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Of course Muslim defenders don't want to remind us of that, because to do so is also to remind us that in Islam, one does NOT concede defeat.
"Any means necessary?" The Qur'an says the exact opposite.The Koran demands that they go out and use any means necessary to conquer the world..and particularly to re-capture any land that they have inhabited at any time. That means France, Spain and any other country they were driven out of after invasion. To do this, they are given permission by the Koran to use ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Nothing regarding this is said in the Qur'an. The only relevant ahadith explain that people who invent stories to bring peace between people are "not liars," meaning that they should not be treated or punished as liars. Nowhere is this actively encouraged. Moreover, ahadith are unreliable and are of questionable accuracy, unlike the Qur'an, which does not mention anything about dishonesty being permissible in any situation.Muslims are permitted to lie to save their lives, to reconcile a husband and wife, to persuade a woman into a bedroom and to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection, in order to attain access to positions and status they would be denied otherwise.
This has no scriptural basis. This was a false oral tradition printed in Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, which is of such questionable accuracy that Bukhari, whose own collection contained inaccuracies, refused to use information from it.Mohammed himself gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed.
This is a disgusting prevarication. Even the ahadith contradict this lie.Mohommed himself decapitated women and children.
The Qur'an says absolutely nothing about lying being permissible in any situation.It is NOT a religion of peace, and the Koran is inwritten with permission to lie about anything at all in order to further the cause of dominating the world and slaughtering infidels. Period.
Fortunately for you, it doesn't.No, the koran wants good muslims to kill all non-believers.
Oh, god.You guys are lucky you have oil, now you can buy all our inventions (like bumwad), without oil, you'd all be still living in tents and using your camel as a pillow. Or did a westerner also have to show you all how to make a camel hair pillow?
Yes, Muslims always pull this crap out too.
Keep in mind the Koran is arranged according to the size of the books, but that the newer additions ALWAYS supercede the older.
Almost without exception, it is only the older books which call for peace...because at the times being written about, Mohommed was a minority and struggling to come up through the ranks. As he became a more powerful warlord, his directives became quite a bit less warm and fuzzy, and always with the direction that when the books are in conflict, always go by the newest one.
Guess what? The more recent books are not about peace, love and honor. They are about butchery, lying, and war.
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There is no such thing as abrogation in the Qur'an. The Qur'an itself makes this clear in 4:82 - "Will they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy." Moreover, two of the three suwar I cited, al-Baqara and al-Anfal, were revealed in Madinah, after hostilities had already commenced between the Muslims and the persecuting Quraish. Al-Baqara in particular contains most of the Qur'an's guidance pertaining to dealing with enemies. The only verse I cited that was revealed in Makkah was one of the last revealed in that city, after the Quraish had been actively persecuting the Muslims there for some time. If any of the verses I referred to are "superceded" as you suggest, please show me the verses that supposedly take precedence over them. In 1936, Muslim leader and scholar Maulana Muhammad Ali wrote the following on the subject of abrogation:Yes, Muslims always pull this crap out too.
Keep in mind the Koran is arranged according to the size of the books, but that the newer additions ALWAYS supercede the older.
The message of the Qur'an is consistent throughout its entirety. As I said, all of the verses I cited were revealed after the worst of the persecution faced by Muhammad and his followers had begun. Your abrogation argument was proved false quite some time ago.Almost without exception, it is only the older books which call for peace...because at the times being written about, Mohommed was a minority and struggling to come up through the ranks. As he became a more powerful warlord, his directives became quite a bit less warm and fuzzy, and always with the direction that when the books are in conflict, always go by the newest one.
Guess what? That, like most of your half-baked remarks, is untrue.Guess what? The more recent books are not about peace, love and honor. They are about butchery, lying, and war.
That's not proving anything, idiot. It's just a definition of ignorance, which, having dealt with you, I'm fully aware of.
Prove that what I said is wrong. Your nonsensical rambling about ignorance does nothing to disprove my commentary.
To tell you the truth, while certain passages do tend to be quoted out-of-context, you may not find anything redeeming about the book. Parts of it must seem repetitive or nonsensical to non-Muslims. If your up to it, though, go for it.Kalam: you defend the muslim faith more reasonably and convincingly that any jew or xtian has ever defended their holy texts... Several oft-quoted passages I've encountered numerous times you have shown to be quotemined... It seems I need to reanalyze the koran in more detail, as my initial conclusions may not be as accurate as I believed...
Generally, yes. It depends on the sect, but most Muslims believe that the hadith collections Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are very reliable... even though they occasionally contradict each other and contain internal discrepancies. I wouldn't recommend reading them as they tend to be profoundly dry and boring.PS- are the hadiths considered authoritarian in 'orthodox' islam?
i other words, it's a lot like the torah and New testament... only in arabic?
Once again, Allie Babble gives Christians a bad name.
Once again, Allie Babble gives Christians a bad name.
You all give religion a bad name with all the name calling, aggressive attitudes and swearing... Which makes me thinks that NONE of you even have a clue about what you're talking about.