Zone1 List ridiculous, heretical things the pope has said.. How about There is no Hell, just disappearance

[notmyfault2020]

Because I am a Catholic and I think the nonsense which you say about the Christian way of life - I called your way "atheism clothed in bible" - has not a lot to do with the Catholic faith. I fear you are a fake-Catholic. By the way: If you like to use the bible like a weapon then you don't have to read and try to understand it. You can use the book of the books on its own like a heavy projectile.

I haven't been following your conversation w/ this Ding person

But he has been verbally abusive toward yours truly so that's telling.

 

[zaangalewa]

Is it really enough?

Yes. Egocentrism and sophisticated formalism will help you nothing at all. Listen to the spirit of god.

Because I haven't heard you say anything specific at all.

You are specific enough with your nonsense, sophist. What about to try to find out what could be true?

Just vague unsubstantiated allegations that are without merit.

If you would think so then this would be a nice sentence. But for you everything is only a weapon - also language is for you only a weapon full of deadly empty phrases - and you think who uses language "well" wins - and who wins is right. That's darwinism. But if you could remember what we Christians know (with and without bible): Jesus lost! That's one of an infinite number of reasons why we love him and call him "true god from true god".

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To the choirmaster: according to Lilies. Of David. Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my neck. I sink in deep mire, where there is no foothold; I have come into deep waters, and the flood sweeps over me. I am weary with my crying out; my throat is parched. My eyes grow dim with waiting for my God. More in number than the hairs of my head are those who hate me without cause; mighty are those who would destroy me, those who attack me with lies. What I did not steal must I now restore? O God, you know my folly; the wrongs I have done are not hidden from you. Let not those who hope in you be put to shame through me, O Lord God of hosts; let not those who seek you be brought to dishonor through me, O God of Israel. For it is for your sake that I have borne reproach, that dishonor has covered my face. I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother’s sons. For zeal for your house has consumed me, and the reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me. When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting, it became my reproach. When I made sackcloth my clothing, I became a byword to them. I am the talk of those who sit in the gate, and the drunkards make songs about me. But as for me, my prayer is to you, O Lord. At an acceptable time, O God, in the abundance of your steadfast love answer me in your saving faithfulness. Deliver me from sinking in the mire; let me be delivered from my enemies and from the deep waters. Let not the flood sweep over me, or the deep swallow me up, or the pit close its mouth over me. Answer me, O Lord, for your steadfast love is good; according to your abundant mercy, turn to me. Hide not your face from your servant, for I am in distress; make haste to answer me. Draw near to my soul, redeem me; ransom me because of my enemies! You know my reproach, and my shame and my dishonor; my foes are all known to you. Reproaches have broken my heart, so that I am in despair. I looked for pity, but there was none, and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink. Let their own table before them become a snare; and when they are at peace, let it become a trap. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see, and make their loins tremble continually. Pour out your indignation upon them, and let your burning anger overtake them. May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom you have struck down, and they recount the pain of those you have wounded. Add to them punishment upon punishment; may they have no acquittal from you. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous. But I am afflicted and in pain; let your salvation, O God, set me on high! I will praise the name of God with a song; I will magnify him with thanksgiving. This will please the Lord more than an ox or a bull with horns and hoofs. When the humble see it they will be glad; you who seek God, let your hearts revive. For the Lord hears the needy and does not despise his own people who are prisoners. Let heaven and earth praise him, the seas and everything that moves in them. For God will save Zion and build up the cities of Judah, and people shall dwell there and possess it; the offspring of his servants shall inherit it, and those who love his name shall dwell in it.
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[zaangalewa]

I haven't been following your conversation w/ this Ding person

But he has been verbally abusive toward yours truly so that's telling.

Thank you. Life is not so easy as it could be with this man. Just a moment ago I sent him what a grandpa of us said thousands of years ago when he had been a young man. The day before David said so this text was not existing - and now I can use it as a spiritual prayer for him. But it's time to bring the book back under the table board. Otherwise it will be difficult to eat soup there.





And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and
strong wind tore the mountains and broke
in pieces the rocks before the Lord,
but the Lord was not in the wind.

And after the wind an earthquake,
but the Lord was not in the earthquake.

And after the earthquake a fire,
but the Lord was not in the fire.

And after the fire the sound of a low whisper.

 

[ding]

Thank you. Life is not so easy as it could be with this man. Just a moment ago I sent him what a grandpa of us said thousands of years ago when he had been a young man. The day before David said so this text was not existing - and now I can use it as a spiritual prayer for him. But it's time to bring the book back under the table board. Otherwise it will be difficult to eat soup there.





And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and
strong wind tore the mountains and broke
in pieces the rocks before the Lord,
but the Lord was not in the wind.

