Boehner: Job Creators are essentially on strike.

[jgarden]

the bush tax cuts did create jobs - over 7 million from the time they were fully enacted until the financial crisis precipitated the recession.

The huge increase in the debt began when the dems took over congress in 2007, and then really exploded in the obama era. Bush did engage in deficit spending - but nothing like obama's.

just two quick points of fact:

1) bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) the national debt increased 86% during george bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the dems came in in 2007.

your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- the economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- private employment declined to 108.2m in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- in early 2008, private employment was over 115m, an increase of more than 7m.

Compare this to obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1t deficits has lost 2m jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than bush did. You won't find me supporting the bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to obama's.

sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources

 

[DontBeStupid]

Your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- The economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- Private employment declined to 108.2M in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- In early 2008, private employment was over 115M, an increase of more than 7M.

Compare this to Obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1T deficits has lost 2M jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than Bush did. You won't find me supporting the Bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to Obama's.

I don't want to derail this thread, but needless to say, I think the only thing you got right there was the date of 9/11.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

glad I sound like a press release...but I am backing my poiints up....oit is what I do for a living.

I wiull post AGAIN a reason why the typical supply demand thing is garbage and a left wing talking point. I noticed no one on the left responded to it. It makes me woinder why.

Are you backing your posts up with any actual facts and evidence? Because I don't see any. I'm claiming that the major problem right now is demand and I'm backing that up by posting the results of monthly surveys done of small businesses by the country's biggest small business organisation.

Here are more facts and evidence :

McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.

Their response was surprising.

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.

Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say | McClatchy

yes...I gree with this entire post.

However.....the question was not "will you grow in anticipation of demand increases"
At that point, if we were to anticipate an increasein demand, people will call me to write up a business plan as that is the crux of what I do (along with HR solutions)...

And in my plan I will have things such as

1) Increase in operating costs due to EPA regulations -TBD in 2012
2) increase in operating costs due to healthcare law- TBD in 2012
3) increase in statatory cost per employee-TBD in 2012

You see, whereas I admire the enthusiasm of the Obama administration, it is very irresponsible to talk about the thing you WANT to do during a recession that has nothing to do with a recession recovery.

That has been my criticism all along. He panders to his left base by talking about all of the things he wants to do down the road.....but that gives business owners rewason to hold off expanding.

It is basic logic. It is why he is being criticized for concentrating on other things...and not just job creation. It is why he is being criticized for beuing in cmapaign mode.....for him to properly campaign to hois far left base, he needs to talk about all of the "green" things he wants to implement...

Giving busines planners such as myself reason to write TBD after 2012.

Look...deny what I say by questioning my credibility if you wish....but I much prefer you try to deny the logic of what I am saying.

Again, all you're doing in this post is parroting GOP propaganda -- healthcare cost uncertainty! environmental uncertainty! -- and claiming that you've got a business and together these two things are supposed to constitute an argument. I see no facts or evidence here, just more claims that you could easily back up but refuse to.


And exactly what healthcare or environmental uncertainty is there? The healthcare bill has been enacted and cap and trade has been dropped for the forseeable future.

 

[Jarhead]

Does your company have a website? Can you prove to us you actually have a business? You must have some web presence, even if it's just an address and telephone number in a trade directory. Every firm of any size is in multiple ones. let us know who you are and I'll call you at the number so you can prove you're legit!

huh?

What does that matter? Lets say I am some 35 year old guy down in mommys basement in my underwear...splitting my time between this site and jerking off to porn...

now...

Please debate what I said......I would like to hear your take on it.

I had a feeling you wouldn't come back with anything. Look, you're making all these claims about your business and they're claims at odds with the vast majority of US business. You're basically just parroting GOP talking points. Now it may be that you're telling the truth, and you have an easy way to prove you are, but you're not taking it.

As far as debate goes, like I already said, exactly how are you "backing up" the claims you're making? Where are actual facts and evidence that i can debate? Also, too; what have you got to say about the facts and evidence that i posted? You know, the stuff diametrically opposed to your claims?

Are you serious?

I dont let my clients know my ideological and political leanings....you think I want to post my identity on here?
You question my credibility by my not willing to post my identity?
Really?
Would you? Are you aware of how that can put someone out of business overnight?

Let me put it to you this way...

I am a NYS sub chapter (s) corporation. I have been in my industry for 27 years....and a business owner for over 15 of them. I currently have 2 companies...one that is a business planning firm and the other is a human resource strategies firm....

