BBC calls out settlers for their "terrorism"

[JStone]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

You're a fucking idiot if you think the BBC is 'calling out settlers'. The BBC does not 'call out', it reports.

Moron.

Has the BBC called out Britain's occupation of northern Ireland, shit-for-brains?

Are you mentally deficient? Or just an ignorant twit?

PMS'ing, ignorant twat?

 

[jillian]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel. not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

 

[jillian]

Here's the clincher voiced by an israeli General:
BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

how many threads have you done about atrocities committed against israelis.

i'm not big on the settlements, but if they really wanted them to go away, they'd make a deal. no other country on the planet unilaterally gives in to people who lob missiles at them.

i'll be looking for your threads pointing out what the hamas and hezbollah terrorists do.

I can always count on jillian, the liberal, "pro-occupation" poster. I'm a liberal but I support International Law which the settlers are in violation of. You ever heard of J Street jillian? They are an organization that isa reasonable/rational alternative to A1PAC. You should look into them. A1PAC, which all U.S. Presidential candidates have had to grovel to in the elections.

It's a battle Dot Com. Two sides fight this battle and you sound like you just want the Jews to move back and await an attack. Oh, and give their protection away as well.

From the BBC article:

Brigadier General Alon said not enough had been done to tackle Jewish extremism referring to price tag attacks as "terror".

^^^^^

what ropey said...

pro settlement? kiss my butt... i just don't believe in jews dying because some pro-palestinian idiots have no idea about middle east reality and think israel should give in to the demands of terrorists without them giving up anything.

maybe they shouldn't have attacked israel upteen times?

hmmmmmmmmm?

 

[JStone]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

'Shameful' inaction
The United Nations says the number of attacks by extremist Jewish settlers on Palestinians resulting in either injury or damage to property has roughly tripled since 2009.

The UN says in 90% of complaints filed to the Israeli police by Palestinians against settlers, nobody is ever indicted.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank.

Extremist settlers have set fire to West Bank mosques and daubed their walls with graffiti
The attack on the soldiers came after a Jewish teenager was arrested on suspicion of carrying out an arson attack on a Palestinian mosque.

The facts are the facts.

Oh.... and.... to be factually accurate (instead of making shit up like you do....) about the international law.... it says:

Settlements are illegal under international law although Israel disputes this.

Many settlers believe they have a religious right to the land.

What you see as 'calling out', normal, rational people see as a fair and accurate piece of reporting.... in which the BBC does not take a side.

Fucking idiot.

PMS Girl, the BBC was called out by its own Board for antiIsrael bias...
EJP | News | UK | BBC online censured for anti-Israel bias


Take a few Midol and you'll feel better about yourself

 

[alexa]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel.

So untrue. We used to give both sides of the story but since Mark Thomson became head, the BBC have moved way pro Israel

A number of commentators have suggested that Thompson has a pro-Israeli editorial stance, particularly since he supported the controversial decision by the BBC not to broadcast the DEC Gaza appeal in January 2009.[18] Complaints to the BBC, numbering nearly 16,000, about the decision were directed to a statement by Thompson.[19]

Journalist Yvonne Ridley wrote in CounterPunch that "D-G Mark Thompson might not care much for the BBC’s reputation but he should have a duty of care to his staff because it looks as if his pro-Israel stance is now endangering the safety of his own news teams, many of whom find his views repugnant in any case" and with respect to his 2005 meeting with Ariel Sharon, wrote "Never before had any BBC Director-General embarked on such a meeting and references to it are removed continually from Thompson’s biography on Wikipedia, an indication of just how sensitive the whole event remains." [20] Tam Dean Burn wrote in The Herald (Glasgow) "I would argue that this bias has moved on apace since Thompson went to Israel in 2005 and signed a deal with prime minister Ariel Sharon on the BBC's coverage of the conflict." [21] Journalist Muhammad Idrees Ahmad wrote in CounterPunch that "the BBC's director general Mark Thompson can hardly be described as a disinterested party: in 2005 he made a trip to Jerusalem where he met with Ariel Sharon in what was seen in Israel as an attempt to 'build bridges' and 'a "softening" to the corporation's unofficial editorial line on the Middle East'"[22]

Mark Thompson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

Are you saying we created the problem by agreeing to a Jewish National Home because that is what we did. I can understand Palestinians complaining but I am at a loss as to why you are.

