Both sides of the coin

[Peterf]

Seriously though, what us the point of playing nice? Do you actually think you can change the minds of anyone here? I came from a over-regulated site (so did you boop), where abusing others and name-calling was not allowed. Nothing gets accomplished there either. Most people know that I don't shy away from calling people names and generally being obnoxious, but I'm not that way in real life so I don't worry about it. Call an asfedora an asfedora or worse. It really makes no difference and if someone takes things said on an internet message board seriously well, that's their problem isn't it?

As far as the ignore button well, that works if you only care for those discussions in which people either agree with you or won't offend your delegate sensibilities. I only have one person on ignore and that is because his complete inability to post anything in the least interesting can't make up for his obnoxious overuse of smilies.

Just my opinion.

I suggest that everyone who posts on message boards wants, at some level, to be respected. At least respected and at best admired. Do you not think that you forfeit respect when you call people names and are 'generally being obnoxious'? This seems so obvious to me that I cannot understand why others find it so difficult to grasp this rather simple concept.

 

[BDBoop]

Seriously though, what us the point of playing nice? Do you actually think you can change the minds of anyone here? I came from a over-regulated site (so did you boop), where abusing others and name-calling was not allowed. Nothing gets accomplished there either. Most people know that I don't shy away from calling people names and generally being obnoxious, but I'm not that way in real life so I don't worry about it. Call an asfedora an asfedora or worse. It really makes no difference and if someone takes things said on an internet message board seriously well, that's their problem isn't it?

As far as the ignore button well, that works if you only care for those discussions in which people either agree with you or won't offend your delegate sensibilities. I only have one person on ignore and that is because his complete inability to post anything in the least interesting can't make up for his obnoxious overuse of smilies.

Just my opinion.

I suggest that everyone who posts on message boards wants, at some level, to be respected. At least respected and at best admired. Do you not think that you forfeit respect when you call people names and are 'generally being obnoxious'? This seems so obvious to me that I cannot understand why others find it so difficult to grasp this rather simple concept.

Or, at the very least, heard. I refer to this as the "Jane, you ignorant slut" style of posting.

Also, I have a very tough time getting past the partisan barrage. I simply cannot ascribe value to the opinions of those who think that speaking in negative generalities is going to get them anywhere.

The shoe fits. I am liberal. I am a Democrat. I am progressive. I support our President. I have respect for not just the office, but the man.

Apparently this means I have no brains whatsoever and I just fell off the turnip truck last night, and verbally abusing me will bring me to my senses.

 

[Darkwind]

Asphedoras?

Is that a nice way of saying asshole?

= Fedora. Asshat.

I used to have a smiley of an asshat.

Here, you can borrow mine..

 

[BDBoop]

And wouldn't it be swell if we could just have this talk, rather than degenerating into partisan bullshit?

Ta.

 

[eagle1462010]

Except real debate is not supposed to be about starting a fight, and it is not supposed to be about demonizing a person, it's supposed to be about vigorously defending your ideas/ideals by applying logic and at the same time, deconstructing the ideas/ ideals of your opponent by using logic as well.

Two great debators should be able to shake hands before and after a really rough and rugged debate and not think ill of each other.

An opponent is not an enemy.

Making someone else the "demon" just because he does not share your ideology or culture is the cheap way out, imo. It requires the least energy of all. So, essentially, trolls are lazy asses.

For instance, Tank wrote this:



Instead of attacking the idea, he attacked the person. That is the cheap way out. And notice the Nazi who thanked him for his input. That speaks volumes.

Hey, [MENTION=18975]Tank[/MENTION], instead of attacking a person, why not bring some information to the table?

To HELL with Political Correctness.............When Ideals are so opposite, there is WAR........And in a War of words there will be mean things said and mud slinging. It's the nature of the beast..............

There is a divide in this country...........A line in the sand of opposing positions....Both sides dedicated to their core principles............In the fight, feelings will get hurt and words will be said...............

Tank's comments aren't wrong..........He believes that the Liberal mindset escapes REALITY...........and I agree....................

Should PC demand that he shouldn't say that.........It is his opinion, and I agree.........I post based on beliefs, REALITY, logic, and Reason..............NOT EMOTION...........and thus the divide............

Politeness is not Political Correctness. Understand this and your posts will be worth reading. You appear to value reason over emotion. Good! Abuse is occasioned by emotion and will not be resorted to by the reasonable.

I have been posting on various boards since the 90's.......During that time I've played nice and Polite all the time.....................

However, when they call us Anarchists for our opinions, Nazi's and the like which is done all the time I have no REASON to PLAY NICE.................

I ditch PC...............To me it is utter BS..........I can be polite, and often I am just as I can throw mud with the best of them............

These LIBS always say WE NEED TO COMPROMISE WITH THEM..............aka Do as I say and OBEY.........Get to the back of the bus........ignore our facts and REASON all the time..........and when we refuse to OBEY they simply LIE and call us names..............

