Breaking: Justice Kagan Must Recuse Herself From Upcoming Gay Marriage Hearing

Would Kagan sitting on the 2015 gay-marriage Hearing in SCOTUS destroy your faith in Justice?

  • Yes, absolutely. A US Supreme Court Justice must obey the 2009 Finding to recuse themself.

    Votes: 18 56.3%
  • No, it's OK to preside over a gay wedding and then sit on a case objectively about gay weddings.

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • Total voters
    32
I just don't agree with it because it's wrong. Any phobia, according to Merriam, is fear based other than Homophobia. How do you explain that? Could be an oxymoron, or a made up term, because every other phobia is based in fear or anxiety.


That's false also:

phobia

: an extremely strong dislike or fear of someone or something"​



A strong dislike qualifies as a phobia (according to Merriam-Webster) and need not be fear based, note the use of "OR" in the definition.



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Phobia

Full Definition
:an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Phobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Homophobia doesn't apply to most people because it doesn't even appy to dislike, much less hatred, which you seem to believe.
 
Actually:

Homophobia:
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



A desire to discriminate against homosexuals is also homophobia.


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Same difference....

Very different.

Your definition is based on "hate", when in fact the definition simply calls for a desire to discriminate against. A desire to discriminate need not be born out of "hate".

For example a person may not "hate" homosexuals, but feel - for religious reasons - that they should not be treated the same as heterosexuals under the law. That isn't "hate", but it is a call for discrimination.


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Nope. They may have been able to make Webster's or Merriam's more PC, but the truth is phobia .

The truth is that we use the term 'homophobia' to describe people who are bigots towards homosexuals.

The truth is that the dictionary reflects the accepted common usage of the English language and the truth is that you just don't like that definition.

I just don't agree with it because it's wrong. Any phobia, according to Merriam, is fear based other than Homophobia. How do you explain that? Could be an oxymoron, or a made up term, because every other phobia is based in fear or anxiety.

You don't agree with it because you pick and chose what you accept as a definition from Merriam. Phobias do not have to be fear based.

Want other 'phobias'?

Francophobia- marked by a fear or strong dislike of France or French culture or customs
Xenophobia- Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Oxford says that phobias are:

An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:

Homophobia fits both that definition- and you.
 
What does any of that have to do with the two Justices having to recuse themselves as a matter of their own 2009 Finding on "appearance" or "suspicion" of bias?

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions. You just don't like the answer. Neither Justices are elected or accept campaign contributions making your entire point meaningless. They are not going to recuse themselves from this case on the account of your butt-hurt. Make peace with that fact.

Hell, it would remove the entire purpose of putting them on the court in the first place. This is why Obama wants Ginsburg to retire,....so he can stick another Dyke in her place.

Speaking of showing bias......
 
What does any of that have to do with the two Justices having to recuse themselves as a matter of their own 2009 Finding on "appearance" or "suspicion" of bias?

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions. You just don't like the answer. Neither Justices are elected or accept campaign contributions making your entire point meaningless. They are not going to recuse themselves from this case on the account of your butt-hurt. Make peace with that fact.
The premise that was argued to successfully win the 2009 case was that no judge should display the appearance of bias, nor give any suspicion of bias to an objective onlooker. The part about campaign contributions could have been about any kind of bias. It just happened to be about that at the time. The successful/Upheld premise applies here.

Again, there isn't a person on the earth, objective or not, who would say that they think that after seeing Ginsburg and Kagan preside/loom over a gay wedding while the question of whether or not the fed should loom over states defining marriage, that they would vote any other way but for a federal entity looming over redacting the word "marriage' to newly include a coupling that is either absent a mother or a father.
 
What does any of that have to do with the two Justices having to recuse themselves as a matter of their own 2009 Finding on "appearance" or "suspicion" of bias?