 

[JStone]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel.

So untrue. We used to give both sides of the story but since Mark Thomson became head, the BBC have moved way pro Israel

A number of commentators have suggested that Thompson has a pro-Israeli editorial stance, particularly since he supported the controversial decision by the BBC not to broadcast the DEC Gaza appeal in January 2009.[18] Complaints to the BBC, numbering nearly 16,000, about the decision were directed to a statement by Thompson.[19]

Journalist Yvonne Ridley wrote in CounterPunch that "D-G Mark Thompson might not care much for the BBC’s reputation but he should have a duty of care to his staff because it looks as if his pro-Israel stance is now endangering the safety of his own news teams, many of whom find his views repugnant in any case" and with respect to his 2005 meeting with Ariel Sharon, wrote "Never before had any BBC Director-General embarked on such a meeting and references to it are removed continually from Thompson’s biography on Wikipedia, an indication of just how sensitive the whole event remains." [20] Tam Dean Burn wrote in The Herald (Glasgow) "I would argue that this bias has moved on apace since Thompson went to Israel in 2005 and signed a deal with prime minister Ariel Sharon on the BBC's coverage of the conflict." [21] Journalist Muhammad Idrees Ahmad wrote in CounterPunch that "the BBC's director general Mark Thompson can hardly be described as a disinterested party: in 2005 he made a trip to Jerusalem where he met with Ariel Sharon in what was seen in Israel as an attempt to 'build bridges' and 'a "softening" to the corporation's unofficial editorial line on the Middle East'"[22]

Mark Thompson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

Are you saying we created the problem by agreeing to a Jewish National Home because that is what we did. I can understand Palestinians complaining but I am at a loss as to why you are.

Why has the BBC spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on legal fees to prevent the release of their internal report on antiIsrael bias?

Report on BBC's anti-Israel bias will stay secret | Mail Online

 

[JStone]

Illegal Arab settler trash should not be living in Israel, just like illegal Mexicans should not be living in America.

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani scholar, journalist, author and former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World TodayGlobal Politician - Israel’s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State

Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.

Palestinian Arabs, on the other hand, never had a separate identity. They always thought of themselves as Arabs rather than as Palestinians. It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence. According to Bernard Lewis, “From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity.” Lewis notes, "There had been a steady movement of Jews to the Holy Land throughout the centuries." In 135 CE Jews took part in the Bar Kochba revolt against imperial Rome and even re-established their capital in Jerusalem. Defeated by the most brutal of the Roman legions under the command of the emperor Hadrian, Jews were forbidden to reside in Jerusalem for nearly five hundred years. Once a year on the ninth of the Hebrew month of Av, they were allowed to weep at the remains of their destroyed Temple at a spot that came to be called "the Wailing Wall." In the meantime, the Roman authorities renamed Judea as Palestina in order to obliterate the memory of Jewish nationhood.

A resolution adopted by the first Congress of the Muslim Christian Association which met in Jerusalem in February 1919 underlines the Arab understanding of the situation conclusively. It said, "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."

Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state using Arab citizens of Israel as its proxy in Israel. It must not be forgotten that the Israeli Arabs are part and parcel of the same Global Jihad that has been murdering our gallant soldiers on the war fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[California Girl]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel. not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

They lean left. I said that.

There is no 'British' accent, honey. There are as many accents in the UK as there are counties. Each is unique.... although it is understandable that Americans don't know that. Referring to a 'British accent' is as ridiculous as saying there is an American accent. There isn't.... there are a variety of accents that make up our nation... and theirs... and, fyi, most other countries.

The BBC is far better at straightforward reporting factually and accurately than any US news outlet. True story.

 

[JStone]

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel. not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

They lean left. I said that.

There is no 'British' accent, honey. There are as many accents in the UK as there are counties. Each is unique.... although it is understandable that Americans don't know that. Referring to a 'British accent' is as ridiculous as saying there is an American accent. There isn't.... there are a variety of accents that make up our nation... and theirs... and, fyi, most other countries.

The BBC is far better at straightforward reporting factually and accurately than any US news outlet. True story.

