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Matt. 25:46, “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” The word for everlasting and eternal are the same word, “aionios.” Just as Heaven is a location, and everlasting, so is hell.This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.
Pope Francis says,
"They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell' ...
I fear you did not understand what he said - if he said this at all. To be separated from god = hell = to disappear. It's still an irreversible process and not a second chance (rebirth) or a cleaning process (purgatory). The tortures in hell are anyway only a kind of embellishment of the "torture" to be separated from god.
From my point of view it's the most easy to follow still the doctrine of the Athanasian creed, if someone likes to be sure to be on the right way: " ... And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. ..."
The Pope said:
On the existence of Hell, Italian journalist Eugenio Scalfari, founder of the left-wing daily La Repubblica and a self-professed non-believer, described himself asking Francis what happens to the souls of sinners, and specifically, where they are punished. He then quoted the pope as follows:
“They’re not punished. Those who repent obtain forgiveness and enter the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who don’t repent and can’t be forgiven disappear. A Hell doesn’t exist, what exists is the disappearance of sinning souls.”
Vatican says interview in which Pope doubts Hell not a 'faithful transcript'
So given the penchant for journalists to "interpret" what they think... maybe Scalifari's Italian translation is missing.
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.Might be nice if true but --------------- your source is CNS "News".
I stopped right there.
My initial assessment was spot-on. It's a fake story, which is, again, what CNS "News" does. Fake stories.
Next time find a credible source.
OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
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Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.Might be nice if true but --------------- your source is CNS "News".
I stopped right there.
My initial assessment was spot-on. It's a fake story, which is, again, what CNS "News" does. Fake stories.
Next time find a credible source.
OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
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... Italian journalist Eugenio Scalfari, founder of the left-wing daily La Repubblica and a self-professed non-believer ...
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.Might be nice if true but --------------- your source is CNS "News".
I stopped right there.
My initial assessment was spot-on. It's a fake story, which is, again, what CNS "News" does. Fake stories.
Next time find a credible source.
OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
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Vade retro satana
I think the Pope knows more about what the bible says than a bunch of Right-wing fake Christians!!!Pope Francis says,
"They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
... Also, why would Hell last forever if peoples souls are destroyed?
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.Might be nice if true but --------------- your source is CNS "News".
I stopped right there.
My initial assessment was spot-on. It's a fake story, which is, again, what CNS "News" does. Fake stories.
Next time find a credible source.
OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
View attachment 185604
Vade retro satana
skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.My initial assessment was spot-on. It's a fake story, which is, again, what CNS "News" does. Fake stories.
Next time find a credible source.
OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
View attachment 185604
Vade retro satana
skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Your Latin has some problems.
... Also, why would Hell last forever if peoples souls are destroyed?
You live in a nearly everlasting universe. If the human beings decide to die out - will the universe stop to exist?
This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.
Pope Francis says,
"They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'
WOW... think if Trump made such a radical statement about oh say the Constitution isn't relevant today!
Now as far as the Pope's truly ignorant statement I can say one thing...he never heard of the Pascal Wager!
Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia
For if he did, he would understand what the consequences were of his statement.
One question for the "Pope".
If as he said :"those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear." ...what difference does it make?
I mean you've lived a life of debauchery. Did all sorts of evil things in this life and do not repent.
So your soul "disappears"! So what? You will never know! You've disappeared! No memories, no repenting. Nothing!
But once again here we have the liberal socialist mind set of the Pope at play NEVER thinking through exactly what the consequences are and will the MSM make a big to do about this?
Of course not!
But let Trump make a faux pas like this...never hear the end of it! "Russia,Russia,Russia"!!!!!
Except that for the fact the author states it is his recollection of a conversation he had with the Pope vs actual quotes during a formal interview backed up by evidence. We call this hearsay.
But if we take the faulty report at face value, the Holy Father was talking about souls being annihilated which is much scarier than everlasting torment. That’s the ultimate separation from God which is what Hell is about. He was trying to separate the physical description built up over two plus millenia & focus instead on its nature.
The Holy Father is more focused on the meaning behind things vs just physical description. If you tell someone they will suffer after death, that’s pretty bad. But if you tell them their essence will be destroyed, that’s far worse.
WHY is that far worse? If their "essence" is destroyed they won't know it. There is nothing then.
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.OK... maybe you can tell these 2,340,000 "news" sources that...
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Vade retro satana
skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Your Latin has some problems.
The comments ARE NOT LATIN!
skit i din hatt Swedish
kwenda shit katika kofia yako is Swahili
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik is Arabic!
and you have... Latine tuus habet aliquid difficultates
And then the "second death," the death of the soul.At the judgment they would.
... Also, why would Hell last forever if peoples souls are destroyed?
You live in a nearly everlasting universe. If the human beings decide to die out - will the universe stop to exist?
According to Stephen Hawking (who by the way should KNOW NOW)....
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail," he said. "There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Heaven 'is a fairy story': This is what Stephen Hawking says happens when people die
Even if that is true, he DID say that people do not have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Another of his lies.
Vade retro satana
skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Your Latin has some problems.
The comments ARE NOT LATIN!
skit i din hatt Swedish
kwenda shit katika kofia yako is Swahili
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik is Arabic!
and you have... Latine tuus habet aliquid difficultates
Sometimes I think everyone in the English speaking world is an idiot. This is one of this moments. I guess everyone in the world knows what means "vade retro, satana". If you like to have a translation: "Go back, challenger". The reason why I said so was: No one is able to say who will go to hell. Only god decides this.