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions. You just don't like the answer. Neither Justices are elected or accept campaign contributions making your entire point meaningless. They are not going to recuse themselves from this case on the account of your butt-hurt. Make peace with that fact.
The premise that was argued to successfully win the 2009 case was that no judge should display the appearance of bias, nor give any suspicion of bias to an objective onlooker. The part about campaign contributions could have been about any kind of bias. It just happened to be about that at the time. The successful/Upheld premise applies here.

Again, there isn't a person on the earth, objective or not, who would say that they think that after seeing Ginsburg and Kagan preside/loom over a gay wedding while the question of whether or not the fed should loom over states defining marriage, that they would vote any other way but for a federal entity looming over redacting the word "marriage' to newly include a coupling that is either absent a mother or a father.

No, the premise doesn't hold up here b/c neither of them are elected or accept campaign contributions. The only reason you want it to apply here so you can whine about it come June. You're not fooling anybody. You only want them to recuse themselves b/c you don't believe they will vote in your favor. It isn't going to happen. In short, tough shit.
 
No, the premise doesn't hold up here b/c neither of them are elected or accept campaign contributions. The only reason you want it to apply here so you can whine about it come June. You're not fooling anybody. You only want them to recuse themselves b/c you don't believe they will vote in your favor. It isn't going to happen. In short, tough shit.
Any judge, anywhere, anytime, any display of overt bias.

PERIOD. The premise was argued and won. The 2009 law says no judge may show bias. NONE! ever.
 
What does any of that have to do with the two Justices having to recuse themselves as a matter of their own 2009 Finding on "appearance" or "suspicion" of bias?

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions. You just don't like the answer. Neither Justices are elected or accept campaign contributions making your entire point meaningless. They are not going to recuse themselves from this case on the account of your butt-hurt. Make peace with that fact.

Hell, it would remove the entire purpose of putting them on the court in the first place. This is why Obama wants Ginsburg to retire,....so he can stick another Dyke in her place.

Speaking of showing bias......
Yet so true......
 
No, the premise doesn't hold up here b/c neither of them are elected or accept campaign contributions. The only reason you want it to apply here so you can whine about it come June. You're not fooling anybody. You only want them to recuse themselves b/c you don't believe they will vote in your favor. It isn't going to happen. In short, tough shit.
Any judge, anywhere, anytime, any display of overt bias.

PERIOD. The premise was argued and won. The 2009 law says no judge may show bias. NONE! ever.
You can say that all day long, but it's as much nonsense as your mother and father argument. Your dogs no longer don't hunt, they were shot and buried so stop digging them up and trying to get them to play fetch.
 
Ginsburg and Kagan preside/loom over a gay wedding while the question of whether or not the fed should loom over states defining marriage, that they would vote any other way but for a federal entity looming over redacting the word "marriage' to newly include a coupling that is either absent a mother or a father.
No, the premise doesn't hold up here b/c neither of them are elected or accept campaign contributions. The only reason you want it to apply here so you can whine about it come June. You're not fooling anybody. You only want them to recuse themselves b/c you don't believe they will vote in your favor. It isn't going to happen. In short, tough shit.
Any judge, anywhere, anytime, any display of overt bias.

PERIOD. The premise was argued and won. The 2009 law says no judge may show bias. NONE! ever.[/QUOTE]

Than we can add this finding to long list of other court findings that you refuse to accept b/c it conflicts with your narrative. You have raised being willfully obtuse to an art level concerning gay marriage.
 
Same difference....

Very different.

Your definition is based on "hate", when in fact the definition simply calls for a desire to discriminate against. A desire to discriminate need not be born out of "hate".

For example a person may not "hate" homosexuals, but feel - for religious reasons - that they should not be treated the same as heterosexuals under the law. That isn't "hate", but it is a call for discrimination.


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Nope. They may have been able to make Webster's or Merriam's more PC, but the truth is phobia .

The truth is that we use the term 'homophobia' to describe people who are bigots towards homosexuals.