I take distributions based on my net...and I have a multitude of w-4 employees on payroll...and a handdful that are 1099 consultants. I just completed my 2010 corporate return extension and it was mailed just yestersday...not many know that corporate extensions are due by 9-15 of the following year. I have a corproate seal...an interactive webite that eclipsed 1 million hits this year.....(granted, I am responsible for at least 250,000 of them)....

Lets see...what else can I say...

I have an operatring account...a payroll account...and an corporate credit line.

I run payroll through my payroll service...Paychex.....every 15th of ther month and every last day of the month.

Now...thats a shit load to make up.

 

[Sallow]

The Bush tax cuts did create jobs - over 7 million from the time they were fully enacted until the Financial Crisis precipitated the recession.

The huge increase in the debt began when the Dems took over Congress in 2007, and then really exploded in the Obama era. Bush did engage in deficit spending - but NOTHING like Obama's.

Just two quick points of fact:

1) Bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) The national debt increased 86% during George Bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the Dems came in in 2007.

Your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- The economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- Private employment declined to 108.2M in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- In early 2008, private employment was over 115M, an increase of more than 7M.

Compare this to Obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1T deficits has lost 2M jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than Bush did. You won't find me supporting the Bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to Obama's.

I love when you post crap you have no idea about. The "Dot.com" bust was VERY mild. It actually had the cleansing effect so many conservative "economists" talk about when weak businesses and weak business models are wiped away by economic reality. What this really should have been called was the "IPO" bubble. Venture capital and investment dollars were following into a multitude of companies with no real business plan. When they went bust..it caused some jitters in the market..but it mostly recovered by the time Bush was in. And the "nuclear winter" was suffered by hardware companies like HP and Cisco because of the initial flood of gear from busted dot.com companies into the market place. That was reasonably short for much the same reasons..evolution of the product. Cisco came up with faster switches and HP came up with blade technology that ran on new faster OSes like RHEL.

And considering that Bush inherited a SURPLUS, it's laughable what you posted about deficits.

Really..what is it you do for a Job?

 

[Raoul_Duke]

huh?

What does that matter? Lets say I am some 35 year old guy down in mommys basement in my underwear...splitting my time between this site and jerking off to porn...

now...

Please debate what I said......I would like to hear your take on it.

I had a feeling you wouldn't come back with anything. Look, you're making all these claims about your business and they're claims at odds with the vast majority of US business. You're basically just parroting GOP talking points. Now it may be that you're telling the truth, and you have an easy way to prove you are, but you're not taking it.

As far as debate goes, like I already said, exactly how are you "backing up" the claims you're making? Where are actual facts and evidence that i can debate? Also, too; what have you got to say about the facts and evidence that i posted? You know, the stuff diametrically opposed to your claims?

Are you serious?

I dont let my clients know my ideological and political leanings....you think I want to post my identity on here?
You question my credibility by my not willing to post my identity?
Really?
Would you? Are you aware of how that can put someone out of business overnight?

Let me put it to you this way...

I am a NYS sub chapter (s) corporation. I have been in my industry for 27 years....and a business owner for over 15 of them. I currently have 2 companies...one that is a business planning firm and the other is a human resource strategies firm....

I take distributions based on my net...and I have a multitude of w-4 employees on payroll...and a handdful that are 1099 consultants. I just completed my 2010 corporate return extension and it was mailed just yestersday...not many know that corporate extensions are due by 9-15 of the following year. I have a corproate seal...an interactive webite that eclipsed 1 million hits this year.....(granted, I am responsible for at least 250,000 of them)....

Lets see...what else can I say...

I have an operatring account...a payroll account...and an corporate credit line.

I run payroll through my payroll service...Paychex.....every 15th of ther month and every last day of the month.

Now...thats a shit load to make up.

It took you a while to come up with that one. I'm guessing your first reply, the 30 year old guy in the basement one, is the more accurate one.

 

[BDBoop]

Boehner is right, we need to sacrifice more jobs to appease the jobs fairy so that it will look kindly upon us and create more jobs.

He went alot further then that. This was a bad speech..it's going to be torn apart like crazy.

He's lost his ever-lovin mind. Damn Merlot.

Two sentences from John Boehner’s speech - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

House Speaker John Boehner just gave a speech outlining the GOP’s ideas for jobs creation and its prescriptions for the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. I thought I’d highlight two sentences from it. There was this:

If we want to create a better environment for job creation, politicians of all stripes can leave the “my way or the highway” philosophy behind.

And there was also this:

Tax increases, however, are not a viable option for the Joint Committee.

