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I agree. They're not talking about rounding up ALL Muslims, the way our Democrat president rounded up all Japanese in America.The choices are simple either Britain allows 3,000 plus fundamental and extreme dangers to life itself walk among it's population, who at any given moment could create more horror or Britain considers that the population of Britain must be protected at all costs and by any means.
You cannot say, well this is all terrible but we can't round people up because what about their human rights?
You can either have carnage on a weekly basis, which is where this is heading, perhaps even on a daily basis or you can say that some people deserve minimal human rights because their threat exceeds all other considerations.
You cannot have both universal human rights and the strongest protection from lethal situations at the same time.
This morning on ITV Khan admitted they aren't even monitoring 400 of the known jihadis who went to fight in Syria against our own troops and returned (to London). It's utterly sickening and absurd. So yes, rounding up the known extremists before they slaughter us is where we're at, it seems.Yes, I just read the article you posted the other day by the ex met chief who is also a Muslim. It seems this idea has been discussed because they simply cannot watch the 3000 extremists let alone have any hope of monitoring the other 20+ thousand. How many times will we just simply wait until they slaughter us? Right to life must trump other considerations. We absolutley cannot be expected to put up with 8 year old children being bombed to bits.Khan calls moderate muslims Uncle Toms, banned bikini adverts on public transport (sharia creep?) and has shared a platform with many extremists over the years. A little bit worrying, imho.You are such a hypocrite. I see Sadiq khan getting so much shit from you knobs on here and he is the definition of assimilated. You dont give a fuck where they came from or what they believe. You just see MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!First or second generation UK citizens who's parents did not assimilate Western ideals or way of life, and brought their kids up as if they were not even living in the UK. Do you really think there is much difference between them, and those that are born abroad? Many of them have even gone abroad to complete their indoctrination, and some are getting the same on the computer. It is no longer necessary to go there. ISIS will send you encrypted instructions.
The only solution is going to be internment camps and many are pretty sure this is whats in Theresa May's mind considering she's now talking about changing human rights laws to fit the circumstances.
I was talking yesterday with a friend of mine who is a Barrister at Gray's Inn.
Gray's Inn - Wikipedia
Gray's Inn
So he says that Theresa May is well within her rights now to do the below:
What she does is invoke Article 15 of the Convention on Human Rights, this is the Derogation Clause.
Derogation in Time of War or Other Public Emergency:
"In time of war or other public emergency threatening the life of the nation any High Contracting Party may take measures derogating from its obligations under [the] Convention to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation,"
Here's the link, it's a pdf and a long document, but the above I highlighted is essentially the specific section that is applicable to the British situation at hand with the 3,000 Radical Extremists aka Killer Kebabs waiting to blow up.
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Guide_Art_15_ENG.pdf
It's obvious that it's humanly impossible to keep track 24/7 of 3,000 plus people, so they will have to be all rounded up and put into internment camps because you have to say that yes they do threaten the life of the British nation and the British people.
The British Government then either withdraws from or changes human rights laws to exempt the British Government from adhering to any Outside Interference ie. Open Borders Leftist Pro-Islamist Cheerleaders who'll run like Traitors to the European Court of Human Rights to attempt to free all their Radical Islamist pets so they can keep slaughtering people at random on the streets.
The choices are simple either Britain allows 3,000 plus fundamental and extreme dangers to life itself walk among it's population, who at any given moment could create more horror or Britain considers that the population of Britain must be protected at all costs and by any means.
You cannot say, well this is all terrible but we can't round people up because what about their human rights?
You can either have carnage on a weekly basis, which is where this is heading, perhaps even on a daily basis or you can say that some people deserve minimal human rights because their threat exceeds all other considerations.
You cannot have both universal human rights and the strongest protection from lethal situations at the same time.
You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
You need to understand that it's the target that controls whether you are a terrorist or not. If you target non-military targets for the sole purpose of scaring people you are a terrorist. If you target military combatants then you are not a terrorist.It would be nice to have wpns that seeked bad guys and only killed them, BUT REALITY DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY! You can't blame us for civilian deaths when the enemy uses them as shields.If the current trend in Islamic terror attacks continues, candlelit vigils will soon be the number one cause of global warming.
Surely it will be US military planes going off to bomb some little children
Yeah, you can't blame the US for start wars to get cheaper oil and then wanting to bomb those that seek to defend their land against US invasions and bombings when civilians get killed, no, not at all.
Just like you can't blame terrorists in London, Paris, Manchester, Brussels, when civilians get killed, they were just getting in the way of their bombs and knives. Yeah, not their fault at all.
