Bullies: Obama Administration Summons NRA to White House

[JoeB131]

You'll find that criminals will typically "avoid" people and homes that they believe are armed and capable of defending themselves.

Really, you talk to a lot of criminals?

Had a cousin who had a stint of breaking into houses, and went to jail for it... He usually waited until he was sure no one was home when he broke in... So do most burglers...

ANd if there's a gun there, they steal that, too.

Today in my local newspaper--a couple (while at home) were invaded by criminals who tied them up and rand-sacked their homes. It happens everyday in the U.S. Innocent people are killed every single day of the week by criminals in this country. That is a FACT.

It is also a FACT that when you ban the legal sale of guns to law abiding citizens of this nation--the only ones that will have guns will be criminals. All you're doing at that time is setting up the law abiding citizens for a duck shoot.

There are much better ways to regulate the sale of guns than banning them.

1. Require that the registered owner has a bomb proof gun safe.
2. Require that the registered owner signs a sworn statement that he will be in sole possession of the gun--he cannot sell to another--and that the registered owner will be the only one using the gun.
3. On assault weapons require a liability insurance policy-which should take some of the macho--gotta have this gun type attitude out of the equation.

Most victims of gun violence are either suicdes or domestic arguments. The home invasion is shocking because it is so rare.

But to the point, the gun nuts wouldn't even go along with the sensible things you've sugested.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe so but the stiff gun laws in Conn did nothing to stop that nut-case. He still got access to what he needed and new laws won't change that. Bringing charges against a corpse is a futile proposition. His mother included. The root causes are being ignored here. Guns didn't force this kid over the edge. Guns didn't allow him to walk the streets when he should have been locked up before he had a paper trail facilitating his commital.

So you want to lock up people without a paper trail saying they are crazy...

We could probably clean up all of USMB"s RWers under that logic.

On a serious note, the fact is Japan strictly regulates guns and who can have them, they had all of 11 gun murders in the last year we have data for.

How many murders total?

I'm glad you asked.


In 2010- the US had 14159 murders, 9148 of which were committed with guns.

Japan had 582 murders, of which only 11 were committed with guns...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So this is about children being murdered and yet LIBERALS CHAMPION SLAUGHTERING CHILDREN invetro..


Wow..

One More time...

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[Some Guy]

Why is it always about extremes? Lock up anyone who shows any type of mental disorder? Maybe the most severe like paranoid schizophrenia or borderline personality disorder (although Brandon Marshall of the Bears proves that you can live a healthy life with it). The best answer there is through better education. Maybe more of a concerted effort to educate people to notice some of the signs so they can speak up and attempt to get someone help would actually help.

Fact is though, bad things happen in an uncertain world. Murphy's law states that if something can go wrong, it will. All we can do is make reasonable efforts to limit those bad things and enhance the good. Barring anyone from owning a gun is something i wouldn't classify as "reasonable."

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Lefties who attack the 2nd amendment as a means to disarmament might as well try to punch the walls out with their bare hands as a means of trying to bring down a brick building. Might as well focus on the "well regulated militia" part.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maybe so but the stiff gun laws in Conn did nothing to stop that nut-case. He still got access to what he needed and new laws won't change that. Bringing charges against a corpse is a futile proposition. His mother included. The root causes are being ignored here. Guns didn't force this kid over the edge. Guns didn't allow him to walk the streets when he should have been locked up before he had a paper trail facilitating his commital.

So you want to lock up people without a paper trail saying they are crazy...

We could probably clean up all of USMB"s RWers under that logic.

On a serious note, the fact is Japan strictly regulates guns and who can have them, they had all of 11 gun murders in the last year we have data for.

Speaking of Japan--a little ww2 history for you. When historians asked as to why Japan never attacked the homeland of the US--many Japanese leaders stated it was because they knew the citizens of the U.S. were armed--and they didn't want another front to deal with.

Nonsense. You will find no historian of repute that reports such a story except as anecdotal, supposedly.

The Japanese military man was not afraid of any civilian anywhere, including the Americans who were looked down as barbarians.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maybe so but the stiff gun laws in Conn did nothing to stop that nut-case. He still got access to what he needed and new laws won't change that. Bringing charges against a corpse is a futile proposition. His mother included. The root causes are being ignored here. Guns didn't force this kid over the edge. Guns didn't allow him to walk the streets when he should have been locked up before he had a paper trail facilitating his commital.

So you want to lock up people without a paper trail saying they are crazy...

We could probably clean up all of USMB"s RWers under that logic.

On a serious note, the fact is Japan strictly regulates guns and who can have them, they had all of 11 gun murders in the last year we have data for.

How many murders total?

Immaterial.

 

[saveliberty]

Most victims of gun violence are either suicdes or domestic arguments. The home invasion is shocking because it is so rare.

But to the point, the gun nuts wouldn't even go along with the sensible things you've sugested.

Home invasions are numerous, perhaps you should clarify your comment? More to the point, a citizen has the right to defend themselves in a home invasion with a gun. The number of occurences is really moot.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Most victims of gun violence are either suicdes or domestic arguments. The home invasion is shocking because it is so rare.