Give me please a translation of your textes - except a translation of the very idiotic text with Latin words.
Vade retro satana
skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Your Latin has some problems.
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The comments ARE NOT LATIN!
skit i din hatt Swedish
kwenda shit katika kofia yako is Swahili
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik is Arabic!
and you have... Latine tuus habet aliquid difficultates
Sometimes I think everyone in the English speaking world is an idiot. This is one of this moments. I guess everyone in the world knows what means "vade retro, satana". If you like to have a translation: "Go back, challenger". The reason why I said so was: No one is able to say who will go to hell. Only god decides this.
Give me please a translation of your textes - except a translation of the very idiotic text with Latin words.
Well your supposedly "Latin" expertise seems "deest" translate that if you can!
Hint... you know the Internet right? Have you ever used it to help you translate?
Hey for an exercise... translate the above statements I made in Swedish, Swahili and Arabic... be fun for you to learn something really helpful!
Vade retro satana ("Go back, Satan" or "Step back, Satan") is a Medieval Catholic formula for exorcism, recorded in a 1415 manuscript found in the BenedictineMetten Abbey in Bavaria;[1][2] its origin is traditionally associated with the Benedictines.
Vade retro satana - Wikipedia
Then you have Google Translation..
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skit i din hatt
kwenda shit katika kofia yako
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik
Your Latin has some problems.
4
The comments ARE NOT LATIN!
skit i din hatt Swedish
kwenda shit katika kofia yako is Swahili
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik is Arabic!
and you have... Latine tuus habet aliquid difficultates
Sometimes I think everyone in the English speaking world is an idiot. This is one of this moments. I guess everyone in the world knows what means "vade retro, satana". If you like to have a translation: "Go back, challenger". The reason why I said so was: No one is able to say who will go to hell. Only god decides this.
Give me please a translation of your textes - except a translation of the very idiotic text with Latin words.
Well your supposedly "Latin" expertise seems "deest" translate that if you can!
Hint... you know the Internet right? Have you ever used it to help you translate?
Hey for an exercise... translate the above statements I made in Swedish, Swahili and Arabic... be fun for you to learn something really helpful!
Vade retro satana ("Go back, Satan" or "Step back, Satan") is a Medieval Catholic formula for exorcism, recorded in a 1415 manuscript found in the BenedictineMetten Abbey in Bavaria;[1][2] its origin is traditionally associated with the Benedictines.
Vade retro satana - Wikipedia
Then you have Google Translation..
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I know why I said "vade retro, satana" ("Go back, challenger"). I am a Catholic. So what is now with the translation of your words, googler? Unimportant? The Norwegian text means something like dirt in a hat or so ... The others?
Your Latin has some problems.
4
The comments ARE NOT LATIN!
skit i din hatt Swedish
kwenda shit katika kofia yako is Swahili
adhhab alqarf fi qabeatik is Arabic!
and you have... Latine tuus habet aliquid difficultates
Sometimes I think everyone in the English speaking world is an idiot. This is one of this moments. I guess everyone in the world knows what means "vade retro, satana". If you like to have a translation: "Go back, challenger". The reason why I said so was: No one is able to say who will go to hell. Only god decides this.
Give me please a translation of your textes - except a translation of the very idiotic text with Latin words.
Well your supposedly "Latin" expertise seems "deest" translate that if you can!
Hint... you know the Internet right? Have you ever used it to help you translate?
Hey for an exercise... translate the above statements I made in Swedish, Swahili and Arabic... be fun for you to learn something really helpful!
Vade retro satana ("Go back, Satan" or "Step back, Satan") is a Medieval Catholic formula for exorcism, recorded in a 1415 manuscript found in the BenedictineMetten Abbey in Bavaria;[1][2] its origin is traditionally associated with the Benedictines.
Vade retro satana - Wikipedia
Then you have Google Translation..
View attachment 185663
I know why I said "vade retro, satana" ("Go back, challenger"). I am a Catholic. So what is now with the translation of your words, googler? Unimportant? The Norwegian text means something like dirt in a hat or so ... The others?
But vade retro, satana does not translate "Go back, challenger"!
Why is it so complicated to be correct by simply using the Internet?
That was NOT Norwegian text...skit i din hatt it is Swedish....
Two distinct languages.
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I consider myself 80% conservative and 20% libertarian. I love the libertarian view of small government, but hate their stance on military and recreational narcotics.
In any case, this is the one statement I can agree with the Pope on. Mind you I don't like the guy, but this time he's saying something that makes sense.
So if there is no hell but NOTHING for those that don't repent... WHY REPENT???
Do you understand the issue here?
The POPE said there is NO place where someone goes if they don't repent. OK... POPE... so why REPENT??? If there is NOTHING then the person going to NOTHING knows
NOTHING! Do you understand? That's what Pascal's wager stated in the 1600s!
YOU have two choices. Believe there is life after death or Not believe.
If you believe there is nothing and you are right you won't know!
BUT as Pascal points out... IF YOU believe there is nothing and you respond in life with no thought or belief there is anything and come to find out when you die THERE IS something...
well whether it is heaven or hell you were wrong.
So for my part I'd rather believe there IS something after death and I'll have some connscienousness then maybe I have done more good than bad and that will stand in good stead!
AND if I"M WRONG there is nothing? What will I KNOW????
Still looking for a cookie to go along with you milk.'d rather believe there IS something after death and I'll have some connscienousness then maybe I have done more good than bad and that will stand in good stead!
AND if I"M WRONG there is nothing? What will I KNOW????