They have refused to cut ANYTHING EXCEPT Sequster which was an Obama plan.........and then cry like babies about a 1% cut as they increase the size of Gov't.

That isn't compromise...........It isn't compromise when they purposely ignore the Damage done by Obamacare, and the Debt problem..............

They can spare me the Faux Outrage on this issue...........When they finally come to the table with REASONABLE approaches to BIG GOV'T, then we can talk.......Until then THEY CAN GO TO HELL...........

That's the deal..............

Anyone who doesn't like it can iggy me, or simply choose not to engage..........But should they decide to engage, I will not back down on my principles..........And when they call me Anarchist and a Nazi..................they will get it back from me.

 

[Darkwind]

And wouldn't it be swell if we could just have this talk, rather than degenerating into partisan bullshit?

Ta.

Oh come on. That was funny.....

 

[BDBoop]

And wouldn't it be swell if we could just have this talk, rather than degenerating into partisan bullshit?

Ta.

Oh come on. That was funny.....

Humor as deflection? Sure, why not.

 

[Darkwind]

And wouldn't it be swell if we could just have this talk, rather than degenerating into partisan bullshit?

Ta.

Oh come on. That was funny.....

Humor as deflection? Sure, why not.

No, humor because it was funny....It is impossible to pass up an lead in like that.....LOL

 

[BlackSand]

Or, at the very least, heard. I refer to this as the "Jane, you ignorant slut" style of posting.

Also, I have a very tough time getting past the partisan barrage. I simply cannot ascribe value to the opinions of those who think that speaking in negative generalities is going to get them anywhere.

The shoe fits. I am liberal. I am a Democrat. I am progressive. I support our President. I have respect for not just the office, but the man.

Apparently this means I have no brains whatsoever and I just fell off the turnip truck last night, and verbally abusing me will bring me to my senses.

Your negativity and negative generalities don't sound any different to the rest of us.
If you are not willing to remove yourself from the same practices ... You get what you deserve.

.

 

[BDBoop]

Oh come on. That was funny.....

Humor as deflection? Sure, why not.

No, humor because it was funny....It is impossible to pass up an lead in like that.....LOL

Of course.

Gimme a holler if you feel like discussing the subject.

 

[Darkwind]

Humor as deflection? Sure, why not.

No, humor because it was funny....It is impossible to pass up an lead in like that.....LOL

Of course.

Gimme a holler if you feel like discussing the subject.

No thanks. I've discussed this subject to death over the past 15 years.

I'll leave you to it and go chase some video time at Lynda.com. I need to get some Dreamweaver kinks worked out in My database strategy anyway....

Have a good day lass.

 

[Pogo]

To HELL with Political Correctness.............When Ideals are so opposite, there is WAR........And in a War of words there will be mean things said and mud slinging. It's the nature of the beast..............

There is a divide in this country...........A line in the sand of opposing positions....Both sides dedicated to their core principles............In the fight, feelings will get hurt and words will be said...............

Tank's comments aren't wrong..........He believes that the Liberal mindset escapes REALITY...........and I agree....................

Should PC demand that he shouldn't say that.........It is his opinion, and I agree.........I post based on beliefs, REALITY, logic, and Reason..............NOT EMOTION...........and thus the divide............

Politeness is not Political Correctness. Understand this and your posts will be worth reading. You appear to value reason over emotion. Good! Abuse is occasioned by emotion and will not be resorted to by the reasonable.

I have been posting on various boards since the 90's.......During that time I've played nice and Polite all the time.....................

However, when they call us Anarchists for our opinions, Nazi's and the like which is done all the time I have no REASON to PLAY NICE.................

I ditch PC...............To me it is utter BS..........I can be polite, and often I am just as I can throw mud with the best of them............

These LIBS always say WE NEED TO COMPROMISE WITH THEM..............aka Do as I say and OBEY.........Get to the back of the bus........ignore our facts and REASON all the time..........and when we refuse to OBEY they simply LIE and call us names..............

They have refused to cut ANYTHING EXCEPT Sequster which was an Obama plan.........and then cry like babies about a 1% cut as they increase the size of Gov't.

That isn't compromise...........It isn't compromise when they purposely ignore the Damage done by Obamacare, and the Debt problem..............

They can spare me the Faux Outrage on this issue...........When they finally come to the table with REASONABLE approaches to BIG GOV'T, then we can talk.......Until then THEY CAN GO TO HELL...........

That's the deal..............

Anyone who doesn't like it can iggy me, or simply choose not to engage..........But should they decide to engage, I will not back down on my principles..........And when they call me Anarchist and a Nazi..................they will get it back from me.

You keep dipping into this "PC" well. Doesn't make a lot of sense. What is it you think "PC" means, as you're using the term?

