Boy leads protest over deported mother

[doniston]

The constitution sets forth minimal rights... not maximum. "Strict construction" wouldn't apply, even if it weren't a crock.

But it isn't in the constitution, so it doesn't apply.

 

[Annie]

From the Chicago area, where the issues arose and amnest sought, we just think the child should be in school, without an agenda. Doesn't matter if Ameri an or Mexican, just let him be a kid.

My guess is the problem is the 'godmother', she's the 'activist' not the mom.

 

[doniston]

well, im glad you didnt get stuck on the 1/5th fine print.

I have no problem clarifying the 14th amendment, or creating another, in order to address the current illegal immigrant situation. Hell, let's do the same to the ninth while we are at it!

there is no need for that. just don't add ingrediences to the constitution that it doesn't contain. all that needs be done. is STOP

 

[Waterrescuedude]

So you want the Constitution repealed? This boy has can become the President of the United States under the Constitution, serve as a member of Congress and vote in our elections by virtue of his birth in the United States. It has been a given for centuries that anyone born in a country is a citizen of that country by birth. The origin of their parents have nothing to do with the child's citizenship and never will (even though racists like you would like it to have something to do with it).



I am sure Tancredo would love to repeal the Constitution and to violate the rights of others. He like those who agree with him don't give a damn about the rights of others and are nothing more than terrorists who hide behind the ballot to disguise their acts of terrorism against other Americans and even other nations. Once we start losing our citizenship in a nation based on our birth here we lose our right to self-determine. We become nothing more than cattle to be moved around at the whim of evil people like you. Of course you don't agree with those who wrote the Constitution (except when they agree with your evil ass) especially when they said, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States." The Constitution is clear that those who are born inside the jurisdiction have claim to U.S. citizen because they do not necessarily have claim to citizenship in any other nation simply because their parents were born there. They are granted their citizenship based on their country of birth because that is where they were born. They can change that citizenship of their own free will, renounce it and take up citizenship in another nation but this boy will remain a U.S. citizen so long as he chooses to do so because he was born here. He has a claim to the very soil on which he was born contrary to the opinions of racists.

Tancredo would not do that may add an amendment to it but. He will be very tough on immigration and has some good motivational ways to make them learn English. And as Theodore Roosevelt once said there is room for one language ENGLISH!!!! But back to the anchor baby bullshit. If the parent is here illegally and has a kid that kid should not be a citizen period. Why should we reward people who cant abide by our laws?? They came here illegally and I don't care how bad their country is they need to stand up and take care of their own problems. Now as far as me being a racist thats just horse shit and just the exact response a stupid ass liberal would come up with. Now If you read I said nothing of any race. Being Illegal isn't a race dumb ass. I only mentioned them being illegal.

 

[Waterrescuedude]

From the Chicago area, where the issues arose and amnest sought, we just think the child should be in school, without an agenda. Doesn't matter if Ameri an or Mexican, just let him be a kid.

My guess is the problem is the 'godmother', she's the 'activist' not the mom.

But why the hell should we waste our tax dollars on illegals? Why should they have a right to anything in our country??? They don't deserve schooling, the only medical care that should be given is to save a life. Did you realize in California alone 83 hospitals have been forced to close because they had to take care of illegals? Then said illegals never paid their bills? Thats why our health care is so much so they can make up for the illegals. They are not citizens they are CRIMINALS that have no rights as far as i am concerned. They break our laws yet they call themselves good people..... How the hell can they be????

 

[Shogun]

there is no need for that. just don't add ingrediences to the constitution that it doesn't contain. all that needs be done. is STOP

Apparently, in fact, there is a need. Thankfully, our Constitution is fluid enough to handle being added to and retracted from. If we seem to need clarification in order to fix the side affect of anchor babies then..


the ninth needs to be clarified anyway.