The truth is that the dictionary reflects the accepted common usage of the English language and the truth is that you just don't like that definition.

I just don't agree with it because it's wrong. Any phobia, according to Merriam, is fear based other than Homophobia. How do you explain that? Could be an oxymoron, or a made up term, because every other phobia is based in fear or anxiety.

You don't agree with it because you pick and chose what you accept as a definition from Merriam. Phobias do not have to be fear based.

Want other 'phobias'?

Francophobia- marked by a fear or strong dislike of France or French culture or customs
Xenophobia- Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Oxford says that phobias are:

An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:

Homophobia fits both that definition- and you.

So you're saying any man who doesn't find another man to be sexy is a homophobe?

Everyone has a right to their own preferences, but not according to you. We now risk being labled a pervert, a deviant, an anti-social miscreant because we don't indulge in a particular fetish or activity that is according to you more popular today than it was only a few years ago.

Sorry, but I don't do anything just because it is popular. That includes getting nipple piercings and full body tattoos. I don't tell anyone they can't abuse or mutilate their bodies if they want to. I also don't tell anyone they can't get married because it's not up to me. Personally, I believe gays have every right to suffer the same emotional and financial hardships that heterosexual couples have to go through. It's only fair.
 
No, the premise doesn't hold up here b/c neither of them are elected or accept campaign contributions. The only reason you want it to apply here so you can whine about it come June. You're not fooling anybody. You only want them to recuse themselves b/c you don't believe they will vote in your favor. It isn't going to happen. In short, tough shit.
Any judge, anywhere, anytime, any display of overt bias.

PERIOD. The premise was argued and won. The 2009 law says no judge may show bias. NONE! ever.

Says you. Back in reality, the ruling is in regards to elected judges taking campaign contributions. Neither Kagan nor Ginsberg are elected. Neither take campaign contributions. Even hypothetically, your argument is irrelevant.

Worse, your claims are an impossible. You can't demonstrate a bias against same sex marriage bans by performing a wedding in Maryland or DC.....as no same sex marriage bans exist in Maryland or DC.

Which you know. But really hope we don't.
 
BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued. Without Obama having to lie about practically everything he stood for, he never would have been in the position to transform America into the shithole it is quickly becoming.

Remember when he felt he had to destroy Joe The Plumber because he asked him if he was a socialist?

Without the help of a dishonest media, people's opinions wouldn't be changing. We are constantly being bombarded with scenes in movies and television of two guys swapping spit. This is how they feel they can change our minds. Problem is people are turning it off. They destroyed my favorite show "True Blood" with all of the homosexuality.

I don't think people are changing as much as they're becoming more thick-skinned about it. They accept it more but don't necessarily agree with it.
 
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BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued.

You can agree or disagree with anything you'd like. If you're conducting business with the public, however, you may run into State PA laws that prohibit discrimination against customers because of their sexual orientation.
 
BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued.

You can agree or disagree with anything you'd like. If you're conducting business with the public, however, you may run into State PA laws that prohibit discrimination against customers because of their sexual orientation.

Like I said before, repeatedly I might add.

I have nothing against anyone else doing it. I don't intend to discriminate. Turns out you intend to. Discrimination goes both ways you know. Discrimination for being religious. Discrimination for having principles or morals. You fully condone punishment for anyone who does and there's something amoral about that.

You want everyone to do as they're told.

That's fascism.
 
BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued.

You can agree or disagree with anything you'd like. If you're conducting business with the public, however, you may run into State PA laws that prohibit discrimination against customers because of their sexual orientation.

Like I said before, repeatedly I might add.

I have nothing against anyone else doing it. I don't intend to discriminate. Turns out you intend to. Discrimination goes both ways you know. Discrimination for being religious. Discrimination for having principles or morals. You fully condone punishment for anyone who does and there's something amoral about that.
If a religious person wishes to operate a business that serves the public, they have to treat their customers fairly and equally. If their religion prevents this, they may wish to consider another line of work. As they can run afoul of PA laws if they deny service to someone based on their sexual orientation.
 