But to the point, the gun nuts wouldn't even go along with the sensible things you've sugested.

Home invasions are numerous, perhaps you should clarify your comment? More to the point, a citizen has the right to defend themselves in a home invasion with a gun. The number of occurences is really moot.

We have a right to use a nuclear weapon if we just, but OBAMA HUSSEIN has decided to violate the constitution and deny us our right to bear nuclear arms!

 

[Wehrwolfen]

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Speaking of Japan--a little ww2 history for you. When historians asked as to why Japan never attacked the homeland of the US--many Japanese leaders stated it was because they knew the citizens of the U.S. were armed--and they didn't want another front to deal with.

Actually, that's an urban myth... The Japanese never had any intention of invading the US mainland. Wasn't even a war goal. Nor was that statement - often attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, who died before the war ended, ever uttered.

Their goal was to drag the US into a pointless war over small islands, that would go on for about a year, after Which Japan would propose a peace treaty.

However, because their attack on Pearl Harbor happened before their official declaration of war was delivered, everyone was outraged by the sneak attack.

If that is the case, the Japanese and their logic screwed up royally. Their misguided logic caused the deaths of millions of their own countrymen, British, East Indian, Chinese and Americans through their actions.

So is the case with gun control. There are many cases whereas the use of a firearms has been used to protect families and people attacked in their homes and outside the home. Home invasions are on the rise. The town I live in has no police force and we must depend on either County or State police. Response time is anywhere between 20 minutes to two hours. In that case, I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Poor Geoerge Zimmerman protected himself against the assault from Trayvon Martin and the bigotted biased President and Socialist friends tried to lynch the man. Now they are trying to disarm Americans.

 

[JoeB131]

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Speaking of Japan--a little ww2 history for you. When historians asked as to why Japan never attacked the homeland of the US--many Japanese leaders stated it was because they knew the citizens of the U.S. were armed--and they didn't want another front to deal with.

Actually, that's an urban myth... The Japanese never had any intention of invading the US mainland. Wasn't even a war goal. Nor was that statement - often attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, who died before the war ended, ever uttered.

Their goal was to drag the US into a pointless war over small islands, that would go on for about a year, after Which Japan would propose a peace treaty.

However, because their attack on Pearl Harbor happened before their official declaration of war was delivered, everyone was outraged by the sneak attack.

If that is the case, the Japanese and their logic screwed up royally. Their misguided logic caused the deaths of millions of their own countrymen, British, East Indian, Chinese and Americans through their actions.

So is the case with gun control. There are many cases whereas the use of a firearms has been used to protect families and people attacked in their homes and outside the home. Home invasions are on the rise. The town I live in has no police force and we must depend on either County or State police. Response time is anywhere between 20 minutes to two hours. In that case, I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Poor Geoerge Zimmerman protected himself against the assault from Trayvon Martin and the bigotted biased President and Socialist friends tried to lynch the man. Now they are trying to disarm Americans.

Actually, their strategy in WWII was exactly the same as their strategy in 1905 with Russia. Bog down the war until someone wants peace.

Zimmerman was a racist thug who is going to spend the rest of his life in prison...

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

"Duh, I'm just making sure I brought my head."​

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

NRA better be prepared!!!!
Obama and Biden's plan is to PR them to death. They will pull out gun victim after gun victim to gather sympathy for their cause. Obama and Biden will tell story after story about how guns killed innocent children. They will cry and weep for the victims. Hugging family members and letting them demand more gun control.
Then point to the NRA and say how can you be so cold hearted and not feel sympathy for these people.

Then one miss place word out of the mouth of the NRA will be jumped on with contentment. They will characterize them as evil, blood thirsty, closer minded individuals that seek to destroy society.

The NRA and gun right activist better be prepared to play this game or kiss your guns rights good bye.

The NRA should make it clear that it's deplorable for anti-gun folks to use dead folks and peoples' emotional vulnerabilities as tools to further a gun grabbing agenda.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

by Ben Shapiro
8 Jan 2013

Vice President Joe Biden, who is heading up the President’s task force on gun control proposals, announced Tuesday that he would be meeting this week with the National Rifle Association, among other groups.

And his timing is just a bit suspect; the day before meeting with the NRA, Biden will be meeting with gun control organizations and shooting victims. Presumably, his welcome for the NRA will be somewhat less hearty.

The NRA, under heavy public pressure thanks to the White House’s bully tactics after the Sandy Hook massacre, said it would visit the White House to “hear what they have to say.”

This is all a dog and pony show, of course. The Washington Post has already reported that the administration wants a broad swath of gun legislation; Democratic Congresspeople proposed eight separate gun bills on the first day of the term; and Mayor Thomas Menino of Boston, who co-chairs Mayors Against Illegal Guns with nanny Mayor Michael Bloomberg, said that Biden promised him action before the end of January.

So why is the NRA visiting? Because the White House has given them no other public relations choice. President Obama has singled the group out for criticism. The White House’s media lackeys, including David Gregory of NBC News, have grilled the NRA, asking them to back off their organization’s stated mission.