PMS Girl, the BBC is not very straightforward covering Israel which is why its own Board criticized it for antiIsrael bias.

Take your Midol, PMS Girl.

EJP | News | UK | BBC online censured for anti-Israel bias

 

[Dot Com]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

'Shameful' inaction
The United Nations says the number of attacks by extremist Jewish settlers on Palestinians resulting in either injury or damage to property has roughly tripled since 2009.

The UN says in 90% of complaints filed to the Israeli police by Palestinians against settlers, nobody is ever indicted.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank.

Extremist settlers have set fire to West Bank mosques and daubed their walls with graffiti
The attack on the soldiers came after a Jewish teenager was arrested on suspicion of carrying out an arson attack on a Palestinian mosque.

The facts are the facts.

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

You're a fucking idiot if you think the BBC is 'calling out settlers'. The BBC does not 'call out', it reports.

Moron.

troll post fails troll


Idiot

 

[JStone]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

The facts are the facts.

The BBC leans left. However, unlike our media, they tend to report and not opine in their reporting.

You're a fucking idiot if you think the BBC is 'calling out settlers'. The BBC does not 'call out', it reports.

Moron.

troll post fails troll :cla2:


Idiot

Sucks I fucked up your thread, eh, dumbass? Paint a large L on your forehead for LOSER.

Eugene Rostow, former Dean of the Yale Law School, Under Secretary of State in the Johnson administration, US State Dept Legal Advisor, Drafter of UN Res. 242 pertaining to Israeli land in the West Bank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Rostow

The British Mandate recognized the right of the Jewish people to "close settlement" in the whole of the Mandated territory [Palestine]. The Jewish right of settlement in Palestine west of the Jordan river, that is, in Israel, the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors. And perhaps not even then, in view of Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, "the Palestine article," which provides that "nothing in the Charter shall be construed ... to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments...."

The mandate implicitly denies Arab claims to national political rights in the area in favor of the Jews; the mandated territory was in effect reserved to the Jewish people for their self-determination and political development, in acknowledgment of the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land. Lord Curzon, who was then the British Foreign Minister, made this reading of the mandate explicit. There remains simply the theory that the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have an inherent 'natural law' claim to the area. Neither customary international law nor the United Nations Charter acknowledges that every group of people claiming to be a nation has the right to a state of its own."

Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies

 

[alexa]

actually, love, that's BS. they opine and slant. they are not superior although you think they are because they've got those wicked brit accents.

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

that said, the BBC is rabidly anti-israel.

So untrue. We used to give both sides of the story but since Mark Thomson became head, the BBC have moved way pro Israel



Mark Thompson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not a surprise in the country that created the problems in the middle east in the first place.

Are you saying we created the problem by agreeing to a Jewish National Home because that is what we did. I can understand Palestinians complaining but I am at a loss as to why you are.

Why has the BBC spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on legal fees to prevent the release of their internal report on antiIsrael bias?

Report on BBC's anti-Israel bias will stay secret | Mail Online

Well, lets begin with Malcolm Balen and why he did a report.

In November 2003, he was appointed by the BBC as their “middle east policeman”, in a move widely seen as intended to placate Israeli criticism of their coverage of conflict in Palestine.

Malcolm Balen (biographical details)

Do other countries try this sort of thing? I think not. China was furious at the Beeb's reporting of the Tibetan demonstrations but did that create outside interference into the BBC's independence. No it did not. Israel did. It did not like the way the 2nd Intifada was, well reported. That was it, it was reported and people were not impressed seeing people having their houses torn down and being shot, surprise surprise.

anyway

Event #63 BBC starts self-censorship on the Palestine/Israel conflict
Date: Nov 2003

As the Jewish Chronicle said:

The BBC's appointment this week of a top broadcasting figure to oversee its Mideast coverage was welcomed by Israeli and Jewish community leaders as a recognition of their protests over alleged anti-Israeli bias. In an unprecedented move, the corporation named Malcolm Balen, a former editor of the “Nine O'Clock News,” to monitor its coverage of the region. A BBC spokesman said Mr. Balen, appointed by head of news Richard Sambrook and World Service chief Mark Dyford, would “build our relations with all people in the Middle East.” He would also be a “point of contact” for viewers and listeners. The move came in the wake of a series of meetings in recent months, in both London and Jerusalem, involving Israeli officials, figures from the British Jewish community, and top BBC representatives.

