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That may be.
What's it mean to you if it is? If it isn't true then he was born in Kenya, what does that mean to you? The latter of course is not true he was born in Hawaii.
I don't think it much matters 30 years later. Even if he wasn't forthcoming with the truth, we all do dumb things as kids, and I wouldn't particularly hold it against him. Bush did cocaine when he was younger. I didn't hold that against him either. He was a bad President for other reasons.
What I do know is that this birfer shit helps him more than hurts him. It makes his opponents look like deranged fucking morons. Which they are.
What's it mean to you if it is? If it isn't true then he was born in Kenya, what does that mean to you? The latter of course is not true he was born in Hawaii.
I don't think it much matters 30 years later. Even if he wasn't forthcoming with the truth, we all do dumb things as kids, and I wouldn't particularly hold it against him. Bush did cocaine when he was younger. I didn't hold that against him either. He was a bad President for other reasons.
What I do know is that this birfer shit helps him more than hurts him. It makes his opponents look like deranged fucking morons. Which they are.
actually it may be a wash. The apologists for Obama's obvious and very provable lying look like low information lemmings. The apologists are protecting Obama no matter what, cause that is what you are doing.
Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans — but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obama’s Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
But there's an inconvenient truth liberals are going to have to confront: The Birthers began not on the right, but on the left.
Strange that.
I don't think it much matters 30 years later. Even if he wasn't forthcoming with the truth, we all do dumb things as kids, and I wouldn't particularly hold it against him. Bush did cocaine when he was younger. I didn't hold that against him either. He was a bad President for other reasons.
What I do know is that this birfer shit helps him more than hurts him. It makes his opponents look like deranged fucking morons. Which they are.
actually it may be a wash. The apologists for Obama's obvious and very provable lying look like low information lemmings. The apologists are protecting Obama no matter what, cause that is what you are doing.
It's not a wash. Obama has been a poor President IMO. But these dumbasses make the alternatives look worse.
Can you imagine a Democrat Presidential candidate making "Bush was behind 9/11" their central campaign plank?" That's what Trump did with this birfer idiocy. You might say "It's just Trump." If he had been polling 2%, that might be valid, but he was polling 20% and #2 behind Romney before dropping out. This part of the base has gone Full Retard and it hurts the GOP.
CaféAuLait;6612121 said:Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
Yeah, I thought so too, that is why I posted that link along with this one from The Daily Beast written by John Avalon The 'Birthers' Began on the Left - The Daily Beast , which also states that the democrats started the birther mess.
In that article he speaks of his book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America but the author of that story John Avalon also says this:
But there's an inconvenient truth liberals are going to have to confront: The Birthers began not on the right, but on the left.
However I was called a liar by Jake for linking to such.
Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
CaféAuLait;6612121 said:Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
Yeah, I thought so too, that is why I posted that link along with this one from The Daily Beast written by John Avalon The 'Birthers' Began on the Left - The Daily Beast , which also states that the democrats started the birther mess.
In that article he speaks of his book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America but the author of that story John Avalon also says this:
But there's an inconvenient truth liberals are going to have to confront: The Birthers began not on the right, but on the left.
However I was called a liar by Jake for linking to such.
Being called a liar because they have nothing to counter with other the insult should be worn as a badge of honor.
Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
CaféAuLait;6612121 said:Yeah, I thought so too, that is why I posted that link along with this one from The Daily Beast written by John Avalon The 'Birthers' Began on the Left - The Daily Beast , which also states that the democrats started the birther mess.
In that article he speaks of his book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America but the author of that story John Avalon also says this:
However I was called a liar by Jake for linking to such.
Being called a liar because they have nothing to counter with other the insult should be worn as a badge of honor.
The lie I am referring to by is quite clear: that Obama is not a citizen. Who cares if HRC started it. The lie being told by the wacks is that I denied HRC started it. But they can go back and give us the post number if they wish.
They are now lying to cover up their lying.
CaféAuLait;6612189 said:Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
So do tell, does such make us liars, to point out lies which were started by the left to dirty someone while playing smear your opponent politics and win and any cost. Smear Obama and have people believe he is foreign born possible terrorist supporter in a turban? That is exactly why HRCs camp started the lie, FEAR of Muslims at the time.
Why is it most on the left do not want to face such a truth? Why is that such a hard fact to swallow? Why can one tell a lie and when others believe it, it makes them the wrong ones?