 

[Ruby]

Tancredo would not do that may add an amendment to it but. He will be very tough on immigration and has some good motivational ways to make them learn English. And as Theodore Roosevelt once said there is room for one language ENGLISH!!!! But back to the anchor baby bullshit. If the parent is here illegally and has a kid that kid should not be a citizen period. Why should we reward people who cant abide by our laws?? They came here illegally and I don't care how bad their country is they need to stand up and take care of their own problems. Now as far as me being a racist thats just horse shit and just the exact response a stupid ass liberal would come up with. Now If you read I said nothing of any race. Being Illegal isn't a race dumb ass. I only mentioned them being illegal.

The US has to take responsibility for doing all it does TO PREVENT people of our neighboring nations being successful in getting the changes they are actively trying to make. That means no more death squads, no more US staged coups in their countries, no more US installing brutal dictators, no more US bullying the nations into economic policies that keep them impoverished, no more bullying them for access to their resources etc.

The US citizens cant even control their own govt but we ask people to not only control thier OWN govt, but to also fight off the US one as well! US citizens are MORE equipped to do it and dont have even HALF the battle those people are up against....yet we cant manage it. They can do it much better if we remove ourselves as such a large and deadly obstacle.

Oh, and the US OWES them, owes them more than we can ever even repay and we OWE them for the years of terrorism we have committed against them.

 

[CSM]

The US has to take responsibility for doing all it does TO PREVENT people of our neighboring nations being successful in getting the changes they are actively trying to make. That means no more death squads, no more US staged coups in their countries, no more US installing brutal dictators, no more US bullying the nations into economic policies that keep them impoverished, no more bullying them for access to their resources etc.

The US citizens cant even control their own govt but we ask people to not only control thier OWN govt, but to also fight off the US one as well! US citizens are MORE equipped to do it and dont have even HALF the battle those people are up against....yet we cant manage it. They can do it much better if we remove ourselves as such a large and deadly obstacle.

Oh, and the US OWES them, owes them more than we can ever even repay and we OWE them for the years of terrorism we have committed against them.

Bullshit.

 

[Ruby]

Bullshit.

Yet its all backed up with FACTS. The CIA admits to numerous coups and backing terrorist groups. We admit to kidnappings, assassinations, coups etc. If any nation did such a thing to us we would SCREAM terrorism and rightfully so...it is terrorism to interferre so horribly in another nations self determination and its certainly terrorism to subject them to puppet dictators who torture and kill them for any attempts to change their lives and nation for the better.

Neg rep me all you want, the truth wont change. Its sad to see so many americans WILLINGLY turn a blind eye to our own terrorism and UNWILLING to address it or do anything to change it. Of course you also dont care about your fellow american citizens either....you seem to have no compassion or care for anyone who disagrees with you or who factors in information you would rather stay blind to.

You shouldnt be such a coward that you cant even face a fact!

 

[CSM]

Yet its all backed up with FACTS. The CIA admits to numerous coups and backing terrorist groups. We admit to kidnappings, assassinations, coups etc. If any nation did such a thing to us we would SCREAM terrorism and rightfully so...it is terrorism to interferre so horribly in another nations self determination and its certainly terrorism to subject them to puppet dictators who torture and kill them for any attempts to change their lives and nation for the better.

Neg rep me all you want, the truth wont change. Its sad to see so many americans WILLINGLY turn a blind eye to our own terrorism and UNWILLING to address it or do anything to change it. Of course you also dont care about your fellow american citizens either....you seem to have no compassion or care for anyone who disagrees with you or who factors in information you would rather stay blind to.

You shouldnt be such a coward that you cant even face a fact!

You have no idea about "courage" (mine or anyone elses!) You shouldn't be such a traitor to your own country.

 

[Shogun]

so, what tangent is this thread on now?


I coulda swore this one was about illegal immigration.


I will say, however, that our dealing with cuba over the last 50 years makes Ruby's point. Oh, that and still keeping a hardon about Cuba while gladhanding China's when they are both commie nations paints a dark picture of to what length we will go to meddle in the affairs of other nations.. you know, all Iraq jokes aside.


after all.. theres a reason the righties hate che guevera's memory.