BBC starts self-censorship on the Palestine/Israel conflict

So Israel and the official Jewish community (because about half of our Jewish community are as critical as anyone can get over Israel. Indeed Israel has devided our Jewish community) anywayIsrael was complaining and the official Jewish community who if you will remember at this time were also being told to report all kinds of new issues as antisemitism to fit in with the new antisemitism which was criticism of Israel. Yes, the BBC was criticisng Israel. At that time when asked of bias, they agreed that they had a liberal bias. They said that it is their position to represent the people of the UK and we are a Liberal society - well we were around that time, much less so now.

Our reports were critical. Israel even killed one of our people while he was trying to save Palestinian children.

You will see some details of the report on this page

I notice Jeremy Bowen is in there. I notice that because I know he was found guilty of bias after his report in Gaza after the war. I saw that program and I do not know what was bias. He showed for instance Palestinian's houses which had been taken over and had had Israeli faeces smeared and slogans on the walls. He spoke to a Dr who had lost his wife, his home and some of his children, he talked to children who had been used as human shields and so on. He reported a lot of horrid things and we saw they were real because he had photos of them.....but he was bias. How could he be biased I wondered. The reason apparently was that he did not give enough reason for this. He did not for example I imagine take the time to explain why soldiers would feel the need to smear faeces and slogans on peoples wars, or bomb doctors houses while they try to save the dying and all the other quite awful things which happened to the civilians living there, What he didn't do was explain to us that the reason that Israel had done this was because Palestinians had fired rockets over to Israel, even though it was Israel who broke the cease fire. He did not explain that 1,400 people mainly civilians and one third of them children died because 20 Israelis had died over a period of years. That I think was his offence. That made him bias. How he had been reporting was exactly how our reporters had reported for years. They said as they saw. This was now a crime. More 'creative' reporting was needed to make each side equally right or something.

Why was the report not released. Apparently this was the reason

Sugar, a commercial solicitor from Putney, south-west London, has been campaigning for the BBC to release the Balen report - written by senior editorial adviser Malcolm Balen - to be published as part of the on-going public debate about alleged BBC bias against Israel.

In January, the Court of Appeal rejected his appeal, upholding a decision by the High Court that the BBC was not obliged to release the report as it was exempt under the Freedom of Information Act.

Balen Report FOI battle goes to House of Lords - Press Gazette

That has stood.

Now Jillian said something correct

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

That is what they used to do. Alan Hart has described how the BBC head would be terrified after any criticism of Israel because he knew that there would be an organised fury of emails and sometimes the phone call.

Now what gave Israel and British Jews of the conformist type the ability to take away the freedom of our news when reporting on Israel I do not quite know...but something did.

However the appointment of Mark Thomson was obviously what changed everything. I understand he has a fanatically Zionist wife and he went off to Israel and licked the boots of Sharon and came back and the BBC has never been the same since.

The Gaza war seemed to be the worst showing. They had been told everything had to be equal so they would have one Israel spokesman and one Palestinian and politely asked them one after the other for their point of view - apart from Jeremy Paxman who had an Israeli on for two minutes and was quite unable to be anything but his usual self and asked direct questions. The interviewer look startled and left early. I will say one thing, they provided massive of footage of the bombings and killings so it was quite easy to see wat was going on without any reporting - and that is basically what it was, no reporting. I do not use the BBC to learn about that area any more. She has also become much more conservative on many other areas in the ME.

People are scared to say what they see so when for instance recently Lebanon Palestinians were shot, they BBC just said they had been shot. Before they would have educated the public about why they were there and what was going on, but we all know that is bias.

The UK has allowed the BBC to be censored by outside actors, Israel. It is pathetic and yet another sign of our descent out of democracy.

But back to the point, the BBC now is totally pro Israel, it never gives the Palestinian position, we need to go to Channel 4 for that now and even then you don't get nearly as much information as the BBC used to present.

