Boehner: Job Creators are essentially on strike.

[Jarhead]

Job creators create jobs because they need the help. Not because someone rubbed their back and told them everything was Ok.

If you own a business it's all about risk, no one creates a business or a job because they feel comfortable with Government. If that is what you are claiming, your business is not and cannot be booming.

you are a little more human than Ravi so I will respond.

This is not the 1700's...where you have very little competitoion.

We are now in a world of technology where you compete with companies all over the world.

I have a client in Portland Oregon...and I am in NYC...my competiton in Portland wishes they had that client.

So anyway....that is where you are missing the point...and so is Ravi.,....

If you are reacting to an increase in demand, YOU ARE WAY TOO LATE.

A smart business owner does not expand as a reaction...becuase by the time they are ready to meet the demand, they have already lost a chance for the business.

A smart business owner must grow in ANTICIPATION of an increase in demand.

In the 1700's...if a man said "I need 4 horseshoes" and you were too busy...you would say, I will hire the Johnson kid...train him..and you will have them next week. And the guy would say to himself...well, it will take me a week just to get to Carson City to have the guy make them over there for me, so I will wait for the Johnson kid to be trained.

It is no longer like that.

here it is again.

Dont run from it ClosedCaption.....
Debate it.
You will learn something.

 

[boedicca]

So ... tax cuts fix everything, even leaky sinks, but are utterly and totally blocked by the simple THREAT of a new regulation?

Good to know.

Oh, and you can't forecast out 6 months?? Honestly?? Grow a pair!

lol...you would be out of business in a matter of days.
Dont quit your day job.
Threat of a simple regulation?

You really have no idea what is going on.

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Because 6 months is a red herring. Businesses don't just plan for 6 months; they plan ahead for years. This is why short term tax credits of $4,000 to hire someone who is going to cost $50K per year each year is silly.

 

[jgarden]

QUESTION: If GOP tax-cut economic policies work, name a Republican president since Nixon (1st term 1969-73) who has actually lowered the national debt/GDP ratio?

I'll even provide a data source to check your answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

 

[Jarhead]

So ... tax cuts fix everything, even leaky sinks, but are utterly and totally blocked by the simple THREAT of a new regulation?

Good to know.

Oh, and you can't forecast out 6 months?? Honestly?? Grow a pair!

lol...you would be out of business in a matter of days.
Dont quit your day job.
Threat of a simple regulation?

You really have no idea what is going on.

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

 

[Sallow]

up until first quarter 2008 there were typical employment in the NYC metropolitan area...despite dramatic technological advances that had reason to lower head count during the decade.

Since about 2002, 2003, I saw something very strange going on in most of the shops I communicated with..jobs were going overseas. New Help Desks..and remote administrators handling servers. As well as code being written offshore. This started slowly but picked up alot speed very quickly. Additionally there were regular employees being let go..and short term consultants filling their spots. Couple this with multiple mergers. A LOT of jobs were lost in the financial sector in NYC. But these people had cushions..they got "packages" when they left so alot of them wound up NOT going on Unemployment (Subsequently..the rules on unemployment changed and you go on unemployment as soon as you are let go...). They also did things like take out loans to open businesses from either their 401ks or Homes. That's the more "nicer" way to look at it. My other theory..which seems to be bearing out on things, Bush "scrubbed" the books to make things seem better then they were.

Republicans now are talking about doing more of the same. And re-patrioting tax rates, lowering tax rates and cutting regulations have done almost nothing to help any economies. They have, however, done a great deal to make the rich..incredibly rich.

yes...you are correct.
But the ones who got the packages were early retirees....that is fact....I wrote many a package for my cleints.
But despite the increase in terchnology AND the overseas employment, the unemployment numbers really didnt increase.
Look at the employment agencies.....we made a killing fromn 2002-2008....and I mean it...a killing.

No they weren't.

I just got a "package"..part of the RIF.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

I am the past President of my trade association in the NYC metro area. I have been doing what I do for 27 years. You do not need to believe me...I really dont care......but the bottom line, it was what I am seeing out there.

And as I pointed out in my last post...if you are sayi8ng the old..."if the demand is there you will meet the demand and grow your company" thing...as I showed you....thgat is not the way businesses work anymore...and it is quite evident that if you dont know this then you are not a business owner...and you are simply regurgitating talking points....like Ravi.

Hang on a minute. regurgitating talking points? You sound like a GOP press release. And whether or not you do have a business, your claims about regulatory uncertainty preventing you doing anything aren't borne out by actual existing businesses that are surveyed every month.

glad I sound like a press release...but I am backing my poiints up....oit is what I do for a living.

I wiull post AGAIN a reason why the typical supply demand thing is garbage and a left wing talking point. I noticed no one on the left responded to it. It makes me woinder why.

