BREAKING: Mitt Romney Urged Obama to Embrace the Individual Mandate

[Vidi]

If they are both evil as everyone seems to claim, then isnt the lesser of the two evils preferable?

Isnt the one who actually pretends to be for the working man, better than the one who outright tells you hes going to tax you more and tax those who have more less?

According to the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, “Believe in America,” Romney’s economic blueprint, would impose fresh burdens on the poor, cutting anti-poverty programs while simultaneously depriving lawmakers of the money to repair the holes. As for the middle class, it is hard to argue that it is a primary “focus,” at least if you follow the money in the candidate’s plan.

A few examples. Romney would end tax credits for higher education, the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and other provisions enacted in 2009 to counter the recession. While taxes for many poor people would rise, taxes on the middle class would generally decline somewhat and taxes on the wealthiest would decline substantially. Romney would repeal health insurance for the working poor, repeal the estate tax and permanently extend the Bush tax cuts. The Tax Policy Center calculates that in 2015 Romney’s plan would generate an average break of $865,637 to the top 0.1 percent of taxpayers.

Cheap Shots at Romney

One omission from Romney’s plan would raise taxes compared with what people pay this year: not extending the remaining tax cuts created by the 2009 stimulus bill and scheduled to expire at the end of 2012. Because those cuts were initially intended to be temporary, the Romney campaign argues that not extending them wouldn’t be a tax increase. The same logic could apply to the 2001-2003 tax cuts but I don’t hear anyone claiming that letting them lapse wouldn’t count as boosting taxes. In any case, not extending the 2009 tax cuts still in effect in 2012 means that Romney’s plan would, on average, raise taxes for households in the bottom two quintiles, relative to what they’re paying this year.

Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes, by about $180 billion in 2015 alone, relative to current tax policy. And, despite all arguments to the contrary, a disproportionate share of the savings would go to households with the highest incomes.

Romney's tax plan really does favor the rich - CSMonitor.com

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 would get small tax cuts, averaging 2.2 percent, or about $250, the study said. People making more than $1 million would get tax cuts averaging 15 percent, or about $146,000.

Study: Romney plan raises taxes on poor families - Yahoo! News

We keep giving the so called job creators tax cuts... where are those jobs?

maybe doing the exact same thing and expecting different results isnt the way to go anymore?

 

[dblack]

If they are both evil as everyone seems to claim, then isnt the lesser of the two evils preferable?

No, no - a thousand times no. To vote for someone you think is 'evil' is to betray your country, your family, yourself. This pitch is a con and those of us buying it are destroying our nation.

Isnt the one who actually pretends to be for the working man, better than the one who outright tells you hes going to tax you more and tax those who have more less?

No. He's no better than the one who pretends to be for smaller government and economic freedom. They're both full of shit.

From now until the election each side will spend quite a bit of time trying to scare you into accepting the lesser-of-two-evils con. Will you buy it again?

... maybe doing the exact same thing and expecting different results isnt the way to go anymore?

Exactly.

 

[JoeB131]

So instead you bend over, drop your drawers and beg Obama to screw you?

There is no significant difference between Romney and Obama when it comes to screwing us over. That's what I have been trying to say all along. Obama isn't one of us. He's just like Romney and Kerry and he'll screw you over faster than you can say "Sally sells shells by the seashore", once let alone five times.

Immie

Yes, you've been saying that there's no difference and they are all crooks and all the other trite cliches on your way to show up at a Tea Party rally with a misspelled sign.

I don't think Obama's been an effective president, but Romney is outright fucking evil. And a Mormon. But I repeat myself.

Why don't you just come out and tell the truth that you worship at the altar of Obama?

BTW: Never been to a Tea Party Rally, had no intention of going and still have no intention of showing up should they reform. How was the Occupy sit-in? Have you gotten rid of the fleas yet?

Immie

Never been to one, so I couldn't tell you.

I'd have been happy to vote for the GOP nominee who wasn't Mitt Romney. Once the GOP nominated him, (or when they do), you all kind of left me with no choice.

Romney is a combination of every asshole boss who lied to me and the creepy Mormon Cadets I met in college.

So for the first time in my life, I'll vote for a Democrat. This isn't political for me at all. It's personal.

 

[Immanuel]

If they are both evil as everyone seems to claim, then isnt the lesser of the two evils preferable?

Isnt the one who actually pretends to be for the working man, better than the one who outright tells you hes going to tax you more and tax those who have more less?