Second observation: your delivery style contradicts your earlier claim to be reason-based. It's pure emotionality. The jumps to ALL CAPS... the "THEY CAN GO TO HELL" -- is hardly the stuff of cold logic.

 

[eagle1462010]

Politeness is not Political Correctness. Understand this and your posts will be worth reading. You appear to value reason over emotion. Good! Abuse is occasioned by emotion and will not be resorted to by the reasonable.

I have been posting on various boards since the 90's.......During that time I've played nice and Polite all the time.....................

However, when they call us Anarchists for our opinions, Nazi's and the like which is done all the time I have no REASON to PLAY NICE.................

I ditch PC...............To me it is utter BS..........I can be polite, and often I am just as I can throw mud with the best of them............

These LIBS always say WE NEED TO COMPROMISE WITH THEM..............aka Do as I say and OBEY.........Get to the back of the bus........ignore our facts and REASON all the time..........and when we refuse to OBEY they simply LIE and call us names..............

They have refused to cut ANYTHING EXCEPT Sequster which was an Obama plan.........and then cry like babies about a 1% cut as they increase the size of Gov't.

That isn't compromise...........It isn't compromise when they purposely ignore the Damage done by Obamacare, and the Debt problem..............

They can spare me the Faux Outrage on this issue...........When they finally come to the table with REASONABLE approaches to BIG GOV'T, then we can talk.......Until then THEY CAN GO TO HELL...........

That's the deal..............

Anyone who doesn't like it can iggy me, or simply choose not to engage..........But should they decide to engage, I will not back down on my principles..........And when they call me Anarchist and a Nazi..................they will get it back from me.

You keep dipping into this "PC" well. Doesn't make a lot of sense. What is it you think "PC" means, as you're using the term?

Second observation: your delivery style contradicts your earlier claim to be reason-based. It's pure emotionality. The jumps to ALL CAPS... the "THEY CAN GO TO HELL" -- is hardly the stuff of cold logic.

PC is political correctness as you already know...........

Which part of my statements on how I don't care about PC don't you understand.........All CAPS, SO WHAT...............

This is not a FACT BASED DISCUSSION...............It's about politeness and PC.......I'm usually Polite on most threads, but when it goes in the toilet I fire back............

This isn't an OP about a subject like the Debt, or Obamacare..........It's about posting in general..................And on those threads I post a lot of reference material to back up my claims..............

Exactly what do I need to post as reference material on this thread.....................

Some PSYCHOLOGY DRIBBLE ARTICLE.............

Either way.......there is a divide in this country......The Libs are refusing to budge on principles but demanding that we do.................Excuse me for telling them to get lost until they come to the table.............With real cuts and COMPROMISE...............As all they do is say OBEY all the time, which we refuse to do so.........

And again, I have no reason to be polite to those calling my stance on Gov't Anarchists and Nazi's.................

Take this post and my way of posting any way you like..........What ever floats your boat.

 

[PredFan]

I would rather "play nice" and enjoy a conversation with someone and maybe learn something EGADS!! than be trying to outwit them in a name-calling spree. Probably, because I suck at name-calling, but I rather enjoy learning something new.

Immie

I would agree with you if I were to learn something. I know better than to get my knowledge from an Internet message board.

That said I DO learn about the positions held by the left on any given subject, but I can get that information AND point out the idiots along the way. It's a win-win situation.

Basically, what I feel I have learned on these sites is a lot about the positions of my opponents. For instance, I am pro-life. I used to believe that everyone who is pro-choice was truly pro-abortion. But then conversing with them (something barely allowed on this site anymore) I found that most of them were as opposed to abortion as I was but were much more opposed to the idea of government interference, which is a position I completely agree with.

We do not have to treat an opponent with contempt. If we just give them a chance, we might find that they are not the monsters we once thought they were.

Immie

Understood, but my point is that you can still get their opinions despite rants against them. There are a lot of liberals here who don't let name calling stop them, and I give them credit for that much.

 

[BDBoop]

Your message gets lost in the madness. It's like the raging version of 'too long, didn't read.'

This is my cyber home. Some people want their home to be like an Italian family dinner, - that'd be me. Fun. Full of wit, humor, good times. Tailgating. That kind of thing.

Some are apparently more comfortable hanging out at Stand Up Franks, where the liquor keeps coming provided you remain standing. Vulgarity, brawls, rage, cheap shots. That's their comfort zone.

It's not mine.

There's no reason the two can't exist in the same airspace. I just need to use the ignore button.

 

[PredFan]

Seriously though, what us the point of playing nice? Do you actually think you can change the minds of anyone here? I came from a over-regulated site (so did you boop), where abusing others and name-calling was not allowed. Nothing gets accomplished there either. Most people know that I don't shy away from calling people names and generally being obnoxious, but I'm not that way in real life so I don't worry about it. Call an asfedora an asfedora or worse. It really makes no difference and if someone takes things said on an internet message board seriously well, that's their problem isn't it?