Are you backing your posts up with any actual facts and evidence? Because I don't see any. I'm claiming that the major problem right now is demand and I'm backing that up by posting the results of monthly surveys done of small businesses by the country's biggest small business organisation.

Here are more facts and evidence :

McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.

Their response was surprising.

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.

Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say | McClatchy

 

[Raoul_Duke]

lol...you would be out of business in a matter of days.
Dont quit your day job.
Threat of a simple regulation?

You really have no idea what is going on.

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

 

[boedicca]

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

What a creep - demanding PI from a poster.

FOAD.

 

[DontBeStupid]

The Bush tax cuts did create jobs - over 7 million from the time they were fully enacted until the Financial Crisis precipitated the recession.

The huge increase in the debt began when the Dems took over Congress in 2007, and then really exploded in the Obama era. Bush did engage in deficit spending - but NOTHING like Obama's.

Just two quick points of fact:

1) Bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) The national debt increased 86% during George Bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the Dems came in in 2007.

 

[Jarhead]

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

huh?

What does that matter? Lets say I am some 35 year old guy down in mommys basement in my underwear...splitting my time between this site and jerking off to porn...

now...

Please debate what I said......I would like to hear your take on it.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

What a creep - demanding PI from a poster.

FOAD.

I'm demanding business information from him. You may have noticed that businesses aren't shy about promoting themselves on the web. Some of them even pay for advertising so that people surfing the web can read about them. All I want is his business number, that isn't personal at all.

 

[jgarden]

QUESTION: If GOP tax-cut economic policies work, name a Republican president since Nixon (1st term 1969-73) who has actually lowered the national debt/GDP ratio?

I'll even provide a data source to check your answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am a job creator.

I have not created many jobs in the past 3 years.

Actually, I have not created a single job.

I cant take the chance. If Obama is elected to a second term, I fear new regulations, new taxes, cap and trade...all things that will make it impossible to forecast when business planning...

I have never grown my company without first forecasting at least 2 quarters in advance. Right now, I cant forecast.

SO I will not create jobs.

I guess that means I am on strike.

But let me ask you something....

If I hired people and then I realized my operating costs went up due to a new regualtion...and I was on the verge of bankruptcy...and I applied for a loan...would you, the tax payer, want to give it to me?

You're also full of shit.

 

[boedicca]

The Bush tax cuts did create jobs - over 7 million from the time they were fully enacted until the Financial Crisis precipitated the recession.

The huge increase in the debt began when the Dems took over Congress in 2007, and then really exploded in the Obama era. Bush did engage in deficit spending - but NOTHING like Obama's.

Just two quick points of fact:

1) Bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) The national debt increased 86% during George Bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the Dems came in in 2007.

Your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- The economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- Private employment declined to 108.2M in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- In early 2008, private employment was over 115M, an increase of more than 7M.

Compare this to Obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1T deficits has lost 2M jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than Bush did. You won't find me supporting the Bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to Obama's.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

huh?

What does that matter? Lets say I am some 35 year old guy down in mommys basement in my underwear...splitting my time between this site and jerking off to porn...

now...

Please debate what I said......I would like to hear your take on it.

I had a feeling you wouldn't come back with anything. Look, you're making all these claims about your business and they're claims at odds with the vast majority of US business. You're basically just parroting GOP talking points. Now it may be that you're telling the truth, and you have an easy way to prove you are, but you're not taking it.

As far as debate goes, like I already said, exactly how are you "backing up" the claims you're making? Where are actual facts and evidence that i can debate? Also, too; what have you got to say about the facts and evidence that i posted? You know, the stuff diametrically opposed to your claims?

 

[Sallow]

I am a job creator.

I have not created many jobs in the past 3 years.

Actually, I have not created a single job.

I cant take the chance. If Obama is elected to a second term, I fear new regulations, new taxes, cap and trade...all things that will make it impossible to forecast when business planning...

I have never grown my company without first forecasting at least 2 quarters in advance. Right now, I cant forecast.

SO I will not create jobs.

I guess that means I am on strike.

But let me ask you something....

If I hired people and then I realized my operating costs went up due to a new regualtion...and I was on the verge of bankruptcy...and I applied for a loan...would you, the tax payer, want to give it to me?

You're also full of shit.

Um no..he's explaining his perspective.

You should go from there.

 

[Jarhead]

Hang on a minute. regurgitating talking points? You sound like a GOP press release. And whether or not you do have a business, your claims about regulatory uncertainty preventing you doing anything aren't borne out by actual existing businesses that are surveyed every month.

glad I sound like a press release...but I am backing my poiints up....oit is what I do for a living.

