards there, especially if BLM need said moneys to protect the tortoise. Those people are damaging that land as well, why not charge them a few bucks?. Land damage and conservation is the very reason BLM charges one million dollars to the Burning Man event coordinators, and limit their gathering to 50k.

Secondly, BLM has been found in the past, by their own internal reports guilty of wrongdoing when it comes to that land and underselling it and scamming others out of the land.

Bundy is not the only person doing the same ( refusing to pay those fees) , he just happens to be the most famous because he used social media and ended up having idiots at his ranch, which gained even more press.

 

[Vigilante]

Your deflection is noted. Start another thread on it.

No deflection child, just a fact that you assholes are dithering on a man for $1 million. when you don't say shit about a RACE BAITER that owes YOU and the Government $2.5 Million... just showing your HYPOCRISY, and bullshit coming home to ROOST!

Thats another deflection.

deflect
1.
cause (something) to change direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.

Want to go back and see if it was mentioned before and no one said it was a deflection?

 

[Asclepias]

My point was he never said 1864, he said 1877. I don't think he ever claimed such, but that his family had rights because they purchased the leases to the ground and such was transferred to him because of ancestral rights. I may be wrong of course.

If they purchased rights why doesn't he have the paperwork? Why cant he even prove someone was around in 1877? I understand he never said 1864 but that goes to his fundamental lack of awareness he has no leg to stand on. Basically he is saying he does not recognize the rights of the federal government to own the land even though it says it in the state constitution.

I believe his point about the leases they purchased was they were nullified and changed by BLM, that is his point of contention and according to him they can't change it so they force him out of business.

I've said before I don't agree with a lot of what happened at his ranch, my sticking point is one of two things.

The first being every says he is mooching using "their" land for free, but the 6 million visitors there each year use "his" land for free. Seems to be a bit of a double standards there, especially if BLM need said moneys to protect the tortoise. Those people are damaging that land as well, why not charge them a few bucks?. Land damage and conservation is the very reason BLM charges one million dollars to the Burning Man event coordinators, and limit their gathering to 50k.

Secondly, BLM has been found in the past, by their own internal reports guilty of wrongdoing when it comes to that land and underselling it and scamming others out of the land.

Bundy is not the only person doing the same ( refusing to pay those fees) , he just happens to be the most famous because he used social media and ended up having idiots at his ranch, which gained even more press.

BLM is most likely dirty as well but in this particular case I side with them. Now to find out Bundy is basically of the same species as some of the racists on this board I simply feel no pity for his sorry ass. BTW thanks for the info on the Dann sisters.

 

[Asclepias]

No deflection child, just a fact that you assholes are dithering on a man for $1 million. when you don't say shit about a RACE BAITER that owes YOU and the Government $2.5 Million... just showing your HYPOCRISY, and bullshit coming home to ROOST!

Thats another deflection.

deflect
1.
cause (something) to change direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.

Want to go back and see if it was mentioned before and no one said it was a deflection?

My name is not "no one". You responded to my post clown. Its not in the OP nor in any of my posts. If you want to deflect then deflect with the person that mentioned it.

 

[manifold]

Brown you are having a problem with reading my words and my mind. I would have called him a stupid bitch if that was my intent. I merely warned that those who did so were stupid bitches. Slight difference that escapes your level of understanding.

I get the difference.

It's the distinction I reject.

Thats why its good to live in a free country. You can reject things and not understand things all day long and you cant be locked up for it. You can even pretend to read minds and get paid for it.

And you can even backpedal with fervor on the internet.

Ain't life grand.

 

[Vigilante]

Thats another deflection.

Want to go back and see if it was mentioned before and no one said it was a deflection?

My name is not "no one". You responded to my post clown. Its not in the OP nor in any of my posts. If you want to deflect then deflect with the person that mentioned it.

That's right I responded to your post and you have NO DEFENSE so now I divert! We all see it, child.

 

[CaféAuLait]

If they purchased rights why doesn't he have the paperwork? Why cant he even prove someone was around in 1877? I understand he never said 1864 but that goes to his fundamental lack of awareness he has no leg to stand on. Basically he is saying he does not recognize the rights of the federal government to own the land even though it says it in the state constitution.

I believe his point about the leases they purchased was they were nullified and changed by BLM, that is his point of contention and according to him they can't change it so they force him out of business.

I've said before I don't agree with a lot of what happened at his ranch, my sticking point is one of two things.

The first being every says he is mooching using "their" land for free, but the 6 million visitors there each year use "his" land for free. Seems to be a bit of a double standards there, especially if BLM need said moneys to protect the tortoise. Those people are damaging that land as well, why not charge them a few bucks?. Land damage and conservation is the very reason BLM charges one million dollars to the Burning Man event coordinators, and limit their gathering to 50k.

Secondly, BLM has been found in the past, by their own internal reports guilty of wrongdoing when it comes to that land and underselling it and scamming others out of the land.

Bundy is not the only person doing the same ( refusing to pay those fees) , he just happens to be the most famous because he used social media and ended up having idiots at his ranch, which gained even more press.

BLM is most likely dirty as well but in this particular case I side with them. Now to find out Bundy is basically of the same species as some of the racists on this board I simply feel no pity for his sorry ass. BTW thanks for the info on the Dann sisters.

Hey, no problem. I don't know if I told you about Raymond Yowell as well, his case is different, he is on an Indian Reservation and they were taking his SS and cattle until a judge stopped them from doing that. There are a lot of crazy cases out there.