I think those who started the lie are just as culpable as those who believe it. Such is why I always ask if those who hate birthers also hate the source.
Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obamas Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it.
(I figured an out of country new outlet may seem more impartial)
So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
Do me a favor and do just a little research on this blog site. Go back and see how many threads were started concerning Obama's BC including this one. I will bet that the vast majority are started by the Obama apologists not the other side. The apologists want this to stay around they apprently think that it makes Obama look good by make the other side look bad??? Really is that the extend to making Obama look good is by making everyone else look bad??? Really?
It is clear Obama is the first birther lying about being born in Kenya. He took advantage of his lie, that is dishonesty and he wasn't a "kid" when he did it.
CaféAuLait;6612121 said:Yeah, I thought so too, that is why I posted that link along with this one from The Daily Beast written by John Avalon The 'Birthers' Began on the Left - The Daily Beast , which also states that the democrats started the birther mess.
In that article he speaks of his book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America but the author of that story John Avalon also says this:
However I was called a liar by Jake for linking to such.
Being called a liar because they have nothing to counter with other the insult should be worn as a badge of honor.
The lie I am referring to by is quite clear: that Obama is not a citizen. Who cares if HRC started it. The lie being told by the wacks is that I denied HRC started it. But they can go back and give us the post number if they wish.
They are now lying to cover up their lying.
So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
Do me a favor and do just a little research on this blog site. Go back and see how many threads were started concerning Obama's BC including this one. I will bet that the vast majority are started by the Obama apologists not the other side. The apologists want this to stay around they apprently think that it makes Obama look good by make the other side look bad??? Really is that the extend to making Obama look good is by making everyone else look bad??? Really?
It is clear Obama is the first birther lying about being born in Kenya. He took advantage of his lie, that is dishonesty and he wasn't a "kid" when he did it.
And?
The point is this: birferism hurts the GOP far, far more than it hurts BHO. Birferism contributed to Romney's defeat. You need to shut up about birferism. It hurts the GOP. Got it?
CaféAuLait;6612189 said:So?
By your own admission rightwing zealots took the ball, ran with it and have now turned it into a cottage industry which continues to embarrass today's U.S. Republican Party.
You and Cafe can cite the Clinton campaign starting it all you want, doesn't mean shit at this point.
So do tell, does such make us liars, to point out lies which were started by the left to dirty someone while playing smear your opponent politics and win and any cost. Smear Obama and have people believe he is foreign born possible terrorist supporter in a turban? That is exactly why HRCs camp started the lie, FEAR of Muslims at the time.
Why is it most on the left do not want to face such a truth? Why is that such a hard fact to swallow? Why can one tell a lie and when others believe it, it makes them the wrong ones?
I think those who started the lie are just as culpable as those who believe it. Such is why I always ask if those who hate birthers also hate the source.
It means nothing at this point. Period.
Being called a liar because they have nothing to counter with other the insult should be worn as a badge of honor.
The lie I am referring to by is quite clear: that Obama is not a citizen. Who cares if HRC started it. The lie being told by the wacks is that I denied HRC started it. But they can go back and give us the post number if they wish.
They are now lying to cover up their lying.
Obama himself let the lie stand for at least 12 years. Let him prove it to be a lie in a court of law then it will be over with. I think people have a right to question the qualification of a canidate and by what I read in the article the judge is acting above the law by not allowing the suit to continue. If just ONE case went through the system then that should shut up everyone. But I don't want it to be about where he was born, I want it to be about him lying about it and did he recieve economic gain because he did. That seems like what they did to Nixon.
The lie I am referring to by is quite clear: that Obama is not a citizen. Who cares if HRC started it. The lie being told by the wacks is that I denied HRC started it. But they can go back and give us the post number if they wish.
They are now lying to cover up their lying.
Obama himself let the lie stand for at least 12 years. Let him prove it to be a lie in a court of law then it will be over with. I think people have a right to question the qualification of a canidate and by what I read in the article the judge is acting above the law by not allowing the suit to continue. If just ONE case went through the system then that should shut up everyone. But I don't want it to be about where he was born, I want it to be about him lying about it and did he recieve economic gain because he did. That seems like what they did to Nixon.
You fail, Freewill and Cafe au Lait. This is not Obama's fault at all, it's now yours. The judges make the decision, not the plaintiffs. You hurt the GOP by doing this, terribly.