Exactly. They aren't on a watch list for nothing. There are so many that should be and aren't watched, that the ones on it must be considered a real threat. We can't keep waiting till they blow us up, cut our throats and murder our children.You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
Maybe president Hussein the Leftie messiah actually fucked up the world by pulling out prematurely from Iraq therefore creating a vacuum for ISIS to step in, and then stood by while ISIS the JV team grew in Syria, while Assad was / is committing genocide and gassing his own people, to the tune of 400,000 dead, and 3 million refugees pouring into Europe.
Yup, FANTASTIC job, fantastic presidency of Hussein Obama. That's why Hillary ran on his record as an incumbent and got her ass kicked!
First or second generation UK citizens who's parents did not assimilate Western ideals or way of life, and brought their kids up as if they were not even living in the UK. Do you really think there is much difference between them, and those that are born abroad? Many of them have even gone abroad to complete their indoctrination, and some are getting the same on the computer. It is no longer necessary to go there. ISIS will send you encrypted instructions.
You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
We "rounded up" people in broad sweeps when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and put them in Gitmo. We also sent people to foreign countries for torture. Subsequently, it was discovered a good many of them were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time after being detained for years. And they weren't even our own citizens. What we did to our own citizens - we did the Americans of Japanese descent. Forced them into internment camps.
It's not "weak knees" to point out that it is a tragedy for those people.
Iraq was warned not to let them out......................You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
We "rounded up" people in broad sweeps when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and put them in Gitmo. We also sent people to foreign countries for torture. Subsequently, it was discovered a good many of them were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time after being detained for years. And they weren't even our own citizens. What we did to our own citizens - we did the Americans of Japanese descent. Forced them into internment camps.
It's not "weak knees" to point out that it is a tragedy for those people.
Rather than rounding people up on suspicion, why not make certain associations criminal as in possessing child porn? Making Jihadi movies? Having an ISIS flag. Having ISIS propoganda in your possession?
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You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
We "rounded up" people in broad sweeps when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and put them in Gitmo. We also sent people to foreign countries for torture. Subsequently, it was discovered a good many of them were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time after being detained for years. And they weren't even our own citizens. What we did to our own citizens - we did the Americans of Japanese descent. Forced them into internment camps.
It's not "weak knees" to point out that it is a tragedy for those people.
Darling let me repeat.
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
The problem with internment camps is how long are you going to hold them without charge if they've done nothing criminal? Forever? And under what conditions can they eventually be released? Any? And then what?
This is an interesting approach: The Saudi Deradicalization Experiment
Rather than rounding people up on suspicion, why not make certain associations criminal as in possessing child porn? Making Jihadi movies? Having an ISIS flag. Having ISIS propoganda in your possession?
"Rather than rounding people up on suspicion, why not make certain associations criminal as in possessing child porn? Making Jihadi movies? Having an ISIS flag. Having ISIS propoganda in your possession?
How is any of that going to stop 3,000 Radical Islamic Extremists who are on Counter Terrorism's Watch List from planning and committing further atrocities and suicide operations?
They are walking around NOW, they are ticking time bombs NOW, the authorities cannot keep track 24/7 of ALL of them NOW, the threat is NOW and time is running out NOW.
The problem with internment camps is how long are you going to hold them without charge if they've done nothing criminal? Forever? And under what conditions can they eventually be released? Any? And then what?
This is an interesting approach: The Saudi Deradicalization Experiment
They can and will be held indefinately without charge until such a time they are deemed a non-threat to the population of Britain's immediate safety.
See Northern Ireland Internment for sort of an example.
You can't round up innocent people.
Too many times that has ended up in tragedy.
"You can't round up innocent people."
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
This is where this is now heading, people are comfortable talking about internment camps in public, that's step one the taboo has been broken and it's a very short step to step two, rounding the menaces up and putting them into those internment camps.
Sorry it's getting beyond the point where the weak knees throw up things like:
"Too many times that has ended up in tragedy."
We "rounded up" people in broad sweeps when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and put them in Gitmo. We also sent people to foreign countries for torture. Subsequently, it was discovered a good many of them were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time after being detained for years. And they weren't even our own citizens. What we did to our own citizens - we did the Americans of Japanese descent. Forced them into internment camps.
It's not "weak knees" to point out that it is a tragedy for those people.
Darling let me repeat.
They are NOT INNOCENT, if they WERE innocent they wouldn't be on Counter Terrorism's Watch List.
I am guessing people can be on watch lists for any number of reasons - from just having having associates to more significant reasons - so not necessarily guilty.