2. Two of the Justices performed as a federal entity publicly flaunting their bias in using a shovel and breaking ground for the appearance of the fed looming over the dismantling of the word marriage in a state with manifest approval, in violation of the 2009 Finding by SCOTUS of "appearance of bias" or "suspicion of bias" mandating a self-recusal.

Then, using consistency, Scalia and Thomas should have recused themselves regarding Citizens United for the same exact reasons.
Scalia Thomas Dined at Fancy Koch Dinners Before Citizens United Ruling Advocacy Group Wants DOJ Investigation Alternet

True or false?
 
BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued.

You can agree or disagree with anything you'd like. If you're conducting business with the public, however, you may run into State PA laws that prohibit discrimination against customers because of their sexual orientation.

Like I said before, repeatedly I might add.

I have nothing against anyone else doing it. I don't intend to discriminate. Turns out you intend to. Discrimination goes both ways you know. Discrimination for being religious. Discrimination for having principles or morals. You fully condone punishment for anyone who does and there's something amoral about that.
If a religious person wishes to operate a business that serves the public, they have to treat their customers fairly and equally. If their religion prevents this, they may wish to consider another line of work. As they can run afoul of PA laws if they deny service to someone based on their sexual orientation.

We will see. I don't think the matter is settled by any means. I really don't see the difference between a Nazi and a gay-activists bent on destroying the lives of business owners because our lying president evolved.

Beware of the backlash if you overreach and remember to dig an extra grave for yourself if you insist on digging one for your enemies.

In other words revenge is a double-edge sword.
 
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Very different.

Your definition is based on "hate", when in fact the definition simply calls for a desire to discriminate against. A desire to discriminate need not be born out of "hate".

For example a person may not "hate" homosexuals, but feel - for religious reasons - that they should not be treated the same as heterosexuals under the law. That isn't "hate", but it is a call for discrimination.


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Nope. They may have been able to make Webster's or Merriam's more PC, but the truth is phobia .

The truth is that we use the term 'homophobia' to describe people who are bigots towards homosexuals.

The truth is that the dictionary reflects the accepted common usage of the English language and the truth is that you just don't like that definition.

I just don't agree with it because it's wrong. Any phobia, according to Merriam, is fear based other than Homophobia. How do you explain that? Could be an oxymoron, or a made up term, because every other phobia is based in fear or anxiety.

You don't agree with it because you pick and chose what you accept as a definition from Merriam. Phobias do not have to be fear based.

Want other 'phobias'?

Francophobia- marked by a fear or strong dislike of France or French culture or customs
Xenophobia- Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Oxford says that phobias are:

An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:

Homophobia fits both that definition- and you.

So you're saying any man who doesn't find another man to be sexy is a homophobe?
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No- thats not what I am saying.

An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:

Homophobia fits both that definition- and you.
 
BTW, I don't think people are so much for gay marriage but feel that if they are against it they could get sued.

You can agree or disagree with anything you'd like. If you're conducting business with the public, however, you may run into State PA laws that prohibit discrimination against customers because of their sexual orientation.

Like I said before, repeatedly I might add.

I have nothing against anyone else doing it. I don't intend to discriminate. Turns out you intend to. Discrimination goes both ways you know. Discrimination for being religious. Discrimination for having principles or morals. You fully condone punishment for anyone who does and there's something amoral about that.
If a religious person wishes to operate a business that serves the public, they have to treat their customers fairly and equally. If their religion prevents this, they may wish to consider another line of work. As they can run afoul of PA laws if they deny service to someone based on their sexual orientation.
I really don't see the difference between a Nazi and a gay-activists .

And that really just explains who you are.

You see no difference between Nazi's who put Jews in concentration camps- and homosexuals who ask that State law be enforced.
 

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