As far as the ignore button well, that works if you only care for those discussions in which people either agree with you or won't offend your delegate sensibilities. I only have one person on ignore and that is because his complete inability to post anything in the least interesting can't make up for his obnoxious overuse of smilies.

Just my opinion.

I suggest that everyone who posts on message boards wants, at some level, to be respected. At least respected and at best admired. Do you not think that you forfeit respect when you call people names and are 'generally being obnoxious'? This seems so obvious to me that I cannot understand why others find it so difficult to grasp this rather simple concept.

I can grasp the concept just fine it's just that the concept doesn't necessarily reflect reality. I agree that there are those who wish to be respected, however I am not one of them and I know that there are a large number if people here who feel the way that I do. In addition, even though I probably get little respect from some people, I know that there are others that I do get respect from. It's a wash basically.

The people I call names and act obnoxious to are not people that I care what they think about me. In fact I learned a long time ago that you cannot control what others think and it is a waste of your time to try.

 

[PredFan]

Seriously though, what us the point of playing nice? Do you actually think you can change the minds of anyone here? I came from a over-regulated site (so did you boop), where abusing others and name-calling was not allowed. Nothing gets accomplished there either. Most people know that I don't shy away from calling people names and generally being obnoxious, but I'm not that way in real life so I don't worry about it. Call an asfedora an asfedora or worse. It really makes no difference and if someone takes things said on an internet message board seriously well, that's their problem isn't it?

As far as the ignore button well, that works if you only care for those discussions in which people either agree with you or won't offend your delegate sensibilities. I only have one person on ignore and that is because his complete inability to post anything in the least interesting can't make up for his obnoxious overuse of smilies.

Just my opinion.

I suggest that everyone who posts on message boards wants, at some level, to be respected. At least respected and at best admired. Do you not think that you forfeit respect when you call people names and are 'generally being obnoxious'? This seems so obvious to me that I cannot understand why others find it so difficult to grasp this rather simple concept.

Or, at the very least, heard. I refer to this as the "Jane, you ignorant slut" style of posting.

Also, I have a very tough time getting past the partisan barrage. I simply cannot ascribe value to the opinions of those who think that speaking in negative generalities is going to get them anywhere.

The shoe fits. I am liberal. I am a Democrat. I am progressive. I support our President. I have respect for not just the office, but the man.

Apparently this means I have no brains whatsoever and I just fell off the turnip truck last night, and verbally abusing me will bring me to my senses.

Oh, I have no delusions that I can bring you to your senses, with or without the abuse. That laundry list of partisan crap you believe proves that. So I just have fun.

 

[Peterf]

Seriously though, what us the point of playing nice? Do you actually think you can change the minds of anyone here? I came from a over-regulated site (so did you boop), where abusing others and name-calling was not allowed. Nothing gets accomplished there either. Most people know that I don't shy away from calling people names and generally being obnoxious, but I'm not that way in real life so I don't worry about it. Call an asfedora an asfedora or worse. It really makes no difference and if someone takes things said on an internet message board seriously well, that's their problem isn't it?

As far as the ignore button well, that works if you only care for those discussions in which people either agree with you or won't offend your delegate sensibilities. I only have one person on ignore and that is because his complete inability to post anything in the least interesting can't make up for his obnoxious overuse of smilies.

Just my opinion.

I suggest that everyone who posts on message boards wants, at some level, to be respected. At least respected and at best admired. Do you not think that you forfeit respect when you call people names and are 'generally being obnoxious'? This seems so obvious to me that I cannot understand why others find it so difficult to grasp this rather simple concept.

Or, at the very least, heard. I refer to this as the "Jane, you ignorant slut" style of posting.

Also, I have a very tough time getting past the partisan barrage. I simply cannot ascribe value to the opinions of those who think that speaking in negative generalities is going to get them anywhere.

The shoe fits. I am liberal. I am a Democrat. I am progressive. I support our President. I have respect for not just the office, but the man.

Apparently this means I have no brains whatsoever and I just fell off the turnip truck last night, and verbally abusing me will bring me to my senses.

On this BDBoop I am in wholehearted agreement with you. And, I expect, on many other things as well even though politically we are far apart.

If I argue with you it is because you are worth the effort. You have my respect. Often my opponent, never my enemy.

And thank you very much for this excellent thread.

 

[PredFan]

= Fedora. Asshat.

I used to have a smiley of an asshat.

Here, you can borrow mine..

Darkwind has just won the internet!

 

[PredFan]

And wouldn't it be swell if we could just have this talk, rather than degenerating into partisan bullshit?

Ta.

Hmmm, isn't that what the Tea Room or Coffee Shop or whatever that thread is called, is for?