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Bullies: Obama Administration Summons NRA to White House

MLK would be treated better at a Klan rally.

Not a bad thing at all. The NRA deserves a sound ass kicking. They have fought any reasonable law that would keep assault weopons out of the hands of the crazies, now they are reaping the consequences of that. But it was someone else's kids that died for their folly, so it matters little to them.

LOL@"reasonable law".

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

There is no legislation that will stop insane people. As usual, most of the hand wringers are going down the wrong path again. Our founding fathers gave us the solution. Self defense.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Maybe so but the stiff gun laws in Conn did nothing to stop that nut-case. He still got access to what he needed and new laws won't change that. Bringing charges against a corpse is a futile proposition. His mother included. The root causes are being ignored here. Guns didn't force this kid over the edge. Guns didn't allow him to walk the streets when he should have been locked up before he had a paper trail facilitating his commital.

So you want to lock up people without a paper trail saying they are crazy...

We could probably clean up all of USMB"s RWers under that logic.

On a serious note, the fact is Japan strictly regulates guns and who can have them, they had all of 11 gun murders in the last year we have data for.

LOL@trying to compare Japan to the United States

 

[JakeStarkey]

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Speaking of Japan--a little ww2 history for you. When historians asked as to why Japan never attacked the homeland of the US--many Japanese leaders stated it was because they knew the citizens of the U.S. were armed--and they didn't want another front to deal with.

Actually, that's an urban myth... The Japanese never had any intention of invading the US mainland. Wasn't even a war goal. Nor was that statement - often attributed to Admiral Yamamoto, who died before the war ended, ever uttered.

Their goal was to drag the US into a pointless war over small islands, that would go on for about a year, after Which Japan would propose a peace treaty.

However, because their attack on Pearl Harbor happened before their official declaration of war was delivered, everyone was outraged by the sneak attack.

If that is the case, the Japanese and their logic screwed up royally. Their misguided logic caused the deaths of millions of their own countrymen, British, East Indian, Chinese and Americans through their actions.

So is the case with gun control. There are many cases whereas the use of a firearms has been used to protect families and people attacked in their homes and outside the home. Home invasions are on the rise. The town I live in has no police force and we must depend on either County or State police. Response time is anywhere between 20 minutes to two hours. In that case, I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Poor Geoerge Zimmerman protected himself against the assault from Trayvon Martin and the bigotted biased President and Socialist friends tried to lynch the man. Now they are trying to disarm Americans.

Only a very few, very misguided Americans want to ban firearms completely. It is immoral, unethical, and in some cases utterly a known lie to suggest that is what those who wish for sensible restrictions on certain weapons and magazines.

Most Americans want sensible restrictions, and the Congress and SCOTUS may agree with them in the next few years.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Only a very few, very misguided Americans want to ban firearms completely. It is immoral, unethical, and in some cases utterly a known lie to suggest that is what those who wish for sensible restrictions on certain weapons and magazines.

Most Americans want sensible restrictions, and the Congress and SCOTUS may agree with them in the next few years.

"Sensible" is a matter of perception.

 

[saveliberty]

Most victims of gun violence are either suicdes or domestic arguments. The home invasion is shocking because it is so rare.

But to the point, the gun nuts wouldn't even go along with the sensible things you've sugested.

Home invasions are numerous, perhaps you should clarify your comment? More to the point, a citizen has the right to defend themselves in a home invasion with a gun. The number of occurences is really moot.

We have a right to use a nuclear weapon if we just, but OBAMA HUSSEIN has decided to violate the constitution and deny us our right to bear nuclear arms!

So you have it on good authority that the US government will go nuclear on its citizenary in the event of civil war? Now who is not being sensible? A little overkill for a home envasion too. Dimwit.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Home invasions are numerous, perhaps you should clarify your comment? More to the point, a citizen has the right to defend themselves in a home invasion with a gun. The number of occurences is really moot.

We have a right to use a nuclear weapon if we just, but OBAMA HUSSEIN has decided to violate the constitution and deny us our right to bear nuclear arms!

So you have it on good authority that the US government will go nuclear on its citizenary in the event of civil war? Now who is not being sensible? A little overkill for a home envasion too. Dimwit.

Well, a government going nuclear on its own citizens in the event of civil war would be somewhat counterproductive, as it would make the country in which that government wants to rule and live pretty miserable to live in, if it was even capable of being lived in in first place. And, last time I checked, I don't think nuclear weapons were in "common use".

 

[akelch]

So you want to lock up people without a paper trail saying they are crazy...

We could probably clean up all of USMB"s RWers under that logic.

On a serious note, the fact is Japan strictly regulates guns and who can have them, they had all of 11 gun murders in the last year we have data for.

How many murders total?

I'm glad you asked.


In 2010- the US had 14159 murders, 9148 of which were committed with guns.

Japan had 582 murders, of which only 11 were committed with guns...

Interesting....
Your right!! But others say it's not because of lack of guns.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreen...its-immigration-policies-not-its-gun-control/