Big freaking ruh roh: Intel Chair pretty sure FBI had no warrant to record Flynn

[RetiredGySgt]

The obvious answer is that they were monitoring the Russian ambassador's calls, and Flynn got caught.

precisely!

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

The Logan act does NOT apply to an incoming administration you retard.

and it says that WHERE in the Logan Act?

We have ONE President at a time in this Nation.

It says it where is it specifically applies to private citizens, the new admin is not private citizens dumb ass.

 

[Seawytch]

precisely!

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

The Logan act does NOT apply to an incoming administration you retard.

and it says that WHERE in the Logan Act?

We have ONE President at a time in this Nation.

It says it where is it specifically applies to private citizens, the new admin is not private citizens dumb ass.

Trump wasn't in office yet so Flynn was a private citizen.

 

[Care4all]

precisely!

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

The Logan act does NOT apply to an incoming administration you retard.

and it says that WHERE in the Logan Act?

We have ONE President at a time in this Nation.

It says it where is it specifically applies to private citizens, the new admin is not private citizens dumb ass.

Boy oh boy you certainly are trying real hard to support your new King....but you are failing at it BIG TIME!

Who was Logan, and why was the Logan act created? Logan was a US Senator silly one, and he was a private citizen.

George Logan (September 9, 1753 – April 9, 1821) was an American physician, farmer, legislator and politician from Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. He served in the Pennsylvania state legislature and represented Pennsylvania in the United States Senate.

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Russians were hacking our political institutions and trying very hard to influence our election thru countless fake news stories... the Russian envoys stationed here in the USA were part of that operation. Our Intelligence communities routinely wiretap foreign envoys and those that are deep seeded enemies even more so....if our Intelligence community did not monitor them, it would be negligent!

NO ONE was wire tapping Flynn, that is utter bull crud.

God stupefied Flynn when he made that call to the Russian Ambassador the day the sanctions and booting was issued...Flynn was aware that we wiretap their phones, but I guess he forgot ....

just like he ''forgot'' he spoke to the Russians about Trump reneging the sanctions when he takes power and not to over react to Obama's actions against them.

Flynn did this on Trump's behalf more than likely.

Why he intentionally lied to pence is just nonsensical....why Trump allowed the lie to stay out there is uncomprehendable as well....?

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

 

[Care4all]

The Russians were hacking our political institutions and trying very hard to influence our election thru countless fake news stories... the Russian envoys stationed here in the USA were part of that operation. Our Intelligence communities routinely wiretap foreign envoys and those that are deep seeded enemies even more so....if our Intelligence community did not monitor them, it would be negligent!

NO ONE was wire tapping Flynn, that is utter bull crud.

God stupefied Flynn when he made that call to the Russian Ambassador the day the sanctions and booting was issued...Flynn was aware that we wiretap their phones, but I guess he forgot ....

just like he ''forgot'' he spoke to the Russians about Trump reneging the sanctions when he takes power and not to over react to Obama's actions against them.

Flynn did this on Trump's behalf more than likely.

Why he intentionally lied to pence is just nonsensical....why Trump allowed the lie to stay out there is uncomprehendable as well....?

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

but you must also realize, that a propaganda strong enemy entity out there, may also be trying to make us think that our own intelligence agencies can not be trusted, and this is all for simply political harm, when it truly is patriotic Americans that do not want to see our country harmed....

 

[Seawytch]

The Russians were hacking our political institutions and trying very hard to influence our election thru countless fake news stories... the Russian envoys stationed here in the USA were part of that operation. Our Intelligence communities routinely wiretap foreign envoys and those that are deep seeded enemies even more so....if our Intelligence community did not monitor them, it would be negligent!

NO ONE was wire tapping Flynn, that is utter bull crud.

God stupefied Flynn when he made that call to the Russian Ambassador the day the sanctions and booting was issued...Flynn was aware that we wiretap their phones, but I guess he forgot ....

just like he ''forgot'' he spoke to the Russians about Trump reneging the sanctions when he takes power and not to over react to Obama's actions against them.

Flynn did this on Trump's behalf more than likely.

Why he intentionally lied to pence is just nonsensical....why Trump allowed the lie to stay out there is uncomprehendable as well....?

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

So have you called your representative and demanded an independent investigation?

 

[flacaltenn]

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

but you must also realize, that a propaganda strong enemy entity out there, may also be trying to make us think that our own intelligence agencies can not be trusted, and this is all for simply political harm, when it truly is patriotic Americans that do not want to see our country harmed....

I'm not laughing anymore kiddo. This is serious. And it's our INTEL agencies running this operation. Not someone trying to embarrass them. It's a "deep state" war now. Those people whose budgets are private and KNOW what the mountain of blackmail contains. See some of TODAY'S leaking and dumping here. More Full Leftists Lobotomy Melt Down...

Stuff is getting LEAKED daily to egg this political confrontation and apocalypse on. And they got 10s of millions of pissed partisans SO FOCUSED on Trump and Russia -- that's it's a cake walk for the "spook" community.

 

[flacaltenn]

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

So have you called your representative and demanded an independent investigation?

There can be no "independent" PUBLIC investigation of a covert insurrection within our Intelligence agencies. Just can't happen that way. You need to get rid of the leadership of this country that is COMPROMISED by years of hiding stuff in those dark spaces and who will CLEAN HOUSE in those areas and lock down EVERYTHING in the Pandora's box of blackmail that exists there.

 

[flacaltenn]

Partisans don't BELONG in Science. Partisans don't belong in the Intel Communities. Partisans should be MORE than 2 warring tribes colluding to maintain their power.

I'd crack a joke about partisans do not belong as Message Board moderators --- but I'm not in the mood.

We've screwed up badly as representative democracy and maybe don't DESERVE to survive.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The obvious answer is that they were monitoring the Russian ambassador's calls, and Flynn got caught.

Why would the FBI be monitoring a foreign diplomat? That's called spying, which would be illegal for the FBI to do, would it not?

I believe it's actually legal. The US Government routinely spies on foreign leaders and UN diplomats. That's been proven by Wikileaks releases. But how it relates to Flynn, is very intriguing. It should be investigated.

The FBI does not spy. They are a law enforcement agency. If they are spying, heads need to roll!

The poor guy was set up for sure. The conversation was bugged and then released to the media. There are some very serious problems with this. Crimes may have been committed by those conducting the surveillance. They should be held accountable.

What if the libs trace it back and find out it was ordered by Obama?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The obvious answer is that they were monitoring the Russian ambassador's calls, and Flynn got caught.

precisely!

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

You have no evidence to support that.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

The Logan act does NOT apply to an incoming administration you retard.

and it says that WHERE in the Logan Act?

We have ONE President at a time in this Nation.

It says it where is it specifically applies to private citizens, the new admin is not private citizens dumb ass.

Trump wasn't in office yet so Flynn was a private citizen.

No he was part of the incoming administration which historically calls foreign dignitaries and makes plans for after the inauguration. Obama did in 2008 retard shall we arrest his people too?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Be very SPECIFIC and cite for us ANY law Flynn broke.

he broke
the logan act

The Logan act does NOT apply to an incoming administration you retard.

and it says that WHERE in the Logan Act?

We have ONE President at a time in this Nation.

It says it where is it specifically applies to private citizens, the new admin is not private citizens dumb ass.

Boy oh boy you certainly are trying real hard to support your new King....but you are failing at it BIG TIME!

Who was Logan, and why was the Logan act created? Logan was a US Senator silly one, and he was a private citizen.

George Logan (September 9, 1753 – April 9, 1821) was an American physician, farmer, legislator and politician from Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. He served in the Pennsylvania state legislature and represented Pennsylvania in the United States Senate.

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.

So we should arrest Obama and all his people from 2008 cause they did the SAME thing. Or is that different?

 

[Coyote]

The Russians were hacking our political institutions and trying very hard to influence our election thru countless fake news stories... the Russian envoys stationed here in the USA were part of that operation. Our Intelligence communities routinely wiretap foreign envoys and those that are deep seeded enemies even more so....if our Intelligence community did not monitor them, it would be negligent!

NO ONE was wire tapping Flynn, that is utter bull crud.

God stupefied Flynn when he made that call to the Russian Ambassador the day the sanctions and booting was issued...Flynn was aware that we wiretap their phones, but I guess he forgot ....

just like he ''forgot'' he spoke to the Russians about Trump reneging the sanctions when he takes power and not to over react to Obama's actions against them.

Flynn did this on Trump's behalf more than likely.

Why he intentionally lied to pence is just nonsensical....why Trump allowed the lie to stay out there is uncomprehendable as well....?

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

I'm not sure I see it in that way...quite.

For one thing, I am absolutely convinced Russia was behind the hacks and their purpose was to attempt to influence the election. I don't think you you can get all our diverse intelligence communities on the same page if it wasn't - too much turf fighting and more competition than cooperation.

I think there is another way of looking at what is happening, and that is by the precedents that have been set and the questions they lead to.

Pre-Election
1. Why did Comey do what he did, at those exact times?
2. Why was most of the disinformation and the hacks and leaks pre-election directed towards Clinton?
3. Why did non-political, and traditionally non-partisan agencies/individuals such as military and intelligence come out in favor of Clinton or against Trump?
4. Trump repeatedly insults, dismisses, negates reports from the Intelligence communities.
5. Trump talks about a briefing in a manner which suggests he might lie to politicize it and he might not respect sensitive material in an impulse.
6. Leading figures in Trump's campaign with strong Russian ties.


Post-Election
1. Trump continues to degrade and insult the intelligence community when presented with evidence of Russia's involvement.
2. Trump surrounds himself with a close inner-circle of non-traditional outsider advisors: conspiracy theorists such as Flynn and Bannon, for example.
3. Trump's campaign staff, current advisors and cabinet include a number of people with strong Russian links.
4. Trump's Administration is in crisis mode - he has picked people who are competitive with each other, information is not shared along traditional chanels, if at all, there is internal fighting and a profound lack of trust inside.
5. Anomolies are showing up. Flynn talking with Russia - telling them not to worry about the sanctions - before Trump was even sworn into office.
6. Putin's highly unusual decision to not retaliate tit for tat in typical fashion over the expulsion of Russian spies and diplomats. It was this which flagged the Intelligence services to look over tapes of the wiretapping of Russian diplomats.
7. Flynn had lied to the VP, and the VP had defended him, and the VP was kept IN THE DARK for two weeks about this - a highly unusual lack of communication (and respect for) the man who is supposed to be closest to the President, and the #2 person in charge.

Resulting chaos
1. Leaks leaks leaks
2. Flynn resigns.

How to interpret it?
1. There is a deep distrust and unease of the President and his staff coming from the Intelligence community both civilian and military...and other agencies and a President who doesn't take it seriously. I don't ever recall such a situation before.
2. What if there are people in the Intelligence Agencies who are deeply and sincerely afraid that Trump and/or members of his staff are compromised?

It was a disturbing precedent to see key figures in Intelligence and the Military come out against Trump during the election campaign. They have traditionally been non-partisan. It's disturbing to see the amount of leaking, as well as the involvement of wikileaks (essentially a Russian proxy) and to see now, what could possibly be independent internal actions, like the leaking of this material. It's disturbing to see so many ties to Russia - a autocratic oligarchic regime, who has destabilzied a neighboring country, supported an uprising and is now suffering under sanctions that we have to power to ease.

Is it partisanship or fear for our country that is driving this?


Motive for Russia is easy - the sanctions are hurting.

 

[ElmerMudd]

It looks like we are going to get our own Capitol Hill version of Swamp people. Aaaaayeeeeee! It's not only time to drain the swamp but to hook every leaking low down critter and drag em out.

There's got to be a political version Troy Landry in Washington who can finally nail the leakers in the Intelligence community.

Laissez les bons temps rouler baby!




“Any intelligence agency cannot listen to Americans’ phone calls,” Nunes told reporters Tuesday night. “If there’s inadvertent collection that you know is overseas there’s a whole process in place for that.”

He explained, “It’s pretty clear that’s not the case, so then they could have been listening to someone else and inadvertently picked up an American.

If that happens, there’s a whole process in place to where they have to immediately get rid of the information unless it’s like high level national security issue and then someone would have to unmask the name — someone at the highest levels.”

“So in this case it would be General Flynn and then how did that happen. T

hen if they did that, then how does all that get out to the public which is another leak of classified information,” Nunes added.

“I’m pretty sure the FBI didn’t have a warrant on Michael Flynn.”

GOP Intel Chair: ‘Pretty Sure FBI Didn’t Have Warrant’ To Record Flynn



Read more: GOP Intel Chair: ‘Pretty Sure FBI Didn’t Have Warrant’ To Record Flynn

Tinydancer is a stinking commie agent sent to the USA to support Trump.
We need Joseph McCarthy back to root out the stinking Commies and send them back to Russia.
We cannot be fooled by these people posing as right wing, white nationalists.
THEY ARE COMMIES.Send them back where they belong.

 

[Care4all]

The Russians were hacking our political institutions and trying very hard to influence our election thru countless fake news stories... the Russian envoys stationed here in the USA were part of that operation. Our Intelligence communities routinely wiretap foreign envoys and those that are deep seeded enemies even more so....if our Intelligence community did not monitor them, it would be negligent!

NO ONE was wire tapping Flynn, that is utter bull crud.

God stupefied Flynn when he made that call to the Russian Ambassador the day the sanctions and booting was issued...Flynn was aware that we wiretap their phones, but I guess he forgot ....

just like he ''forgot'' he spoke to the Russians about Trump reneging the sanctions when he takes power and not to over react to Obama's actions against them.

Flynn did this on Trump's behalf more than likely.

Why he intentionally lied to pence is just nonsensical....why Trump allowed the lie to stay out there is uncomprehendable as well....?

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

we just don't know everything that is going on here....look at coyote's response, I agree with all that she said.

it's weird that early on, all the clinton investigation intel leaks, and comey's actions, they truly did NOT want Clinton....and something changed....what happened?

 

[westwall]

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

I'm not sure I see it in that way...quite.

For one thing, I am absolutely convinced Russia was behind the hacks and their purpose was to attempt to influence the election. I don't think you you can get all our diverse intelligence communities on the same page if it wasn't - too much turf fighting and more competition than cooperation.

I think there is another way of looking at what is happening, and that is by the precedents that have been set and the questions they lead to.

Pre-Election
1. Why did Comey do what he did, at those exact times?
2. Why was most of the disinformation and the hacks and leaks pre-election directed towards Clinton?
3. Why did non-political, and traditionally non-partisan agencies/individuals such as military and intelligence come out in favor of Clinton or against Trump?
4. Trump repeatedly insults, dismisses, negates reports from the Intelligence communities.
5. Trump talks about a briefing in a manner which suggests he might lie to politicize it and he might not respect sensitive material in an impulse.
6. Leading figures in Trump's campaign with strong Russian ties.


Post-Election
1. Trump continues to degrade and insult the intelligence community when presented with evidence of Russia's involvement.
2. Trump surrounds himself with a close inner-circle of non-traditional outsider advisors: conspiracy theorists such as Flynn and Bannon, for example.
3. Trump's campaign staff, current advisors and cabinet include a number of people with strong Russian links.
4. Trump's Administration is in crisis mode - he has picked people who are competitive with each other, information is not shared along traditional chanels, if at all, there is internal fighting and a profound lack of trust inside.
5. Anomolies are showing up. Flynn talking with Russia - telling them not to worry about the sanctions - before Trump was even sworn into office.
6. Putin's highly unusual decision to not retaliate tit for tat in typical fashion over the expulsion of Russian spies and diplomats. It was this which flagged the Intelligence services to look over tapes of the wiretapping of Russian diplomats.
7. Flynn had lied to the VP, and the VP had defended him, and the VP was kept IN THE DARK for two weeks about this - a highly unusual lack of communication (and respect for) the man who is supposed to be closest to the President, and the #2 person in charge.

Resulting chaos
1. Leaks leaks leaks
2. Flynn resigns.

How to interpret it?
1. There is a deep distrust and unease of the President and his staff coming from the Intelligence community both civilian and military...and other agencies and a President who doesn't take it seriously. I don't ever recall such a situation before.
2. What if there are people in the Intelligence Agencies who are deeply and sincerely afraid that Trump and/or members of his staff are compromised?

It was a disturbing precedent to see key figures in Intelligence and the Military come out against Trump during the election campaign. They have traditionally been non-partisan. It's disturbing to see the amount of leaking, as well as the involvement of wikileaks (essentially a Russian proxy) and to see now, what could possibly be independent internal actions, like the leaking of this material. It's disturbing to see so many ties to Russia - a autocratic oligarchic regime, who has destabilzied a neighboring country, supported an uprising and is now suffering under sanctions that we have to power to ease.

Is it partisanship or fear for our country that is driving this?


Motive for Russia is easy - the sanctions are hurting.

If comey was ethical he would have recommended an indictment of hillary. He had to contort the law to come up with a reason to not do so. If the russki's were helping anyone it was her. As far as the intel leadership being partisan, there is NO doubt that they did. They were all obama appointments, and they all had a vested interest in hillary being elected. ALL of them.

 

[westwall]

All we have is a bunch of whoah from the intel community. There is however not a single shred of actual evidence supporting what they say.

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

we just don't know everything that is going on here....look at coyote's response, I agree with all that she said.

it's weird that early on, all the clinton investigation intel leaks, and comey's actions, they truly did NOT want Clinton....and something changed....what happened?

I disagree. They did everything they could to protect her. The media were complicit as well. I would love to see a legit, non partisan investigation into what she did.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Hmmm...could U.S. intel personnel have listened in on the Russian side of the call?

 

[Care4all]

then please tell your congress critters you want a special investigation, done in the open, for the American citizens to have access!!!

I would love that. I fear that the progressives heads would explode when it was revealed who was actually behind the leaks however.

well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!

It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.

What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.

Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..

And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.

But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..

I'm not sure I see it in that way...quite.

For one thing, I am absolutely convinced Russia was behind the hacks and their purpose was to attempt to influence the election. I don't think you you can get all our diverse intelligence communities on the same page if it wasn't - too much turf fighting and more competition than cooperation.

I think there is another way of looking at what is happening, and that is by the precedents that have been set and the questions they lead to.

Pre-Election
1. Why did Comey do what he did, at those exact times?
2. Why was most of the disinformation and the hacks and leaks pre-election directed towards Clinton?
3. Why did non-political, and traditionally non-partisan agencies/individuals such as military and intelligence come out in favor of Clinton or against Trump?
4. Trump repeatedly insults, dismisses, negates reports from the Intelligence communities.
5. Trump talks about a briefing in a manner which suggests he might lie to politicize it and he might not respect sensitive material in an impulse.
6. Leading figures in Trump's campaign with strong Russian ties.


Post-Election
1. Trump continues to degrade and insult the intelligence community when presented with evidence of Russia's involvement.
2. Trump surrounds himself with a close inner-circle of non-traditional outsider advisors: conspiracy theorists such as Flynn and Bannon, for example.
3. Trump's campaign staff, current advisors and cabinet include a number of people with strong Russian links.
4. Trump's Administration is in crisis mode - he has picked people who are competitive with each other, information is not shared along traditional chanels, if at all, there is internal fighting and a profound lack of trust inside.
5. Anomolies are showing up. Flynn talking with Russia - telling them not to worry about the sanctions - before Trump was even sworn into office.
6. Putin's highly unusual decision to not retaliate tit for tat in typical fashion over the expulsion of Russian spies and diplomats. It was this which flagged the Intelligence services to look over tapes of the wiretapping of Russian diplomats.
7. Flynn had lied to the VP, and the VP had defended him, and the VP was kept IN THE DARK for two weeks about this - a highly unusual lack of communication (and respect for) the man who is supposed to be closest to the President, and the #2 person in charge.

Resulting chaos
1. Leaks leaks leaks
2. Flynn resigns.

How to interpret it?
1. There is a deep distrust and unease of the President and his staff coming from the Intelligence community both civilian and military...and other agencies and a President who doesn't take it seriously. I don't ever recall such a situation before.
2. What if there are people in the Intelligence Agencies who are deeply and sincerely afraid that Trump and/or members of his staff are compromised?

It was a disturbing precedent to see key figures in Intelligence and the Military come out against Trump during the election campaign. They have traditionally been non-partisan. It's disturbing to see the amount of leaking, as well as the involvement of wikileaks (essentially a Russian proxy) and to see now, what could possibly be independent internal actions, like the leaking of this material. It's disturbing to see so many ties to Russia - a autocratic oligarchic regime, who has destabilzied a neighboring country, supported an uprising and is now suffering under sanctions that we have to power to ease.

Is it partisanship or fear for our country that is driving this?


Motive for Russia is easy - the sanctions are hurting.

If comey was ethical he would have recommended an indictment of hillary. He had to contort the law to come up with a reason to not do so. If the russki's were helping anyone it was her. As far as the intel leadership being partisan, there is NO doubt that they did. They were all obama appointments, and they all had a vested interest in hillary being elected. ALL of them.

sorry westwall, I just totally disagree....

you do not know who the 9 leakers are.... you do not know if they were obama appointees, bush appointees or simply lifelong workers with no party allegiance.