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Should the practice of Islam be banned in Western / civilized nations?

  • Yes

    Votes: 47 61.0%
  • No

    Votes: 28 36.4%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Total voters
    77
First or second generation UK citizens who's parents did not assimilate Western ideals or way of life, and brought their kids up as if they were not even living in the UK. Do you really think there is much difference between them, and those that are born abroad? Many of them have even gone abroad to complete their indoctrination, and some are getting the same on the computer. It is no longer necessary to go there. ISIS will send you encrypted instructions.

And yet 100s of 1000s assimilate quite nicely thank yoyu
And those that don't? They get behind trucks and decide to play "bumper-car the infidel" in the name of Allah.
 
You can't round up innocent people.

Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.

"You can't round up innocent people."

They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.

This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.

Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:

"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
The Nazis had this approach in 30s Germany. Round up groups of people that you dont like.

Somebody unknown puts your name on a list and your life is ruined.

Have you ever read Kafka ?

This is the thing. We are innocent until proven guilty. All of us.

If these characters have done something wrong then lock them up.

This isnt Nazi Germany and you cant take away my rights.
 
Eighth death just reported. A man just pulled from the river. Brings down missing number to 2, I believe.
 
You can't round up innocent people.

Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.

"You can't round up innocent people."

They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.

This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.

Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:

"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
The Nazis had this approach in 30s Germany. Round up groups of people that you dont like.

Somebody unknown puts your name on a list and your life is ruined.

Have you ever read Kafka ?

This is the thing. We are innocent until proven guilty. All of us.

If these characters have done something wrong then lock them up.

This Isnt Nazi Germany and you cant take away my rights.
No, we aren't Nazi Germany, and unless you are an Islamic extremist - your rights will remain intact. And It's nothing like rounding up people 'you don't like' - as you well know and despite your hyperbole. Quit spinning.

It's about rounding up known jihadis who have been fighting and trying to kill our forces abroad. They are called TRAITORS and it is beyond absurd that the are freely wandering our streets.
There are believed to be at least a thousand of them in the UK - 400 of them in London alone, as well as the thousands of known extremists - who are busy brainwashing and recruiting new extremists daily under our very noses - and whom we do not want to wait upon until they actually blow our children into little pieces.

I realise that Terrorism and the terrible deaths and maiming that ensue are unimportant to someone who lives in a backwater and who becomes alarmed if they see a police car with its siren going, but for those of us who live in the targeted cities, it IS a big deal and PREVENTION is what is required now - not reacting to each and every attack and dead child with kumbaya and candles. Enough really is ENOUGH.

You lefties have fought against and hamstrung all efforts at dealing with extremism - you seem to WANT to wait until they blow us up.
When they do that, they invariably kill themsleves AND inspire others to do the same. There is no justice in this. You cannot seek justice against dead jihadis.

So you can thank yourselves for bringing us to this place - with your handwringing about the rights of extremists at the expense of the right to life of children and the innocent, and your simultaneous demands for open boarders in order to let all and sundry into our country - even 'child refugees' who are clearly 30 year old men! I really hope your nonsnense has had its day.

Things have clearly changed now too, in that the security services are less likely to be able to intercept and stop attacks that require no planning whatsoever on the part of the Islamist scum - beyond hiring a van and grabbing the kitchen knives. You and your ilk want to wait until they do that, the rest of us want to STOP THEM.

If it helps, you can think of this as an intervention similar to that which stops the suicidal from killing themsleves. You know this happens daily and that it's perfectly legal, right? And, as an added bonus, we will be saving the lives of the innocent children and adults the Islamist pigs insist on taking with them - for the glory of Allah. Oh, and we can also attempt to deradicalise them at the same time. Win Win.

There are, btw, many countries that lock up their extremists in compounds and utilise programmes to deradicalise and rehabilitate them - conducted by Imams and psychiatrists etc. The West - the UK included - is watching with interest. These nations are fed up waiting for the Islamist scum to kill their children and are taking proactive preventative steps - just as we should be doing.

So, where are we? Ah yes: you lefties insist Prevent doesn't work; you lefties whine about control orders; you lefties cry into your hankies when it is suggested we simply STOP importing more Muslims from war torn crap holes; you lefties whine about 14 and 28 day holding orders - necessary when complicated terrorist plots require unravelling; you lefties cry into your cornflakes when it is suggested illegals or failed asylum seekers be deported (when they are muslim); you lefties break your little hearts when monitoring mosques is suggested; you lefties refer to every type of intervention as ISLAMOPHOBIC and SPYING (further emboldening and aiding and abetting the extremists). So here is what we are left with - getting them off the streets BEFORE they kill any more 8 year old girls and innocent people.
Hope you're happy because it's you and those like you who have brought us to this desperate place. Congrats :clap2:
 
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You can't round up innocent people.

Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.

"You can't round up innocent people."

They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.

This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.

Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:

"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
The Nazis had this approach in 30s Germany. Round up groups of people that you dont like.

Somebody unknown puts your name on a list and your life is ruined.

Have you ever read Kafka ?

This is the thing. We are innocent until proven guilty. All of us.

If these characters have done something wrong then lock them up.

This isnt Nazi Germany and you cant take away my rights.
I assume you prefer it to be like Afghanistan or any of the many failed Islamic terrorist states where you can't step outside of your house and go anywhere that groups of people gather, without being concerned for your well being. Thanks to your fantastic leaders, that's where Europe is heading.
 
See the terrorists don't get to approve of how we get rid of them. Already got the libbies shilling on their behalf anyway
No "student" leave Paris , London or Dc for 2 months to further their studies in Syria or Afghanistan
You go there- you stay there. Start with that
 
Unbelievable.

"...It is all very well calling for more officers, but even the ones we have are prevented from working effectively by their bosses complicit in the silencing of the truth.

I received this information from a serving police officer in confidence.

'I work in Birmingham City Centre. Birmingham Central Mosque is a no go area for West Midlands Police officers. We are told by the management and senior officers that we are not to go there and certainly not, under any circumstances, to go in. This is not for our safety but because of an agreement with the Mosque and the West Midlands Police HQ.

Only two officers - both who had to be approved and agreed by the Inman / Mosque are allowed to go to the Mosque.


All officers think this is a disgrace. They clearly do not want us there to witness the many clerics and speakers spreading hate.'

Do you see the trouble we are in?..."



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Hate preacher ‘who influenced London Bridge terrorist’ flees home just days after attack
A HATE preacher whose videos were watched by one of the London Bridge terror attackers has fled his home in America.
By ALIX CULBERTSON
PUBLISHED: 18:19, Wed, Jun 7, 2017 | UPDATED: 18:56, Wed, Jun 7, 2017


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Videos by Ahmad Musa Jibril (l) influenced London terrorist Kuram Butt
Ahmad Musa Jibril left his home in Dearborn, Michigan, so quickly he left his sandals on the deck.

His sister and mother, who live nearby, have also gone into hiding, the MailOnline reported.

Videos posted by Jibril online, in which he preached radical Islam, are believed to have helped inspire Khuram Butt, one of the three jihadis who killed eight people and injured 48 in London Bridge and Borough Market....

Hate preacher ‘who influenced London Bridge terrorist’ flees home just days after attack
 
From my link, the guardian, seems rather odd-

Specialist officers are at the scene along with ambulance and fire service vehicles and cordons have been put in place.

The Metropolitan police said the vehicles were not suspicious and the roads would be reopening soon. Residents had been told to stay indoors and the car park of the nearby Waitrose supermarket was also closed.
 
Thank you. I wondered what was going on with him.
Hate preacher ‘who influenced London Bridge terrorist’ flees home just days after attack
A HATE preacher whose videos were watched by one of the London Bridge terror attackers has fled his home in America.
By ALIX CULBERTSON
PUBLISHED: 18:19, Wed, Jun 7, 2017 | UPDATED: 18:56, Wed, Jun 7, 2017


Musa-Jibril-814309.jpg
Getty

Videos by Ahmad Musa Jibril (l) influenced London terrorist Kuram Butt
Ahmad Musa Jibril left his home in Dearborn, Michigan, so quickly he left his sandals on the deck.

His sister and mother, who live nearby, have also gone into hiding, the MailOnline reported.

Videos posted by Jibril online, in which he preached radical Islam, are believed to have helped inspire Khuram Butt, one of the three jihadis who killed eight people and injured 48 in London Bridge and Borough Market....

Hate preacher ‘who influenced London Bridge terrorist’ flees home just days after attack
 
30% of all mosques in the USA spread murder and hatred
If you don't think so ask a 25-35 year old Muslim in a metro area who actually likes his or her life. They will answer you honestly
In fact some see the writing on the wall so clearly that they are involved with large housing construction projects in Canada as they believe the despicable actions of their breathren will soon make life intolerable in the USA
The libbie Myzzies defenders will decry this and they will never do their own research because CNN does not report such a thing
 
i dont care what your religion is, if you defend Muslims, GFY. see how inclusive i am?

I defend the practice of Islam overseas as they see fit to do and in my country, when it's not associated with the tacit or overt support of groups that have PLEDGED to kill us. Islam has not done that. Know your enemies.

Ask the Jews. They dislike Arabs a lot. Have no issue with practicing Islam. And Jews should know a thing or two about being scapegoated and slimed. Not many there gonna call for "banning Islam" or "chucking them all out of America"..

Waiting for the anti-semite skinheads to agree with me so they can "blame the Jews" for Muslim extremists.. :badgrin: Some dork will do that EVERY WEEK on USMB.
 
You stop the terror by going after the terrorists, not by going after Trump. Europe doesn't get it.

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