Dumbass.

 

[Jarhead]

Are you backing your posts up with any actual facts and evidence? Because I don't see any. I'm claiming that the major problem right now is demand and I'm backing that up by posting the results of monthly surveys done of small businesses by the country's biggest small business organisation.

Here are more facts and evidence :

McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.

Their response was surprising.

None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.

Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say | McClatchy

yes...I gree with this entire post.

However.....the question was not "will you grow in anticipation of demand increases"
At that point, if we were to anticipate an increasein demand, people will call me to write up a business plan as that is the crux of what I do (along with HR solutions)...

And in my plan I will have things such as

1) Increase in operating costs due to EPA regulations -TBD in 2012
2) increase in operating costs due to healthcare law- TBD in 2012
3) increase in statatory cost per employee-TBD in 2012

You see, whereas I admire the enthusiasm of the Obama administration, it is very irresponsible to talk about the thing you WANT to do during a recession that has nothing to do with a recession recovery.

That has been my criticism all along. He panders to his left base by talking about all of the things he wants to do down the road.....but that gives business owners rewason to hold off expanding.

It is basic logic. It is why he is being criticized for concentrating on other things...and not just job creation. It is why he is being criticized for beuing in cmapaign mode.....for him to properly campaign to hois far left base, he needs to talk about all of the "green" things he wants to implement...

Giving busines planners such as myself reason to write TBD after 2012.

Look...deny what I say by questioning my credibility if you wish....but I much prefer you try to deny the logic of what I am saying.

Again, all you're doing in this post is parroting GOP propaganda -- healthcare cost uncertainty! environmental uncertainty! -- and claiming that you've got a business and together these two things are supposed to constitute an argument. I see no facts or evidence here, just more claims that you could easily back up but refuse to.


And exactly what healthcare or environmental uncertainty is there? The healthcare bill has been enacted and cap and trade has been dropped for the forseeable future.

now wait a minute....

Why is it parroting GOP propoganda anymore than what you are doing is parroting left propoganda?

I mean, I personally hate that argument...If I say something....I am parroting Rush if he ALKSO said it.

So if I say the sky is blue and so does Rush...am I saying it becuase Rush said it?
Dam..I hate that argument.

Anyway...as for healthcare....there is great uncertainty.....

Obama said it will decreasehealthcare costs....

This year alone we have seen the costs rise on OUR plan by over 15%.....and that was AFTER it was passed.

However, the mandatory purchase of healthcare is in the courts...THAT is going to either make premiums skyrocket (if the courrtsd find it unconsitutional) or simply increase as they do every year.

Thus why my industry and many other lobbied (to no avail) to have it go to the SCOYTUS immediately...but the White House refused.....

But trust me...if the mandatory purchase of healthcare is tossed out...then people will game the system....and not purchase healthcare until they need it...and premiums will skyrocket by well over 100%...and per the other terms of the law, corporations will bear the brunt of it...

Am I wasting my time with you? Be honest. I am making very valid points...but if I am wasting my time...tell me.

 

[boedicca]

just two quick points of fact:

1) bush's tax cuts were never a 3-step plan. When he passed the cuts in 2001, they were going to save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed ones in 2002 that would save the economy. Full stop. Then he passed some in 2003 to save the economy. Full stop. To refer to his tax cuts as being "fully implemented" after 2003 is revisionist history.

2) the national debt increased 86% during george bush's time in office. It had increased 50% by the time the dems came in in 2007.

your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- the economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- private employment declined to 108.2m in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- in early 2008, private employment was over 115m, an increase of more than 7m.

Compare this to obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1t deficits has lost 2m jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than bush did. You won't find me supporting the bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to obama's.

sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources

You need a source for 9/11?

Wow.

You can find the private unemployment figures at U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and total federal debt levels here:

United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do some math.

 

[Jarhead]

I had a feeling you wouldn't come back with anything. Look, you're making all these claims about your business and they're claims at odds with the vast majority of US business. You're basically just parroting GOP talking points. Now it may be that you're telling the truth, and you have an easy way to prove you are, but you're not taking it.

As far as debate goes, like I already said, exactly how are you "backing up" the claims you're making? Where are actual facts and evidence that i can debate? Also, too; what have you got to say about the facts and evidence that i posted? You know, the stuff diametrically opposed to your claims?

Are you serious?

I dont let my clients know my ideological and political leanings....you think I want to post my identity on here?
You question my credibility by my not willing to post my identity?
Really?
Would you? Are you aware of how that can put someone out of business overnight?