 

[Ruby]

You have no idea about "courage" (mine or anyone elses!) You shouldn't be such a traitor to your own country.

Facing the facts and a willingness to see my country and its actions truthfully is exactly the opposite of being a traitor, its actually needed for us to grow and prosper in good health and well being as a nation.

I certainly do have an idea about courage...it dosent come from holding a loaded gun either. REAL courage is required to face the hurtful truths, somthing you obviously dont have the courage to do.

Is the CIA lying about itself and admitting to crimes it never committed? Are all those documents just made up and placed in the archives just waiting to be declassified in years to come to bolster a case of terrorism committed by the US that never really took place? If so, what is the motive to admit to crimes that we never committed and wait many years for the truth to come to light? Who is behind all these things and how are these people able to continue the practice of falsifying CIA documents over the decades? Thats ONE large conspiracy you are asking people to believe!

http://newsmine.org/archive/coldwar-imperialism/chile/cia-admits.txt

This link even comes with links to the CIA documents themselves!

The CIA is acknowledging for the first time the extent of its deep involvement in Chile, where it dealt with coup-plotters, false propagandists and assassins.
The agency planned to post a declassified report required by Congress on its Web site today that admits CIA support for the 1970 kidnapping of Chile’s top general for refusing to use the Army to prevent the country’s congress from confirming the election of socialist Salvador Allende as president. The kidnapping failed, but Gen. Rene Schneider was shot and died two days later, the day Allende’s election was confirmed.

Thats just ONE incident, there are more!

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/guatemal.htm

Instead, the leftist President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman resigned June 27, 1954, two weeks after U.S.-backed rebels invaded Guatemala and more than two years after the CIA began planning for "the elimination of those in high positions of the government (that) would bring about its collapse."

The documents -- just a fraction of those dealing with the Guatemalan operation -- were released at the National Archives as part of a CIA effort to declassify records on past covert operations. The intelligence agency was sued repeatedly over its refusal to make these and other documents public.

"It's too little too late," said Stephen Schlesinger, author of the 1982 book, "Bitter Fruit: The Untold Story of the America Coup," that detailed CIA activities in Guatemala. He filed suit 19 years ago to get the government to release the documents, but dropped the matter.

A list of potential targets
The documents indicate that exiled rebel leader Castillo Armas, who took over after the fall of Arbenz, gave the CIA a list of 58 people to be assassinated. One CIA official reviewing the proposal suggested, "even a smaller number, say 20, would be sufficient."

In March 1954, the CIA drew up criteria for assassination targets:

High government and organization leaders "irrevocably implicated in Communist doctrine and policy."

"Out-and-out proven Communist leaders."
People in key government and military positions of tactical importance "whose removal for psychological, organizational or other reasons is mandatory for the success of military action."

The CIA already was engaged in intimidation, including broadcasting propaganda about Arbenz and sending fake "death notices" to Communist leaders. Tapes of 325 of the broadcasts also were released.

"The Nerve War Against Individuals" also included sending wooden coffins, hangman's nooses and phony bombs to targets. "Here Lives a Spy" and "You have only 5 Days" were painted on their houses.

In 1953, the CIA included plans for "K" groups, or assassin teams, to work with sabotage groups, and rebels began training assassins. CIA headquarters in Washington sent 20 silencers for .22-caliber rifles to the rebel killers training in Honduras, said a January 11, 1954, cable.

In the spring of 1954, CIA officers made official requests to the State Department to implement assassinations. No cabled replies were found.

Just another example. Sadly there is way too much of this.

We can also go over the more recent US involvement in the coup in Venezueala in 2002 that fell apart after only a few days.

 

[Ruby]

so, what tangent is this thread on now?


I coulda swore this one was about illegal immigration.


I will say, however, that our dealing with cuba over the last 50 years makes Ruby's point. Oh, that and still keeping a hardon about Cuba while gladhanding China's when they are both commie nations paints a dark picture of to what length we will go to meddle in the affairs of other nations.. you know, all Iraq jokes aside.


after all.. theres a reason the righties hate che guevera's memory.