I wiull post AGAIN a reason why the typical supply demand thing is garbage and a left wing talking point. I noticed no one on the left responded to it. It makes me woinder why.

Are you backing your posts up with any actual facts and evidence? Because I don't see any. I'm claiming that the major problem right now is demand and I'm backing that up by posting the results of monthly surveys done of small businesses by the country's biggest small business organisation.

Here are more facts and evidence :

McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.

Their response was surprising.

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.

Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say | McClatchy

yes...I gree with this entire post.

However.....the question was not "will you grow in anticipation of demand increases"
At that point, if we were to anticipate an increasein demand, people will call me to write up a business plan as that is the crux of what I do (along with HR solutions)...

And in my plan I will have things such as

1) Increase in operating costs due to EPA regulations -TBD in 2012
2) increase in operating costs due to healthcare law- TBD in 2012
3) increase in statatory cost per employee-TBD in 2012

You see, whereas I admire the enthusiasm of the Obama administration, it is very irresponsible to talk about the thing you WANT to do during a recession that has nothing to do with a recession recovery.

That has been my criticism all along. He panders to his left base by talking about all of the things he wants to do down the road.....but that gives business owners rewason to hold off expanding.

It is basic logic. It is why he is being criticized for concentrating on other things...and not just job creation. It is why he is being criticized for beuing in cmapaign mode.....for him to properly campaign to hois far left base, he needs to talk about all of the "green" things he wants to implement...

Giving busines planners such as myself reason to write TBD after 2012.

Look...deny what I say by questioning my credibility if you wish....but I much prefer you try to deny the logic of what I am saying.

 

[Jarhead]

I am a job creator.

I have not created many jobs in the past 3 years.

Actually, I have not created a single job.

I cant take the chance. If Obama is elected to a second term, I fear new regulations, new taxes, cap and trade...all things that will make it impossible to forecast when business planning...

I have never grown my company without first forecasting at least 2 quarters in advance. Right now, I cant forecast.

SO I will not create jobs.

I guess that means I am on strike.

But let me ask you something....

If I hired people and then I realized my operating costs went up due to a new regualtion...and I was on the verge of bankruptcy...and I applied for a loan...would you, the tax payer, want to give it to me?

You're also full of shit.

Best you got?

 

[Raoul_Duke]

The Bush tax cuts did create jobs - over 7 million from the time they were fully enacted until the Financial Crisis precipitated the recession.

The huge increase in the debt began when the Dems took over Congress in 2007, and then really exploded in the Obama era. Bush did engage in deficit spending - but NOTHING like Obama's.

Just two quick points of fact:

1) Bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) The national debt increased 86% during George Bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the Dems came in in 2007.

Your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- The economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- Private employment declined to 108.2M in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- In early 2008, private employment was over 115M, an increase of more than 7M.

Compare this to Obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1T deficits has lost 2M jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than Bush did. You won't find me supporting the Bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to Obama's.

Here are some facts and evidence about how many jobs Bush created. note, you've got to include the meltdown on his watch, you can't just take his numbers from the high point ;

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

and who is responsible for the deficits :

How Trillion-Dollar Deficits Were Created - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com

 

[DontBeStupid]

lol...you would be out of business in a matter of days.
Dont quit your day job.
Threat of a simple regulation?

You really have no idea what is going on.

Then why don't you enlighten me and everyone else here. Tell us why you can't forecast out 6 months because of threats that might occur after the 2012 election.

Simple...

Right now my operating costs vs my revenue come out with an acceptable return....barely

I see an increase in GDP that is quite sluggish..barely existant.
I hear of tasks from economists of a double dip.
My clients are not considering expansion right now

I do not anticipate an increase in business so to expand now would result in equal revenue, but an increase in operating costs and that may put my numbers in the red.

In the meantime, I still do not know exactly what the premiums for my emplyees healthcare will be come 2012 when the entire healthcare law goes into affect. I have been told it will not increase at all by Mr. Obama and I have been told it may increase by as much as 14-16%...increasing my staattoiry costs for each employee to well over 25% of base salary....putting my operating costs to revenue of todays dollars to, at best, a zero net gain.

So for me to try to forecast during such an uncertain time is futile....and If I can not forecast, it would be irrespopnsible to grow.

And in an effort to grow my company head count wise to satisfy your selfish needs, I may go out of business costing ALL of my employees their jobs.

So, after making this comment:

if you are sayi8ng the old..."if the demand is there you will meet the demand and grow your company" thing...as I showed you....thgat is not the way businesses work anymore

You then go on to give us an explanation that is 50% about demand. You don't anticipate an increase in business. It's as simple as that. If you anticipated a 20% increase in business for 2012, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If demand is there, businesses will find a way.

Oh, and I should also point out, your explanation said nothing about the threat of future regulations. Nothing.