Let me put it to you this way...

I am a NYS sub chapter (s) corporation. I have been in my industry for 27 years....and a business owner for over 15 of them. I currently have 2 companies...one that is a business planning firm and the other is a human resource strategies firm....

I take distributions based on my net...and I have a multitude of w-4 employees on payroll...and a handdful that are 1099 consultants. I just completed my 2010 corporate return extension and it was mailed just yestersday...not many know that corporate extensions are due by 9-15 of the following year. I have a corproate seal...an interactive webite that eclipsed 1 million hits this year.....(granted, I am responsible for at least 250,000 of them)....

Lets see...what else can I say...

I have an operatring account...a payroll account...and an corporate credit line.

I run payroll through my payroll service...Paychex.....every 15th of ther month and every last day of the month.

Now...thats a shit load to make up.

It took you a while to come up with that one. I'm guessing your first reply, the 30 year old guy in the basement one, is the more accurate one.

I gave it a shot with you. I really thought you wanted a good debate.
You didnt.
You just want to be right.
Go for it.

 

[boedicca]

Your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- The economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- Private employment declined to 108.2M in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- In early 2008, private employment was over 115M, an increase of more than 7M.

Compare this to Obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1T deficits has lost 2M jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than Bush did. You won't find me supporting the Bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to Obama's.

I don't want to derail this thread, but needless to say, I think the only thing you got right there was the date of 9/11.

Which just proves that you don't adhere to the advice in your monicker.

 

[jgarden]

your points of "fact" are misleading.

- 9/11 occurred on 9/11/2001. Have you heard of it?
- the economy, which was already in a recession due to the dotcom meltdown was further damaged.
- private employment declined to 108.2m in 2003 as the tech and related industries endured a "nuclear winter".
- in early 2008, private employment was over 115m, an increase of more than 7m.

Compare this to obamanomics - which after nearly 3 years of $1t deficits has lost 2m jobs.

Obama has increased the federal debt by 60% in less than three years, a far higher rate and volume than bush did. You won't find me supporting the bush deficits, btw. They just pale in comparison to obama's.

sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources - sources

You need a source for 9/11?

Wow.

You can find the private unemployment figures at U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and total federal debt levels here:

United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do some math.

With all due respect, its not MY job to research and track down sources for YOUR argument!

If you're going to cite recent data, just listing the "U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics" with the comment "Do some math" just doesn't cut it - stop STONEWALLING and provide the specific page(s).

 

[Raoul_Duke]

yes...I gree with this entire post.

However.....the question was not "will you grow in anticipation of demand increases"
At that point, if we were to anticipate an increasein demand, people will call me to write up a business plan as that is the crux of what I do (along with HR solutions)...

And in my plan I will have things such as

1) Increase in operating costs due to EPA regulations -TBD in 2012
2) increase in operating costs due to healthcare law- TBD in 2012
3) increase in statatory cost per employee-TBD in 2012

You see, whereas I admire the enthusiasm of the Obama administration, it is very irresponsible to talk about the thing you WANT to do during a recession that has nothing to do with a recession recovery.

That has been my criticism all along. He panders to his left base by talking about all of the things he wants to do down the road.....but that gives business owners rewason to hold off expanding.

It is basic logic. It is why he is being criticized for concentrating on other things...and not just job creation. It is why he is being criticized for beuing in cmapaign mode.....for him to properly campaign to hois far left base, he needs to talk about all of the "green" things he wants to implement...

Giving busines planners such as myself reason to write TBD after 2012.

Look...deny what I say by questioning my credibility if you wish....but I much prefer you try to deny the logic of what I am saying.

Again, all you're doing in this post is parroting GOP propaganda -- healthcare cost uncertainty! environmental uncertainty! -- and claiming that you've got a business and together these two things are supposed to constitute an argument. I see no facts or evidence here, just more claims that you could easily back up but refuse to.


And exactly what healthcare or environmental uncertainty is there? The healthcare bill has been enacted and cap and trade has been dropped for the forseeable future.

now wait a minute....

Why is it parroting GOP propoganda anymore than what you are doing is parroting left propoganda?

I mean, I personally hate that argument...If I say something....I am parroting Rush if he ALKSO said it.

So if I say the sky is blue and so does Rush...am I saying it becuase Rush said it?
Dam..I hate that argument.

Anyway...as for healthcare....there is great uncertainty.....

Obama said it will decreasehealthcare costs....