Through some process, Israel has managed to censor free speech by the British Broadcasting Corporation. This makes Israel happy but the world poorer as she only receives the information Israel wants. All pro Israeli now. I have not a clue how they managed to sneak in he OP but I am led to believe reporters still want to report and are pretty sickened by the situation. The BBC would have a hard time claiming to be Liberal now most of the time - and you know what, so would the UK. The media is good and forming opinions. Israel did well for herself but poorly for freedom of the press and honest reporting.

 

[JStone]

So untrue. We used to give both sides of the story but since Mark Thomson became head, the BBC have moved way pro Israel



Mark Thompson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Are you saying we created the problem by agreeing to a Jewish National Home because that is what we did. I can understand Palestinians complaining but I am at a loss as to why you are.

Why has the BBC spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on legal fees to prevent the release of their internal report on antiIsrael bias?

Report on BBC's anti-Israel bias will stay secret | Mail Online

Well, lets begin with Malcolm Balen and why he did a report.



Malcolm Balen (biographical details)

Do other countries try this sort of thing? I think not. China was furious at the Beeb's reporting of the Tibetan demonstrations but did that create outside interference into the BBC's independence. No it did not. Israel did. It did not like the way the 2nd Intifada was, well reported. That was it, it was reported and people were not impressed seeing people having their houses torn down and being shot, surprise surprise.

anyway

BBC starts self-censorship on the Palestine/Israel conflict

So Israel and the official Jewish community (because about half of our Jewish community are as critical as anyone can get over Israel. Indeed Israel has devided our Jewish community) anywayIsrael was complaining and the official Jewish community who if you will remember at this time were also being told to report all kinds of new issues as antisemitism to fit in with the new antisemitism which was criticism of Israel. Yes, the BBC was criticisng Israel. At that time when asked of bias, they agreed that they had a liberal bias. They said that it is their position to represent the people of the UK and we are a Liberal society - well we were around that time, much less so now.

Our reports were critical. Israel even killed one of our people while he was trying to save Palestinian children.

You will see some details of the report on this page

I notice Jeremy Bowen is in there. I notice that because I know he was found guilty of bias after his report in Gaza after the war. I saw that program and I do not know what was bias. He showed for instance Palestinian's houses which had been taken over and had had Israeli faeces smeared and slogans on the walls. He spoke to a Dr who had lost his wife, his home and some of his children, he talked to children who had been used as human shields and so on. He reported a lot of horrid things and we saw they were real because he had photos of them.....but he was bias. How could he be biased I wondered. The reason apparently was that he did not give enough reason for this. He did not for example I imagine take the time to explain why soldiers would feel the need to smear faeces and slogans on peoples wars, or bomb doctors houses while they try to save the dying and all the other quite awful things which happened to the civilians living there, What he didn't do was explain to us that the reason that Israel had done this was because Palestinians had fired rockets over to Israel, even though it was Israel who broke the cease fire. He did not explain that 1,400 people mainly civilians and one third of them children died because 20 Israelis had died over a period of years. That I think was his offence. That made him bias. How he had been reporting was exactly how our reporters had reported for years. They said as they saw. This was now a crime. More 'creative' reporting was needed to make each side equally right or something.

Why was the report not released. Apparently this was the reason

Sugar, a commercial solicitor from Putney, south-west London, has been campaigning for the BBC to release the Balen report - written by senior editorial adviser Malcolm Balen - to be published as part of the on-going public debate about alleged BBC bias against Israel.

In January, the Court of Appeal rejected his appeal, upholding a decision by the High Court that the BBC was not obliged to release the report as it was exempt under the Freedom of Information Act.

Balen Report FOI battle goes to House of Lords - Press Gazette

That has stood.

Now Jillian said something correct

what they DO, that our media doesn't, is actually talk about international news.

That is what they used to do. Alan Hart has described how the BBC head would be terrified after any criticism of Israel because he knew that there would be an organised fury of emails and sometimes the phone call.

Now what gave Israel and British Jews of the conformist type the ability to take away the freedom of our news when reporting on Israel I do not quite know...but something did.

However the appointment of Mark Thomson was obviously what changed everything. I understand he has a fanatically Zionist wife and he went off to Israel and licked the boots of Sharon and came back and the BBC has never been the same since.