And after the wind an earthquake,
but the Lord was not in the earthquake.

And after the earthquake a fire,
but the Lord was not in the fire.

And after the fire the sound of a low whisper.

I'm glad you and notmyfault2020 are able to commensurate. Maybe you could help him add to his multitude of anti-catholic church OPs.

 

[ding]

Yes. Egocentrism and sophisticated formalism will help you nothing at all. Listen to the spirit of god.



You are specific enough with your nonsense, sophist. What about to try to find out what could be true?



If you would think so then this would be a nice sentence. But for you everything is only a weapon - also language is for you only a weapon full of deadly empty phrases - and you think who uses language "well" wins - and who wins is right. That's darwinism. But if you could remember what we Christians know (with and without bible): Jesus lost! That's one of an infinite number of reasons why we love him and call him "true god from true god".

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To the choirmaster: according to Lilies. Of David. Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my neck. I sink in deep mire, where there is no foothold; I have come into deep waters, and the flood sweeps over me. I am weary with my crying out; my throat is parched. My eyes grow dim with waiting for my God. More in number than the hairs of my head are those who hate me without cause; mighty are those who would destroy me, those who attack me with lies. What I did not steal must I now restore? O God, you know my folly; the wrongs I have done are not hidden from you. Let not those who hope in you be put to shame through me, O Lord God of hosts; let not those who seek you be brought to dishonor through me, O God of Israel. For it is for your sake that I have borne reproach, that dishonor has covered my face. I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother’s sons. For zeal for your house has consumed me, and the reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me. When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting, it became my reproach. When I made sackcloth my clothing, I became a byword to them. I am the talk of those who sit in the gate, and the drunkards make songs about me. But as for me, my prayer is to you, O Lord. At an acceptable time, O God, in the abundance of your steadfast love answer me in your saving faithfulness. Deliver me from sinking in the mire; let me be delivered from my enemies and from the deep waters. Let not the flood sweep over me, or the deep swallow me up, or the pit close its mouth over me. Answer me, O Lord, for your steadfast love is good; according to your abundant mercy, turn to me. Hide not your face from your servant, for I am in distress; make haste to answer me. Draw near to my soul, redeem me; ransom me because of my enemies! You know my reproach, and my shame and my dishonor; my foes are all known to you. Reproaches have broken my heart, so that I am in despair. I looked for pity, but there was none, and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink. Let their own table before them become a snare; and when they are at peace, let it become a trap. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see, and make their loins tremble continually. Pour out your indignation upon them, and let your burning anger overtake them. May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom you have struck down, and they recount the pain of those you have wounded. Add to them punishment upon punishment; may they have no acquittal from you. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous. But I am afflicted and in pain; let your salvation, O God, set me on high! I will praise the name of God with a song; I will magnify him with thanksgiving. This will please the Lord more than an ox or a bull with horns and hoofs. When the humble see it they will be glad; you who seek God, let your hearts revive. For the Lord hears the needy and does not despise his own people who are prisoners. Let heaven and earth praise him, the seas and everything that moves in them. For God will save Zion and build up the cities of Judah, and people shall dwell there and possess it; the offspring of his servants shall inherit it, and those who love his name shall dwell in it.
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I'm still not seeing any specific charges which of my beliefs are un-Christian. But you have been demonstrating un-Christian behaviors for several pages now. Maybe you should go to confession.

 

[zaangalewa]

I'm still not seeing any specific charges which of my beliefs are un-Christian.

For example is it not ... hmmm ... how to say this? .. it is not "evangelical" or "biblical" to threaten someone if he makes the first blow that then this will cause an act of an own aggressive behavior. But I told you to think about what you say.

But you have been demonstrating un-Christian behaviors for several pages now. Maybe you should go to confession.

I should go to what? ... confession = Beichte ... got it. Perhaps I should. "Know thyself and the god within you" was written in front of the oracle in Delphi. But what do you think do I have to tell the priest in this case? "I hurted an US-American sensitive soul who has rules for everyone except oneselve?" Did I hurt you or do you just simple not like to listen what others say to you on reason of vanity? Are you hurted behind the ignoring iron curtain of your empty phrases?

 

[zaangalewa]

I'm glad you and notmyfault2020 are able to commensurate. Maybe you could help him add to his multitude of anti-catholic church OPs.

Do you understand what you say here? It is not trivial because the patriarch of Moscow is a KGB spy and oligarch with 4 billion private property. So not only you are speaking nonsense in the name of Christians and we all have to take care. Now you are here and you speak nonsense in the name of Catholics. Another Catholic - it's me in this case - tries to bring transparence into this situation - what's my duty in front of your soul and in front of my church. And you continue to speak neverending nonsense. So what do you suggest to do?