According to the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, “Believe in America,” Romney’s economic blueprint, would impose fresh burdens on the poor, cutting anti-poverty programs while simultaneously depriving lawmakers of the money to repair the holes. As for the middle class, it is hard to argue that it is a primary “focus,” at least if you follow the money in the candidate’s plan.

A few examples. Romney would end tax credits for higher education, the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and other provisions enacted in 2009 to counter the recession. While taxes for many poor people would rise, taxes on the middle class would generally decline somewhat and taxes on the wealthiest would decline substantially. Romney would repeal health insurance for the working poor, repeal the estate tax and permanently extend the Bush tax cuts. The Tax Policy Center calculates that in 2015 Romney’s plan would generate an average break of $865,637 to the top 0.1 percent of taxpayers.

Cheap Shots at Romney

One omission from Romney’s plan would raise taxes compared with what people pay this year: not extending the remaining tax cuts created by the 2009 stimulus bill and scheduled to expire at the end of 2012. Because those cuts were initially intended to be temporary, the Romney campaign argues that not extending them wouldn’t be a tax increase. The same logic could apply to the 2001-2003 tax cuts but I don’t hear anyone claiming that letting them lapse wouldn’t count as boosting taxes. In any case, not extending the 2009 tax cuts still in effect in 2012 means that Romney’s plan would, on average, raise taxes for households in the bottom two quintiles, relative to what they’re paying this year.

Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes, by about $180 billion in 2015 alone, relative to current tax policy. And, despite all arguments to the contrary, a disproportionate share of the savings would go to households with the highest incomes.

Romney's tax plan really does favor the rich - CSMonitor.com

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 would get small tax cuts, averaging 2.2 percent, or about $250, the study said. People making more than $1 million would get tax cuts averaging 15 percent, or about $146,000.

Study: Romney plan raises taxes on poor families - Yahoo! News

We keep giving the so called job creators tax cuts... where are those jobs?

maybe doing the exact same thing and expecting different results isnt the way to go anymore?

Why would the "lesser of two evils" be better? Who defines the "lesser of two evils"? If you vote for the "lesser of two evils" the one thing that is certain is that you will elect evil.

I personally don't think either one of them are necessarily "evil". I just don't agree with them. I don't like Romney at all. I could see myself sitting at the bar with Obama and having a beer with him, but I don't like his politics at all.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

If they are both evil as everyone seems to claim, then isnt the lesser of the two evils preferable?

No, no - a thousand times no. To vote for someone you think is 'evil' is to betray your country, your family, yourself. This pitch is a con and those of us buying it are destroying our nation.

Isnt the one who actually pretends to be for the working man, better than the one who outright tells you hes going to tax you more and tax those who have more less?

No. He's no better than the one who pretends to be for smaller government and economic freedom. They're both full of shit.

From now until the election each side will spend quite a bit of time trying to scare you into accepting the lesser-of-two-evils con. Will you buy it again?

... maybe doing the exact same thing and expecting different results isnt the way to go anymore?

Exactly.

Sorry, need to spread some rep.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Yes, you've been saying that there's no difference and they are all crooks and all the other trite cliches on your way to show up at a Tea Party rally with a misspelled sign.

I don't think Obama's been an effective president, but Romney is outright fucking evil. And a Mormon. But I repeat myself.

Why don't you just come out and tell the truth that you worship at the altar of Obama?

BTW: Never been to a Tea Party Rally, had no intention of going and still have no intention of showing up should they reform. How was the Occupy sit-in? Have you gotten rid of the fleas yet?

Immie

Never been to one, so I couldn't tell you.

I'd have been happy to vote for the GOP nominee who wasn't Mitt Romney. Once the GOP nominated him, (or when they do), you all kind of left me with no choice.

Romney is a combination of every asshole boss who lied to me and the creepy Mormon Cadets I met in college.

So for the first time in my life, I'll vote for a Democrat. This isn't political for me at all. It's personal.

You really are not all there, are you?

Why do you keep saying "you all"? Is it not as obvious that I am as disgusted with the Republicans as you seem to be at kneeling at the Obama altar?

I would agree with you about Romney regarding the every asshole boss. However, I think you are an example of a bigot. How many times now have you mentioned the fact that he is a Mormon? You are ranking close to the number of anti-religious posts as Cammmpbell. Do you hate everyone of faith? Do you wear your bigotry on your sleeve IRL?

And before you say it, I am not Mormon. I am, however, anti-bigots and anti-socialists.