The Gaza war seemed to be the worst showing. They had been told everything had to be equal so they would have one Israel spokesman and one Palestinian and politely asked them one after the other for their point of view - apart from Jeremy Paxman who had an Israeli on for two minutes and was quite unable to be anything but his usual self and asked direct questions. The interviewer look startled and left early. I will say one thing, they provided massive of footage of the bombings and killings so it was quite easy to see wat was going on without any reporting - and that is basically what it was, no reporting. I do not use the BBC to learn about that area any more. She has also become much more conservative on many other areas in the ME.

People are scared to what they see so when for instance recently Lebanon Palestinians were shot, they BBC just said they had been shot. Before they would have educated the public about why they were there and what was going on, but we all know that is bias.

The UK has allowed the BBC to be censored by outside actors, Israel. It is pathetic and yet another sign of our descent out of democracy.

But back to the point, the BBC now is totally pro Israel, it never gives the Palestinian position, we need to go to Channel 4 for that now and even then you don't get nearly as much information as the BBC used to present.

Through some process, Israel has managed to censor free speech by the British Broadcasting Corporation. This makes Israel happy but the world poorer as she only receives the information Israel wants. All pro Israeli now. I have not a clue how they managed to sneak in he OP but I am led to believe reporters still want to report and are pretty sickened by the situation. The BBC would have a hard time claiming to be Liberal now most of the time - and you know what, so would the UK. The media is good and forming opinions. Israel did well for herself but poorly for freedom of the press.

Twat, the BBC's own Board criticized it for anti-Israel bias. Are you retarded or just stupid?

 

[destroythedome]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

'Shameful' inaction
The United Nations says the number of attacks by extremist Jewish settlers on Palestinians resulting in either injury or damage to property has roughly tripled since 2009.

The UN says in 90% of complaints filed to the Israeli police by Palestinians against settlers, nobody is ever indicted.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank.

Extremist settlers have set fire to West Bank mosques and daubed their walls with graffiti
The attack on the soldiers came after a Jewish teenager was arrested on suspicion of carrying out an arson attack on a Palestinian mosque.

The facts are the facts.

Ofcourse as usual you dont reference the entire report. Like the statistics in 2011
3 palestinians were killed by settlers and 167 injured. while palestinians killed 8 Israeli settlers and injured 30 more. But that way you cant blame it all on the evil Israelis can you?

 

[JStone]

Israel Faces a Culture of Hatred and Violence

The grisly trail of broken toys and bloodied bedclothes and carpets inside the family home led to the bodies. They lay in their own blood, all knifed to death: Ruth Fogel, the 35-year-old mother; Udi, 36, the father; their 11-year-old son, Yoav; their 4-year-old son, Elad; and Hadas, their baby.

Hadas was just three months old. Her throat had been cut by the terrorist butchers who this month broke into the Fogel home in Itamar on a remote hilltop settlement in the West Bank. Yoav was killed as he read in bed.

Their every name should be remembered. They died because they were Jews. They were victims not just of the butchers, whose foul crimes Hamas celebrated in Gaza by giving out candy to children. They were also victims of the incitements to kill a Jew that the people of Israel have to live with every day, so many of them with memories of mothers and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers who perished in Nazi death camps.

Professor Fouad Ajami, one of the great scholars of the Middle East, put it as follows after an earlier massacre: "The suicide bomber of the Passover massacre did not descend from the sky; he walked straight out of the culture of incitement let loose on the land, a menace hovering over Israel, a great Palestinian and Arab refusal to let that country be, to cede it a place among the nations. He partook of the culture all around him—the glee [that] greets those brutal deeds of terror, the cult that rises around the martyrs and their families."

This is a culture where sermons legitimize violence in the name of Islam and have shaped generations of Arabs with what writer Eli Hertz calls "a steady diet of poison-filled propaganda." Hertz writes: "For non-Arabic speakers, it is hard to grasp just how pervasive the propaganda is in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority and throughout the Arab world. It is omnipresent: in state-controlled media outlets, in schools and mosques, at rallies, in speeches and articles." Professor Bernard Lewis, the great academic authority on Islam, has said that if the West knew what was being said in Arabic, people would be horrified

Israel Faces a Culture of Hatred and Violence - US News and World Report

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but allah, we will chase you everywhere We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood, we will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.