They are connected. One of the reasons we have HIGH illegal immigration is because of conditions in their home nations that the US is in large part responsible for. People are trying to illegally immigrate because the conditions in their home nations are SOOO DIRE they do what most human beings do by nature (human nature)....search for a better standard of living for themselves and their family.

If we stop creating such horrible conditions in their nation, then they are able to improve their situation and then illegal immigration is reduced drastically. Its why we dont have mass illegal immigration from Canada....we dont stage coups, we dont send in death squads etc. Physical and economic terrorism is the part we play and until we stop playing it, we have to understand and accept our share of the consequences.

 

[CSM]

Facing the facts and a willingness to see my country and its actions truthfully is exactly the opposite of being a traitor, its actually needed for us to grow and prosper in good health and well being as a nation.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better I guess. Benedict arnold had his "logic" too.

I certainly do have an idea about courage...it dosent come from holding a loaded gun either. REAL courage is required to face the hurtful truths, somthing you obviously dont have the courage to do.

Really? Here is a "hurtful truth" for you. The US, despite your dearest wishes, is not the evil country you portray it.

Is the CIA lying about itself and admitting to crimes it never committed? Are all those documents just made up and placed in the archives just waiting to be declassified in years to come to bolster a case of terrorism committed by the US that never really took place? If so, what is the motive to admit to crimes that we never committed and wait many years for the truth to come to light? Who is behind all these things and how are these people able to continue the practice of falsifying CIA documents over the decades? Thats ONE large conspiracy you are asking people to believe!

http://newsmine.org/archive/coldwar-imperialism/chile/cia-admits.txt

This link even comes with links to the CIA documents themselves!



Thats just ONE incident, there are more!

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/guatemal.htm



Just another example. Sadly there is way too much of this.

Ok, let's disband the CIA, the military and every other clandestine government organization...NOT! The problem with folks like you is you don't want to see the dirty work it takes to survive. You think roses and rainbows will spring from the hearts of evil men like islamic extremists if you agree with and even appease them. I have news for you, the Cub Scouts will not protect you from those wanting to kill you!

We can also go over the more recent US involvement in the coup in Venezueala in 2002 that fell apart after only a few days.

Yeah, too bad it fell apart...now we have Chavez to deal with... but then you like him, I bet![/QUOTE]


By the way, your little rhetoric about my personal traits don't mean crap....I won't lose one iota of sleep over them because your opinion doesn't mean crap. It is fun to bandy the insults around though, isn't it!

 

[CSM]

They are connected. One of the reasons we have HIGH illegal immigration is because of conditions in their home nations that the US is in large part responsible for. Heaven forbid they should look to their OWN government! People are trying to illegally immigrate because the conditions in their home nations are SOOO DIRE they do what most human beings do by nature (human nature)....search for a better standard of living for themselves and their family. There is a way to do that...LEGALLY.

If we (again, I guess they don't have their own government!) stop creating such horrible conditions in their nation, then they are able to improve their situation and then illegal immigration is reduced drastically. Its why we dont have mass illegal immigration from Canada....we dont stage coups, we dont send in death squads etc. Maybe because the Canadian government takes care of Canadians! Your statement also raises the question: If the US is creating all these "conditions" in neighboring countries, why hasn't Canada found itself to be just like Mexico? Physical and economic terrorism is the part we play and until we stop playing it, we have to understand and accept our share of the consequences.

The "we" you speak of exists only in your own mind. In fact, you meant those OTHER citizens who won't apologize for being American.

 

[Shogun]

They are connected. One of the reasons we have HIGH illegal immigration is because of conditions in their home nations that the US is in large part responsible for. People are trying to illegally immigrate because the conditions in their home nations are SOOO DIRE they do what most human beings do by nature (human nature)....search for a better standard of living for themselves and their family.
If we stop creating such horrible conditions in their nation, then they are able to improve their situation and then illegal immigration is reduced drastically. Its why we dont have mass illegal immigration from Canada....we dont stage coups, we dont send in death squads etc. Physical and economic terrorism is the part we play and until we stop playing it, we have to understand and accept our share of the consequences.