Immie

 

[JoeB131]

You really are not all there, are you?

Why do you keep saying "you all"? Is it not as obvious that I am as disgusted with the Republicans as you seem to be at kneeling at the Obama altar?

The only think obvious to me is that you have anger issues. You'd think the ATF was stopping by your house every day the way you carrry on about the Gummit!

I would agree with you about Romney regarding the every asshole boss. However, I think you are an example of a bigot. How many times now have you mentioned the fact that he is a Mormon? You are ranking close to the number of anti-religious posts as Cammmpbell. Do you hate everyone of faith? Do you wear your bigotry on your sleeve IRL?

And before you say it, I am not Mormon. I am, however, anti-bigots and anti-socialists.

Immie

Well, that's the thing. You don't believe in Hebrew Submarines and Magic Underwear anymore than I do. But we wouldn't want to be politically incorrect by saying that's silly or stupid. So what you are admitting is that you are a whipped dog of political correctness.

I have no use for any set of superstitions, even if you call them "religion". You can use dumb words like "Faith", but the reality is, it's just accepting a lot of mythological nonsense because you are afraid of death.

Mormonism has a special place, because the fraud is so obvious. I can't pin down the bullshit artists in Catholicism. Jesus? Paul? Any one of the 300 or so Popes?

The Bullshit artist in Mormonism. Yup. Joseph Smith, a guy who made up a fake religion to scam less smart people out of money and screw little girls. The David Koresh of the 19th century.

 

[Immanuel]

You really are not all there, are you?

Why do you keep saying "you all"? Is it not as obvious that I am as disgusted with the Republicans as you seem to be at kneeling at the Obama altar?

The only think obvious to me is that you have anger issues. You'd think the ATF was stopping by your house every day the way you carrry on about the Gummit!

I would agree with you about Romney regarding the every asshole boss. However, I think you are an example of a bigot. How many times now have you mentioned the fact that he is a Mormon? You are ranking close to the number of anti-religious posts as Cammmpbell. Do you hate everyone of faith? Do you wear your bigotry on your sleeve IRL?

And before you say it, I am not Mormon. I am, however, anti-bigots and anti-socialists.

Immie

Well, that's the thing. You don't believe in Hebrew Submarines and Magic Underwear anymore than I do. But we wouldn't want to be politically incorrect by saying that's silly or stupid. So what you are admitting is that you are a whipped dog of political correctness.

I have no use for any set of superstitions, even if you call them "religion". You can use dumb words like "Faith", but the reality is, it's just accepting a lot of mythological nonsense because you are afraid of death.

Mormonism has a special place, because the fraud is so obvious. I can't pin down the bullshit artists in Catholicism. Jesus? Paul? Any one of the 300 or so Popes?

The Bullshit artist in Mormonism. Yup. Joseph Smith, a guy who made up a fake religion to scam less smart people out of money and screw little girls. The David Koresh of the 19th century.

Bigot. You truly do belong in TM's class.

Immie

 

[JoeB131]

Yawn. You know what, everyone's a religious bigot.

Do you really think Sung Myung Moon is the re-incarnation of Jesus? Nope? BIGOT!

Do you really think Evil Space Lord Xenu left billions of Body Thetans on the Earth to drag us down? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!

Do you think David Koresh was supposed to father the new twelve tribes of Israel, even if he had to have sex with 11 year old girls? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!! How can you show your face in public?

So you've admitted that you'd consider being a Moonie, Scientologist or Branch Davidian a disqualifer, but the Mormon Cult, even though their "faith" is just as whacky (so whacky Romney won't answer questions about it) is just a-okay with you.

 

[Immanuel]

Yawn. You know what, everyone's a religious bigot.

Do you really think Sung Myung Moon is the re-incarnation of Jesus? Nope? BIGOT!

Do you really think Evil Space Lord Xenu left billions of Body Thetans on the Earth to drag us down? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!

Do you think David Koresh was supposed to father the new twelve tribes of Israel, even if he had to have sex with 11 year old girls? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!! How can you show your face in public?

So you've admitted that you'd consider being a Moonie, Scientologist or Branch Davidian a disqualifer, but the Mormon Cult, even though their "faith" is just as whacky (so whacky Romney won't answer questions about it) is just a-okay with you.

You don't have to consider being one in order to treat individuals like they have a right to be human beings, a right to run for President or just the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You have proven yourself to be a hate filled socialist.

Carry on and may your bigotted way of life never succeed here in America.

