BREAKING: United States attacks Syria

[elvis]

We've already been over this. My entire point was predicated on us being energy independent. So, you and I agree - the only reason we have a massive military, and a global network of bases in because of oil. Not because of "trade".

We wean oursleves off of oil, and the neccessity of a massive global military network is diminished.

Again, are you willing to drill in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge, the Great Lakes, the Rocky Mountains and other places the democrats are unwilling to drill?

 

[elvis]

We've already been over this. My entire point was predicated on us being energy independent. So, you and I agree - the only reason we have a massive military, and a global network of bases in because of oil. Not because of "trade".

We wean oursleves off of oil, and the neccessity of a massive global military network is diminished.

ok, i consider oil part of trade. It is a commodity the saudis "trade" with us.

 

[dilloduck]

No...you wouldn't.

Last I checked our oil dependence was part of the PROBLEM with our economy??? And we give them money so they can give it to madrassas and fund hijackers who fly planes into buildings.

But they're not jews, so it's cool, right?

no--another pitiful attempt to paint me as a Jew hater.

Our oil dependency is ONLY a problem because of who controls most of it. Are you suggesting that we can buy oil AND tell them how to spend it ? Read bin laden's declaration of war and tell me again why those who attacked us, HATE us.

 

[jillian]

Again, are you willing to drill in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge, the Great Lakes, the Rocky Mountains and other places the democrats are unwilling to drill?

1. No oil for 10 years.
2. Not enough to make any difference.
3. Only oil enough for a very very brief period of time.
4. Unless you wnt to nationalize the oil, it will be sold on the international market and we still won't have the oil.

So tell me how drilling solves our problem and our need for alternative energies, please. If drilling were the real issue, oil companies would drill the leases they already have.

 

[elvis]

1. No oil for 10 years.
2. Not enough to make any difference.
3. Only oil enough for a very very brief period of time.
4. Unless you wnt to nationalize the oil, it will be sold on the international market and we still won't have the oil.

So tell me how drilling solves our problem and our need for alternative energies, please. If drilling were the real issue, oil companies would drill the leases they already have.

Nationalize the oil? you mean instead of having to buy oil from the Middle East? sounds good. I find it hard to believe it would take 10 years to get the oil from Alaska.

 

[Gunny]

Witnesses: US helicopters attack Syrian village

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) - Syria's state-run television and witnesses say U.S. military helicopters have attacked an area along the country's border with Iraq, causing casualties. The report quoted unnamed Syrian officials and said the area is near the Syrian border town of Abu Kamal. It gave no other details on Sunday's attack.
Local residents told The Associated Press by telephone that two helicopters carrying U.S. soldiers raided the village of Hwijeh, 10 miles inside Syria's border, killing seven people and wounding five.
The U.S. military in Baghdad had no immediate comment.

If they're harboring terrorists, good. Light their asses up.

 

[Red Dawn]

ok, i consider oil part of trade. It is a commodity the saudis "trade" with us.

Well, I'm trying to juggle you and some other conservatives.

I agree, with you. My whole point was that our huge military industrial complex is primarily neccessitated on a global network of miltary bases to protect energy resources.

My point was that in becoming energy independent, we shouldn't need that scale of a massive global military presence.

Dilloduck was the one that said we needed a massive military for "trade" even if we were energy independent. That didn't make a damn bit of sense, because trade of manufactured goods, agricultural products, and electronics is not accomplished through force of arms. Its not a scarce resource commodity, like oil.

 

[jillian]

Nationalize the oil? you mean instead of having to buy oil from the Middle East? sounds good. I find it hard to believe it would take 10 years to get the oil from Alaska.

I didn't know you were a socialist.

And yes, according to the government report on the subject, negligible amount of oil; no net change in price or energy independence; and 10 years til we get any.

Here's the report. And if you're wondering, it was requested by Sen. Stevens. not exactly an environmentalist.

EIA - Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Introduction

And again, oil companies should first have to use their own oil leases before they get to touch ANWR. But they won't. Why? Because this is just another way to enrich the oil companies and has nothing to do with independence from mid-east oil.

 

[Gunny]

I didn't know you were a socilaist.

And yes, according to the government report on the subject, negligible amount of oil; no net change in price or energy independence; and 10 years til we get any.