This year alone we have seen the costs rise on OUR plan by over 15%.....and that was AFTER it was passed.

However, the mandatory purchase of healthcare is in the courts...THAT is going to either make premiums skyrocket (if the courrtsd find it unconsitutional) or simply increase as they do every year.

Thus why my industry and many other lobbied (to no avail) to have it go to the SCOYTUS immediately...but the White House refused.....

But trust me...if the mandatory purchase of healthcare is tossed out...then people will game the system....and not purchase healthcare until they need it...and premiums will skyrocket by well over 100%...and per the other terms of the law, corporations will bear the brunt of it...

Am I wasting my time with you? Be honest. I am making very valid points...but if I am wasting my time...tell me.

It's parroting GOP propaganda because you're saying exactly, word for word what the GOP are saying. Healthcare, environmental regulation etc. I'm not parroting left wing propaganda, I'm posting the results of surveys of actual small businesses. Actual facts and evidence. See the difference?


There's no more uncertainty about helthcare than there was before Obamacare came along. Firstly it only applies to about 45 million people who don't currently have insurance, the vast majority of people in employer-provided healthcare schemes -- like you! -- aren't affected. Your healthcare bill is going up because healthcare is going up. It went up 100% in less than ten years before Obamacare! So you don't even know basic facts about it and you're writing business plans for other businesses? Ha.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Job creators create jobs because they need the help. Not because someone rubbed their back and told them everything was Ok.

If you own a business it's all about risk, no one creates a business or a job because they feel comfortable with Government. If that is what you are claiming, your business is not and cannot be booming.

you are a little more human than Ravi so I will respond.

This is not the 1700's...where you have very little competitoion.

We are now in a world of technology where you compete with companies all over the world.

I have a client in Portland Oregon...and I am in NYC...my competiton in Portland wishes they had that client.

So anyway....that is where you are missing the point...and so is Ravi.,....

If you are reacting to an increase in demand, YOU ARE WAY TOO LATE.

A smart business owner does not expand as a reaction...becuase by the time they are ready to meet the demand, they have already lost a chance for the business.

A smart business owner must grow in ANTICIPATION of an increase in demand.

In the 1700's...if a man said "I need 4 horseshoes" and you were too busy...you would say, I will hire the Johnson kid...train him..and you will have them next week. And the guy would say to himself...well, it will take me a week just to get to Carson City to have the guy make them over there for me, so I will wait for the Johnson kid to be trained.

It is no longer like that.

here it is again.

Dont run from it ClosedCaption.....
Debate it.
You will learn something.

I dont know what I'm supposed to debate. No this is not the 1700's and yes they hire in anticipation of business booming. But none of that has anything to do with owning a business is a risk, if business owners do not want risks they are in the wrong business. Govt will never make a business owner feel comfortable about expanding, the business owner has to feel comfortable. If sales are booming, Obamacare doesnt matter, they still need more employees. Period.

 

[BDBoop]

At least some people are honest.

NO company IN THE WORLD will invest in Jack-squat until Buckwheat is gone. The moment he is gone, businesses will explode with orders. Even flaming Liberal business owners are afraid of Buckwheat.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Thank you John Boehner for confirming what I already knew.

And this is why!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZpWej8pF4]I Don't Understand with Obama - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

you are a little more human than Ravi so I will respond.

This is not the 1700's...where you have very little competitoion.

We are now in a world of technology where you compete with companies all over the world.

I have a client in Portland Oregon...and I am in NYC...my competiton in Portland wishes they had that client.

So anyway....that is where you are missing the point...and so is Ravi.,....

If you are reacting to an increase in demand, YOU ARE WAY TOO LATE.

A smart business owner does not expand as a reaction...becuase by the time they are ready to meet the demand, they have already lost a chance for the business.

A smart business owner must grow in ANTICIPATION of an increase in demand.

In the 1700's...if a man said "I need 4 horseshoes" and you were too busy...you would say, I will hire the Johnson kid...train him..and you will have them next week. And the guy would say to himself...well, it will take me a week just to get to Carson City to have the guy make them over there for me, so I will wait for the Johnson kid to be trained.

It is no longer like that.

here it is again.

Dont run from it ClosedCaption.....
Debate it.
You will learn something.

I dont know what I'm supposed to debate. No this is not the 1700's and yes they hire in anticipation of business booming. But none of that has anything to do with owning a business is a risk, if business owners do not want risks they are in the wrong business. Govt will never make a business owner feel comfortable about expanding, the business owner has to feel comfortable. If sales are booming, Obamacare doesnt matter, they still need more employees. Period.