Im pretty sure that WE are not the reason MEXICO is a shithole. I agree with you on the meddling of the CIA.. indeed, I can see ho the fallout would affect people.. However, the CIA is not the reason Mexico is a shithole. The US is not the reason MExico is a shithole. MEXICO is the reason that MEXICO is a shithole. Sure, Canadia is a nicer place to live than Mexico.. but that's because Canadia follows a different cultural path than Mexico.

I repeat:

WE are not the reason that MExico is a shithole and a crappy place to live. It's not our responsibility to clean up the shitty diaper of Mexico. I can hear the humanitarian arguement and would be open to suggestions to alleviate considtions that we have control over, however, piling millions into a john boat beceause no one wants to learn how to swim wont work. Mexico should learn how to swim on it's own and Mexicans should be the ones to change THEIR homeland instead of running away to ours.

 

[Ruby]

Of course I like Chavez, but that isnt really important. What IS important is that he is popularly backed and supported by Venezuelans. We shouldnt interfere in their nations self determination and they have had to fight hard against the US as well as corrupt puppets of the US to achieve what they have and they have a very long and difficult road ahead. Its not easy to fix decades of US dominance. It says so much about your character that you wish a whole nation of people continued to suffer and be denied their rights to self determine because you are so misguided as to believe the US will somehow prosper from their suffering.

You can toss around the word "traitor" all you like, it dosent have much of an affect on me. Coming from you, its more of a compliment..so thank you

So now you are trying to rationalize US sponsored terrorism as "needed". Its not "needed" to overthrow other nations leaders and force them into abject poverty. IF that is what the US is based on, then it would indeed be an evil nation. The truth is that the US dosent NEED this and its done for the same ones who own the US govt and use it for their own purposes and get people like you to actually support whats in their best interest and not in yours.

The US isnt an evil nation, we are a nation that does some very evil things and mis-used our power and position and because of that, will definitely lose it faster than we would have otherwise. We arent the first to do so, and most likely not the last. The sad part is that we could have done it better, we could have been the one of the first (if not the very first) to have done REAL GOOD with such large amounts of power and we certainly could have done so without destroying our neighbors and so many of our fellow human beings.

 

[CSM]

Of course I like Chavez, but that isnt really important. What IS important is that he is popularly backed and supported by Venezuelans. We shouldnt interfere in their nations self determination and they have had to fight hard against the US as well as corrupt puppets of the US to achieve what they have and they have a very long and difficult road ahead. Its not easy to fix decades of US dominance. It says so much about your character that you wish a whole nation of people continued to suffer and be denied their rights to self determine because you are so misguided as to believe the US will somehow prosper from their suffering.

You can toss around the word "traitor" all you like, it dosent have much of an affect on me. Coming from you, its more of a compliment..so thank you

So now you are trying to rationalize US sponsored terrorism as "needed". Its not "needed" to overthrow other nations leaders and force them into abject poverty. IF that is what the US is based on, then it would indeed be an evil nation. The truth is that the US dosent NEED this and its done for the same ones who own the US govt and use it for their own purposes and get people like you to actually support whats in their best interest and not in yours.

The US isnt an evil nation, we are a nation that does some very evil things and mis-used our power and position and because of that, will definitely lose it faster than we would have otherwise. We arent the first to do so, and most likely not the last. The sad part is that we could have done it better, we could have been the one of the first (if not the very first) to have done REAL GOOD with such large amounts of power and we certainly could have done so without destroying our neighbors and so many of our fellow human beings.

Gee, if we only had listened to the likes of you! We could be just like...like...France!

 

[doniston]

But back to the anchor baby bullshit. If the parent is here illegally and has a kid that kid should not be a citizen period.

QUOTE] Maybe because it is part of the constitution

 

[Shogun]

a constitution that can, and should, be fixed of that little quirk much like how the ninth amendment should be clarified since we don't agree on that one either...