 

[destroythedome]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

'Shameful' inaction
The United Nations says the number of attacks by extremist Jewish settlers on Palestinians resulting in either injury or damage to property has roughly tripled since 2009.

The UN says in 90% of complaints filed to the Israeli police by Palestinians against settlers, nobody is ever indicted.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank.

Extremist settlers have set fire to West Bank mosques and daubed their walls with graffiti
The attack on the soldiers came after a Jewish teenager was arrested on suspicion of carrying out an arson attack on a Palestinian mosque.

The facts are the facts.

Ofcourse as usual you dont reference the untire report. Like the statistics in 2011
3 palestinians were killed by settlers and 167 injured. while palestinians killed 8 Israeli settlers and injured 30 more. But that way you cant blame it all on the evil Israelis can you?

A typical palestinian ploy only show the parts they can use to make themselves look like the victims when they are really the bad guys.

 

[JStone]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

The facts are the facts.

Ofcourse as usual you dont reference the untire report. Like the statistics in 2011
3 palestinians were killed by settlers and 167 injured. while palestinians killed 8 Israeli settlers and injured 30 more. But that way you cant blame it all on the evil Israelis can you?

A typical palestinian ploy only show the parts they can use to make themselves look like the victims when they are really the bad guys.

You mean, like when Pallywood staged this fake Fakestinian funeral for the media?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRz5WnHemkw]Resurrection in Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dot Com]

how many threads have you done about atrocities committed against israelis.

i'm not big on the settlements, but if they really wanted them to go away, they'd make a deal. no other country on the planet unilaterally gives in to people who lob missiles at them.

i'll be looking for your threads pointing out what the hamas and hezbollah terrorists do.

I can always count on jillian, the liberal, "pro-occupation" poster. I'm a liberal but I support International Law which the settlers are in violation of. You ever heard of J Street jillian? They are an organization that isa reasonable/rational alternative to A1PAC. You should look into them. A1PAC, which all U.S. Presidential candidates have had to grovel to in the elections.

From the BBC article:

Brigadier General Alon said not enough had been done to tackle Jewish extremism referring to price tag attacks as "terror".

^^^^^

what ropey said...

pro settlement? kiss my butt... i just don't believe in jews dying because some pro-palestinian idiots have no idea about middle east reality and think israel should give in to the demands of terrorists without them giving up anything.

maybe they shouldn't have attacked israel upteen times?

hmmmmmmmmm?

You didn't answer my question jillian. Have you heard of J Street or are you too closed minded? They are more rational than A1pac: J Street | The Political Home of the Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace Movement - Advocate for peace in the Middle East

 

[tinydancer]

BBC is not a right wing organization by any stretch of the imagination. They also said that the settlers were in violation of International Law.

BBC News - Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank

'Shameful' inaction
The United Nations says the number of attacks by extremist Jewish settlers on Palestinians resulting in either injury or damage to property has roughly tripled since 2009.

The UN says in 90% of complaints filed to the Israeli police by Palestinians against settlers, nobody is ever indicted.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank.

Extremist settlers have set fire to West Bank mosques and daubed their walls with graffiti
The attack on the soldiers came after a Jewish teenager was arrested on suspicion of carrying out an arson attack on a Palestinian mosque.

The facts are the facts.

Good grief. BBC is known to be anti Israel and pro Palestinian. That's a no brainer.

What's your point on the BBC not being known for being right wing? They are completely left wing.

 

[tinydancer]

From a great website. Just part of a fabulous article exposing BBC for the pro terrorists they are.

Jerusalem Documentary: Pro-Palestinian BBC Lied and Lied Again

"Narrator Jane Corbin takes viewers on a “walking tour” of “what is happening on the ground” in eastern Jerusalem, scurrying from one “stop” to another to report on Israel’s alleged misdeeds. Omitting essential facts and context that explain Israel’s position, she provides a one-sided perspective that establishes Israelis as the villains and the Palestinians as their innocent victims.

In his analysis of the program, Robin Shepherd, director of international affairs at a British think tank and former London Times bureau chief, correctly points out:

The slipperiness of the tactics employed, the unabashed censorship of vital historical context, and the blatant pursuit of a political agenda constituted a lesson in the techniques of modern day propaganda."

Jerusalem Documentary: Pro-Palestinian BBC Lied and Lied Again -