Then why has Booze Allen Hamilton opened an entire division devoted entirely to helping business' navigate as well as mitigate the upcoming effects of Obamacare?

 

[manifold]

Then why has Booze Allen Hamilton opened an entire division devoted entirely to helping business' navigate as well as mitigate the upcoming effects of Obamacare?

Sounds like job creation in action to me.

 

[Jarhead]

you are a little more human than Ravi so I will respond.

This is not the 1700's...where you have very little competitoion.

We are now in a world of technology where you compete with companies all over the world.

I have a client in Portland Oregon...and I am in NYC...my competiton in Portland wishes they had that client.

So anyway....that is where you are missing the point...and so is Ravi.,....

If you are reacting to an increase in demand, YOU ARE WAY TOO LATE.

A smart business owner does not expand as a reaction...becuase by the time they are ready to meet the demand, they have already lost a chance for the business.

A smart business owner must grow in ANTICIPATION of an increase in demand.

In the 1700's...if a man said "I need 4 horseshoes" and you were too busy...you would say, I will hire the Johnson kid...train him..and you will have them next week. And the guy would say to himself...well, it will take me a week just to get to Carson City to have the guy make them over there for me, so I will wait for the Johnson kid to be trained.

It is no longer like that.

here it is again.

Dont run from it ClosedCaption.....
Debate it.
You will learn something.

I dont know what I'm supposed to debate. No this is not the 1700's and yes they hire in anticipation of business booming. But none of that has anything to do with owning a business is a risk, if business owners do not want risks they are in the wrong business. Govt will never make a business owner feel comfortable about expanding, the business owner has to feel comfortable. If sales are booming, Obamacare doesnt matter, they still need more employees. Period.

yes. You are correct. But you are assuming times of prosperity.
When we are in a recovery of a recession business owners react differently.
And this debate has to do with today....noit times of prosperity.
This is NOT the time to take any risks at all....and when you have something as costly as the healthcare law MAY prove to be on the horizon, even less reasons to take a risk exist.

You see, and I can say this from experience....all business owners do not want to always grow, We wil ALWAYS incur growing pains....and there are times where you can deal with the pains and times where you fewar going under becuase of the pains.

In the eyes of a business owner, the time to enact social initiatives is NOT during a recession or a recovery. During times of propserity? Sure...but not now. I made very little money in 2010...and even less in 2009. This year? So far so good...but I am still padding my pockets from my losses over the last two years....so for me to invest money in growing when I see nothing on the horizon is tough enough as it is....but in the meantime I am also watching the healthcare law in the courts....right now we are pretty much at a 50-50 as to whether or not the SCOTUS will toss out the mandatory purchase of insurance clause.....and if they do?
My statatory costs per employee will increase dramatically...so it would be foolish to try to grow now to find out that when all is saiod and done, I will lose my shirt and need to close down.

In essence....I am putting way money in anticipatiuon of serious fianncial iussues shortly down the road.

Now, you couple all of that with my house devaluing from close to 1 million down to 600K..and maiing an avergage of less than 1/3 my income from 2000-2007 over the last 3 years....and well.....I am not going to hire anyone new. Lower my taxes and I will not lay off...and I havent....but grow?

It will be irresponsible.

During a recession was not the time to enact healthcare.

 

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here it is again.

Dont run from it ClosedCaption.....
Debate it.
You will learn something.

I dont know what I'm supposed to debate. No this is not the 1700's and yes they hire in anticipation of business booming. But none of that has anything to do with owning a business is a risk, if business owners do not want risks they are in the wrong business. Govt will never make a business owner feel comfortable about expanding, the business owner has to feel comfortable. If sales are booming, Obamacare doesnt matter, they still need more employees. Period.

Then why has Booze Allen Hamilton opened an entire division devoted entirely to helping business' navigate as well as mitigate the upcoming effects of Obamacare?

when it was martketed we were told it will decreasehealthcare costs.
The very first 6 months showed an increase by 15%

In the meantime, what is happening in the courts is concerning.

If they eliminate the madatory purchase of healthcare, premiums will jump by over 100%....THAT IS A GIVEN.....as people will not purchase healthcare until they need it...which means limited revenue for the uinsurance companies...

But emp;loyers will not be able to game the game. YThey will still need to purchase healthcare for their employees.....and therefore bear the brunt of the increase in premiums.

The whole thing has created such an air of uncertainty...and I understand the left saying it is a talking point.......it is....becuase it is all the business owners are talkiung about.