Dismissed bigot!

Immie

 

[JoeB131]

Yawn. You know what, everyone's a religious bigot.

Do you really think Sung Myung Moon is the re-incarnation of Jesus? Nope? BIGOT!

Do you really think Evil Space Lord Xenu left billions of Body Thetans on the Earth to drag us down? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!

Do you think David Koresh was supposed to father the new twelve tribes of Israel, even if he had to have sex with 11 year old girls? Nope? BIGOT!!!!!! How can you show your face in public?

So you've admitted that you'd consider being a Moonie, Scientologist or Branch Davidian a disqualifer, but the Mormon Cult, even though their "faith" is just as whacky (so whacky Romney won't answer questions about it) is just a-okay with you.

You don't have to consider being one in order to treat individuals like they have a right to be human beings, a right to run for President or just the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You have proven yourself to be a hate filled socialist.

Carry on and may your bigotted way of life never succeed here in America.

Dismissed bigot!

Immie

Guy, you completely avoided the subject, which your sort usually does.

Are you saying that the beliefs of Moonies and Scientologists aren't so crazy that we shouldn't take it into account?

It isn't about "liberty", guy, it's about judgement. There are some beliefs that are so crazy that simply they disqualify from consideration. You'd put the Moonies and Scientologists in that category, and so would I. But I'd throw the Mormons in there, too.

If Romney were proud of his beliefs, he'd be out there talking about them rather than avoiding the subject.

 

[SniperFire]

If Romney were proud of his beliefs, he'd be out there talking about them rather than avoiding the subject.

Romney says something similar to this every day in his speeches:

' "We were endowed by our Creator with our rights. Not the king, not the state, but our Creator.'

He is talking bout his 'beliefs' much more than Odumbass, would you not agree?

 

[JoeB131]

If Romney were proud of his beliefs, he'd be out there talking about them rather than avoiding the subject.

Romney says something similar to this every day in his speeches:

' "We were endowed by our Creator with our rights. Not the king, not the state, but our Creator.'

He is talking bout his 'beliefs' much more than Odumbass, would you not agree?

Nope. Sorry.

I want him to tell us if he's really wearing Magic Underwear and if he really thinks Dark Skin is a curse from God, or if he really thinks he's going to rule a planet in the afterlife.

I want him to explain why as a Mormon Bishop, he threatened to excommunicate a woman who wouldn't give up her child.

 

[SniperFire]

If Romney were proud of his beliefs, he'd be out there talking about them rather than avoiding the subject.

Romney says something similar to this every day in his speeches:

' "We were endowed by our Creator with our rights. Not the king, not the state, but our Creator.'

He is talking bout his 'beliefs' much more than Odumbass, would you not agree?

Nope. Sorry.

I want him to tell us if he's really wearing Magic Underwear

Did you demand such test, like a little bitch, from Harry Reid?

 

[JoeB131]

Romney says something similar to this every day in his speeches:

' "We were endowed by our Creator with our rights. Not the king, not the state, but our Creator.'

He is talking bout his 'beliefs' much more than Odumbass, would you not agree?

Nope. Sorry.

I want him to tell us if he's really wearing Magic Underwear

Did you demand such test, like a little bitch, from Harry Reid?

Harry Reid isn't running for President. But hey, I'd love to drive all the freaking LDS out of office. It ain't partisan thing for me.

 

[SniperFire]

Nope. Sorry.

I want him to tell us if he's really wearing Magic Underwear

Did you demand such test, like a little bitch, from Harry Reid?

Harry Reid isn't running for President.

You meant to say that Harry Reid isn't a Republican.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you demand such test, like a little bitch, from Harry Reid?

Harry Reid isn't running for President.

You meant to say that Harry Reid isn't a Republican.

No, I meant exactly that, he's not running for President.

He's not in a place where I can have any chance of voting him out, in which case I almost certainly would.

Of course, you all could have gotten him out last time, and you put up the crazy person. Nice going.

Usually, I vote Republican. Or at least I did before the inmates took over the asylum.

 

[SniperFire]

Harry Reid isn't running for President.

You meant to say that Harry Reid isn't a Republican.

No, I meant exactly that, he's not running for President.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't know why I ever think you might contribute anything to a conversation, Snipe...

 

[SniperFire]

I don't know why I ever think you might contribute anything to a conversation, Snipe...

Romney speaks daily about his faith, contrary to your post.

The contribution I made was to spank your weak take.