 

[ding]

For example is it not ... hmmm ... how to say this? .. it is not "evangelical" or "biblical" to threaten someone if he makes the first blow that then this will cause an act of an own aggressive behavior. But I told you to think about what you say.

It's un-christian of you to be attacking me in the first place, dummy. But how is that an un-Christian belief? It's not. It may be an un-Christian act but it doesn't make someone not a Christian. You've been arguing my beliefs aren't Christian beliefs. I think you are full of shit.

 

[ding]

I should go to what? ... confession = Beichte ... got it. Perhaps I should. "Know thyself and the god within you" was written in front of the oracle in Delphi. But what do you think do I have to tell the priest in this case? "I hurted an US-American sensitive soul who has rules for everyone except oneselve?" Did I hurt you or do you just simple not like to listen what others say to you on reason of vanity? Are you hurted behind the ignoring iron curtain of your empty phrases?

I think you should tell your priest that you have been acting like an asshole for no good reason.

 

[ding]

Do you understand what you say here? It is not trivial because the patriarch of Moscow is a KGB spy and oligarch with 4 billion private property. So not only you are speaking nonsense in the name of Christians and we all have to take care. Now you are here and you speak nonsense in the name of Catholics. Another Catholic - it's me in this case - tries to bring transparence into this situation - what's my duty in front of your soul and in front of my church. And you continue to speak neverending nonsense. So what do you suggest to do?

If you want to align yourself with someone who claims the pope is invalid, be my guest.

You keep making unfounded allegations. Try using the quote feature to quote what I said.

 

[notmyfault2020]

Yes. Egocentrism and sophisticated formalism will help you nothing at all. Listen to the spirit of god.



You are specific enough with your nonsense, sophist. What about to try to find out what could be true?



If you would think so then this would be a nice sentence. But for you everything is only a weapon - also language is for you only a weapon full of deadly empty phrases - and you think who uses language "well" wins - and who wins is right. That's darwinism. But if you could remember what we Christians know (with and without bible): Jesus lost! That's one of an infinite number of reasons why we love him and call him "true god from true god".

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To the choirmaster: according to Lilies. Of David. Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my neck. I sink in deep mire, where there is no foothold; I have come into deep waters, and the flood sweeps over me. I am weary with my crying out; my throat is parched. My eyes grow dim with waiting for my God. More in number than the hairs of my head are those who hate me without cause; mighty are those who would destroy me, those who attack me with lies. What I did not steal must I now restore? O God, you know my folly; the wrongs I have done are not hidden from you. Let not those who hope in you be put to shame through me, O Lord God of hosts; let not those who seek you be brought to dishonor through me, O God of Israel. For it is for your sake that I have borne reproach, that dishonor has covered my face. I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother’s sons. For zeal for your house has consumed me, and the reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me. When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting, it became my reproach. When I made sackcloth my clothing, I became a byword to them. I am the talk of those who sit in the gate, and the drunkards make songs about me. But as for me, my prayer is to you, O Lord. At an acceptable time, O God, in the abundance of your steadfast love answer me in your saving faithfulness. Deliver me from sinking in the mire; let me be delivered from my enemies and from the deep waters. Let not the flood sweep over me, or the deep swallow me up, or the pit close its mouth over me. Answer me, O Lord, for your steadfast love is good; according to your abundant mercy, turn to me. Hide not your face from your servant, for I am in distress; make haste to answer me. Draw near to my soul, redeem me; ransom me because of my enemies! You know my reproach, and my shame and my dishonor; my foes are all known to you. Reproaches have broken my heart, so that I am in despair. I looked for pity, but there was none, and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink. Let their own table before them become a snare; and when they are at peace, let it become a trap. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see, and make their loins tremble continually. Pour out your indignation upon them, and let your burning anger overtake them. May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom you have struck down, and they recount the pain of those you have wounded. Add to them punishment upon punishment; may they have no acquittal from you. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous. But I am afflicted and in pain; let your salvation, O God, set me on high! I will praise the name of God with a song; I will magnify him with thanksgiving. This will please the Lord more than an ox or a bull with horns and hoofs. When the humble see it they will be glad; you who seek God, let your hearts revive. For the Lord hears the needy and does not despise his own people who are prisoners. Let heaven and earth praise him, the seas and everything that moves in them. For God will save Zion and build up the cities of Judah, and people shall dwell there and possess it; the offspring of his servants shall inherit it, and those who love his name shall dwell in it.
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Is that last thing you write here from Psalms?

Some of it sounds familiar. I've read the entire Bible (not memorized, though )

 

[notmyfault2020]

It's un-christian of you to be attacking me in the first place, dummy. But how is that an un-Christian belief? It's not. It may be an un-Christian act but it doesn't make someone not a Christian. You've been arguing my beliefs aren't Christian beliefs. I think you are full of shit.

do you fail to see the irony here?

 

[ding]

do you fail to see the irony here?

Not at all. I am called to stand for good and oppose evil. Your constant and apparently unending attack on the validity of the Church is evil.

How many threads have you created about how the pope is a fake pope?

 

[ding]

do you fail to see the irony here?

All I see is someone who is trying to undermine the validity of the Catholic Church.

For those who don't know what happened, the Vatican was stolen in the 1960s (or sooner) by anti-Christs who had been working on such an endeavor for centuries.

I was in the novus ordo for years and years before I realized it is a fake church. The Vatican was taken over 60 years ago (and counting) by communists and liberals, many of whom despised the Catholic Church and wanted to see its downfall.

This is the TRUE Catholic Church-- as opposed to the fake one currently in the Vatican (which I do not call a "church" at all). The Vatican was highjacked 65 years ago and we have not had a valid pope since. They have all been usurpers and heretics (yes JPII also).

I used to love going to Mass at the local Catholic Church...

Then I learned about how awful Vatican II was/is.. and.. started learning about Lefebvre who defied that vile Council. In additiion to that, I began having serious problems w/ the local Catholic priest(s).

Then I found myself dissatisfied w/ the SSPX that he (Lefebvre) founded... and ended up a Sedevacantist, which means I believe the Chair of St Peter is vacant and has been since 1958

we haven't had any validly ordained priests for a long time. A validly ordained priest is such bc he has been ordained by a validly ordained bishop... something we are in dire shortage of.. Many bishops, themselves validly ordained, have died off since 1958 when the Vatican was taken over by commies and liberals..

Again, the Vatican sect stole the Vatican from true Catholics in 1958

These nuns lived in a monastery that the Poor Clares inhabited (they were a group of nuns supported by St Francis in the 13th century). The pope betrayed them.

Why did they trust him? Didn't they know he is a fake pope? I guess not... most people don't.

How about this interesting little story:

about how the fake pope Paul VI died.

Catholics have not had a valid pope since 1958.

What do you see zaangalewa ?

 

[notmyfault2020]

Thank you. Life is not so easy as it could be with this man. Just a moment ago I sent him what a grandpa of us said thousands of years ago when he had been a young man. The day before David said so this text was not existing - and now I can use it as a spiritual prayer for him. But it's time to bring the book back under the table board. Otherwise it will be difficult to eat soup there.





And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and
strong wind tore the mountains and broke
in pieces the rocks before the Lord,
but the Lord was not in the wind.

And after the wind an earthquake,
but the Lord was not in the earthquake.

And after the earthquake a fire,
but the Lord was not in the fire.

And after the fire the sound of a low whisper.

OK, I get that passage from... Is it Exodus? but could you please explain your personal comments, which I am struggling to understand?

 

[zaangalewa]

Is that last thing you write here from Psalms?

Psalm 69

Some of it sounds familiar. I've read the entire Bible (not memorized, though )

To read it makes sense because everything has to do with everything. A German saying goes: "Bildung ist was überbleibt, wenn man vergessen hat was man gelernt hat." - "Education is what remains when you have forgotten what you have learned".

But the bible on its own is also only a part - it's not over yet. I am convinced everyone is able to find god from every point - it needs only a true heart to do so.

But here a Psalm which I also love very much: Psalm 139. Nevertheless I do not share the hate king David speaks about. But I understand him very well. When he speaks about "the godless" then he not speaks about people who do not share his belief. He speaks about people who act "godless" - who are criminals in his view to the world during his time of history.




After this very nice German version here a wonderful English version (without his hate-comments):

 

[zaangalewa]

All I see is someone who is trying to undermine the validity of the Catholic Church.




















What do you see zaangalewa ?

nothing special - except nonsense

 

[zaangalewa]

OK, I get that passage from... Is it Exodus? but could you please explain your personal comments, which I am struggling to understand?

No. Not important.

 

[zaangalewa]

I think you should tell your priest that you have been acting like an asshole for no good reason.

Then he will be shocked and ask me: "What for heavens sake did you do?"

 

[zaangalewa]

It's un-christian of you to be attacking me in the first place, dummy. But how is that an un-Christian belief? It's not. It may be an un-Christian act but it doesn't make someone not a Christian. You've been arguing my beliefs aren't Christian beliefs. I think you are full of shit.

You got a good answer from notmyfault2020. I have no better one. He said: "Do you fail to see the irony here?"