Here's the report. And if you're wondering, it was requested by Sen. Stevens. not exactly an environmentalist.

EIA - Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Introduction

And again, oil companies should first have to use their own oil leases before they get to touch ANWR. But they won't. Why? Because this is just another way to enrich the oil companies and has nothing to do with independence from mid-east oil.

I thought this thread was about blowing up Syrians?

 

[Red Dawn]

Are you willing to drill for oil in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge, the Rocky Mountains, the Great Lakes, and other places the democrats refuse to drill in?

To me, its a case by case basis. The way you phrased the question makes it impossible for me to give a blanket black or white answer.

I don't care if the oil companies want to drill offshore. They're not going to find that much, not enough to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. And I would balance it against states rights. Some states have to balance their tourism based economies against the prospect and risk of oil drilling.

ANWAR is a gimmick. There's not enough oil there to make any significant difference, and I think its just a political football to try to make a point about drilling on federal park land.

The only way we're really going to be energy independent is with conservation and alternative fuels. I don't mind a some offshore drilling and some nuclear, but that shit ain't gonna get it done.

 

[jillian]

I thought this thread was about blowing up Syrians?

The thread seemed to have drifted.

I thought when Israel tried to get rid of Hezbollah there, everyone got mad at them.

 

[dilloduck]

Well, I'm trying to juggle you and some other conservatives.

I agree, with you. My whole point was that our huge military industrial complex is primarily neccessitated on a global network of miltary bases to protect energy resources.

My point was that in becoming energy independent, we shouldn't need that scale of a massive global military presence.

Dilloduck was the one that said we needed a massive military for "trade" even if we were energy independent. That didn't make a damn bit of sense, because trade of manufactured goods, agricultural products, and electronics is not accomplished through force of arms. Its not a scarce resource commodity, like oil.

Oil trade wasn't accomplished through force of arms until those who have it decided we weren't their best friends and also found brand new markets to sell it to.
Cool--make everyone energy indepedent--I bet the world can find something else to fight over next. Fresh water ? Food ? I'm hoping you don't think oil is the only commodity that makes our country go around.

 

[dilloduck]

The thread seemed to have drifted.

I thought when Israel tried to get rid of Hezbollah there, everyone got mad at them.

You also never answered me--why does Al-quaeda hate us. It's all there in black and white in their declaration of war and it DOESN'T say that hate us for our freedoms.

 

[elvis]

You also never answered me--why does Al-quaeda hate us. It's all there in black and white in their declaration of war and it DOESN'T say that hate us for our freedoms.

bin laden became an enemy of the US after we broke our word and left troops in Saudi Arabia after Gulf War I.

 

[jillian]

You also never answered me--why does Al-quaeda hate us. It's all there in black and white in their declaration of war and it DOESN'T say that hate us for our freedoms.

See post 94...sorry, it's just one of your excuses for your hatred.

 

[dilloduck]

See post 94...sorry, it's just one of your excuses for your hatred.

sorry--I dont understand this hate code you use.

 

[dilloduck]

bin laden became an enemy of the US after we broke our word and left troops in Saudi Arabia after Gulf War I.

and why in the hell were they blowing us up before that ?

 

[elvis]

I didn't know you were a socialist.

And yes, according to the government report on the subject, negligible amount of oil; no net change in price or energy independence; and 10 years til we get any.

Here's the report. And if you're wondering, it was requested by Sen. Stevens. not exactly an environmentalist.

EIA - Analysis of Crude Oil Production in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Introduction

And again, oil companies should first have to use their own oil leases before they get to touch ANWR. But they won't. Why? Because this is just another way to enrich the oil companies and has nothing to do with independence from mid-east oil.

here, this might be good news, but we MUST drill.
Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x

I'm not really a socialist. It would be nice if all the oil went to America instead of other countries.

 

[elvis]

and why in the hell were they blowing us up before that ?

bin laden started going after American interests following Gulf War I. I am not aware of attacks by bin laden prior to Gulf War I.

 

[Sunni Man]

Iran is Shi-ite. So is Syria.

Your statement is incorrect as usual.

Syria is Not Shia.

According to the CIA World Factbook.

Syria is 74% Sunni

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook.