Beware of the Huckabee/Herman Cain fairtax trap!

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    This is absolutely amazing. The big con for a massive expansion of what Congress may tax is still being promoted as a “fairtax“ by Mike Huckabee and Herman Cain. So, let us examine how this tax, which is a tax upon the sale of “property” would affect Mary and Joe Sixpack, ordinary working people.

    Mary and Joe have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills. Mary baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works a full time job for a company as a house painter, also paints homes on his own time to people living in his community to raise extra cash.

    Well, surprise, surprise! Under the alleged fair tax Mary and Joe Sixpack’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event under Herman Cain‘s “fairtax“, and, they must first register with government to sell the property they have in their labor, collect a federal tax for Congress, file federal fairtax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a freaken year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up, not to mention the threat of audits which will constantly haunt them if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor.

    In addition to filing fairtax returns 12 times a year and giving government a 23 percent cut of the action to the federal government when selling the property they have in their labor, Mary and Joe also get to pay a new 23 percent tax upon their purchases under the alleged fairtax.
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    But the con doesn’t stop here. If Herman Cain’s “fairtax’ were adopted and put into practice, and if the 16th Amendment were repealed under its companion legislation, H.J.RES 16 which proposes to repeal the 16th Amendment, there is another big surprise waiting for all those who think that Congress’ authority to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes is ended. The ringleaders behind H.J.RES. 16 refuse to add these words to the repeal of the 16th Amendment:

    The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

    And without this language in H.J.RES. 16, which I have attempted to get fairtax.org to add to H.J.RES 16 for years, Congress still has authority to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes. For example Congress would still have authority to lay and collect the tax calculated from incomes which was laid during the civil war and upheld in Springer vs. United States. In addition, Congress would still have authority to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits and gains as were laid under the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909, which was upheld in Flint vs. Stone Tracy. Bottom line is, the alleged fairtax does not propose to end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and incomes. It proposes to have Congress lay two new taxes: a 23 percent tax upon the sale of newly manufactured property, and, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of property which working people have in their labor. And this does not even take into account the massive redistribution of wealth proposed under its “family consumption allowance” ____ an entitlement which would send a monthly bonus check to those already on the public dole and not gainfully employed, which would be taxed away from our productive members of society.

    Finally, it should also be noted that Leo E. Linbeck Jr., founder of fairtax.org is also a past chairman and director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, and former director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas-Houston Branch, which is part of that secretive theft ring called the federal reserve system which takes billions, upon billions of American Taxpayer dollars and launders them by sending them abroad to foreign banking pals.

    Now, I’m not big on conspiracies, but those directly connected to the federal reserve system, a private banking cartel which un-constitutionally regulates the value of our money via re-discount rates, ought to be very carefully examined, and what their members, former and present, propose for tax reform ought to be even more carefully examined so as to avoid a total enslavement of America’s businesses, industries and working class people which seems to be the case under the massive expansion of what Congress may tax as proposed under H.R. 25, and its companion legislation H.J.RES 16.

    And what is my solution for tax reform? A return to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founding fathers intended it to operate and could be put back into practice by adding the following 32 words to our Constitution:

    The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


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    JWK

    Our tyrant in the White House forces the productive to pay taxes so he can spread their wealth, but he does not force his beloved 40 % who pay no income taxes to work for the taxes they get.
     
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    If we allow Congress to pass any tax at all it's going right on top of all the other taxes we already have.
     
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    Well, that is certainly true with regard to the “fairtax”, and why the ringleaders behind it will not add the following words to their repeal of the 16th Amendment, H.J.RES 16:

    The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


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    FAIR...now there's a word with a highly plastic definition.

    What is FAIR?

    Can a society that does not offer FAIR opportunities every one of its citizens devise a tax system that is FAIR to every one of its taxpayers?

    I don't think it's really possible.

    Capitalism is NOT about FAIRNESS, folks.

    Its about anything BUT fairness, actually.

    The very principle of CAPTIALISM is to advantage one class over all others in that society.

    And now we expect to find things FAIR in taxation?


    Why?

    And even better question than why is HOW?!


    A flat system in taxation can only be "fair" in society which also offers its citizens a flat system in reward.
     
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    "Mary and Joe also get to pay a new 23 percent tax upon their purchases under the alleged fairtax."

    That statement should convince anyone reading your rant that you know absolutely NOTHING about the
    fair tax.
     
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    Not true, the Fair Tax replaces ALL of the taxes imposed by the feds with a consumption tax. Make a list of all of the taxes collected on any product and you will find that the price of that product will stay the same under the Fair Tax.
     
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    I dont like the fair tax because it creates a huge bureaucracy to decide what is taxable and what isn't. These are unaccountable bureaucrats whose decisions are not open to question or scrutiny.
    While in principle I think any tax reform is welcome, this one I have a hard time getting behind.
    I much prefer a flat tax: everyone pays 12% of whatever income they make. No deductions. Other counties have tried this and it works well. It produces in excess of the percentage of GDP we currently have because of the efficiency of the tax.
     
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    What is the FairTax plan?
     
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    We should have a flat tax, not a fair tax. Abolish the IRS, but have everyone pay the same percentage on "wages, monies earned," straight across the board, 13%.
     
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    I like the FairTax. Simple calculation, simple enforcement, transparent government cost.
     

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