Atheists are the moral ones

[Steinlight]

'Torture' to obtain information that will lead to mitigation of deadly terrorism against the community is quite logically condoned.

Only by immoral sadists.

You don't even know what sadist means. Now you are sounding histrionic, attributing sadism to the intent of CIA interrogators. You can't possibly know this and are just demonizing at this point. Not making a coherent argument.

 

[Kondor3]

All this fuss over a Pew Research Poll of - what? - 700 people? - 800? - uhhhhh, yeah... now there's a Statistically Significant sampling of the population of the US.

So what does the sample size have to be for you to consider it statistically significant?

I don't know.

That's a very good question.

In a nation of 330+ million souls...

One that spans a continent of thousands of miles...

What sort of numbers would constitute a state of 'statistically significant'?

Or, indeed, merely 'statistically defensible' or 'statistically and reliably suggestive'?

And what about the configuration of the survey?

What were the questions being asked?

How were they phrased and served-up, and what was their context?

How was the audience categorized and subdivided, and was that reliable?

Did the surveying organization previously conduct such research, and was this latest round anticipated in advance, to confirm earlier findings?

When one looks at such an instrument and process, one can raise all sorts of legitimate and timely questions, before the survey-in-question passes muster.

I have many such questions, and very few answers.

I DO know that a sampling of 700-100 souls hardly seems a reliable barometer of the nation on such a visceral matter.

Which is about as far as my thinking takes me on that one.

 

[MizMolly]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Between 1,000,000 to 3,000,000 people were killed by Christians during the Crusades from 1095 to 1291.

Come now, they were doing god's work.

No. They were quite logically killing off the barbarians that drunk the Mohammed Kool-Aid and taken oaths to kill all who would not drink with them. The Christians were defending their community against maniacal rapists and murderers. It was a matter of self preservation...kill or be killed.

Thank God they succeeded....more than once....with the weapons of the day.

Today, with access to WMDs and electronic communications, it's a whole new ballgame. I condone any sort of torture used against radical Islam.

So these "barbarians" invaded the U.K. and western Europe and these French and English Christians had to defend their homeland, correct?

No. You should read up on the history of the Crusades....or stop your intentional distortion of what happened.

I didn't distort anything. I asked you a question and you're afraid to answer it. So I will answer it for you.
The western Christian Europeans went to the Middle East and the Holy Land for the fight....all in the name of Jesus. Millions died for nothing.
Here it is 900 years later and white American Christians haven't learned a damn thing.

 

[DriftingSand]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

 

[MizMolly]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

I am not atheist and don't have a list of morals. I do know how to live a life full of love, compassion and understanding without having to be told to do so or need a list. I never claimed my morals were greater than anyone elses, but I certainly don't use religion as as a crutch. If someone feels they need it, that is their business. I don't live a hypocritical existence.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

If you lived "Christ's way" you'd be a socialist.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Jesus was a good man who was a universal empath to extremes. His life and death was recorded for 1200 years by rumors and storytelling before anything was put into written word. Then it became a compendium of 40 authors, almost like a medieval Wikipedia.
You Christians don't believe in Zeus or Thor as personified gods, but you do Jesus and his dad. Makes no sense to me.

 

[DriftingSand]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

If you lived "Christ's way" you'd be a socialist.

No ... I'd be a Christian!! A "Socialist" believes in forcing the "haves" to give to the "have-nots." Christ left the decision to be charitable to the individual. Furthermore, Christ believed in living life by His Moral Standard. How many "Socialists" (Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, etc.) do you know who believe in living by Christ's standards?

 

[DriftingSand]

Jesus was a good man who was a universal empath to extremes. His life and death was recorded for 1200 years by rumors and storytelling before anything was put into written word. Then it became a compendium of 40 authors, almost like a medieval Wikipedia.
You Christians don't believe in Zeus or Thor as personified gods, but you do Jesus and his dad. Makes no sense to me.

Nice essay but you haven't answered my earlier question. Why are your moral standards better or more significant than the ones listed in the New Testament of the Bible? Do you believe yourself to be wiser than Christ? And, if so, please detail why your way is superior.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Jesus was a good man who was a universal empath to extremes. His life and death was recorded for 1200 years by rumors and storytelling before anything was put into written word. Then it became a compendium of 40 authors, almost like a medieval Wikipedia.
You Christians don't believe in Zeus or Thor as personified gods, but you do Jesus and his dad. Makes no sense to me.

Nice essay but you haven't answered my earlier question. Why are your moral standards better or more significant than the ones listed in the New Testament of the Bible? Do you believe yourself to be wiser than Christ? And, if so, please detail why your way is superior.

You didn't ask that question specifically of me and neither did I say my moral standards are better or more significant.

Mine simply aren't borne out of threats or judgment from fictional characters or even real characters whose lives and words have been twisted and distorted over the centuries by self-interest groups who collect money from people like you so that they themselves don't have to have a real job.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

If you lived "Christ's way" you'd be a socialist.

No ... I'd be a Christian!! A "Socialist" believes in forcing the "haves" to give to the "have-nots." Christ left the decision to be charitable to the individual. Furthermore, Christ believed in living life by His Moral Standard. How many "Socialists" (Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, etc.) do you know who believe in living by Christ's standards?

The Cost of Following Jesus

(Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; John 6:60-65)

"""25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.""

 

[asaratis]

Between 1,000,000 to 3,000,000 people were killed by Christians during the Crusades from 1095 to 1291.

Come now, they were doing god's work.

No. They were quite logically killing off the barbarians that drunk the Mohammed Kool-Aid and taken oaths to kill all who would not drink with them. The Christians were defending their community against maniacal rapists and murderers. It was a matter of self preservation...kill or be killed.

Thank God they succeeded....more than once....with the weapons of the day.

Today, with access to WMDs and electronic communications, it's a whole new ballgame. I condone any sort of torture used against radical Islam.

So these "barbarians" invaded the U.K. and western Europe and these French and English Christians had to defend their homeland, correct?

No. You should read up on the history of the Crusades....or stop your intentional distortion of what happened.

I didn't distort anything. I asked you a question and you're afraid to answer it. So I will answer it for you.
The western Christian Europeans went to the Middle East and the Holy Land for the fight....all in the name of Jesus. Millions died for nothing.
Here it is 900 years later and white American Christians haven't learned a damn thing.

Let me correct your attempt at presenting a fact.

The western Christian Europeans went to the Middle East and the Holy Land at the behest of Middle Eastern Christians who were being slaughtered by radical Muslims while on their pilgrimages to Jerusalem. The went to stop the murders by killing the sworn to murder....(same as it is today, you stupid boy) for the fight....all in the name of Jesus. Millions died for nothing.

Millions died for nothing is absolutely correct. Millions of Christians were slain simply for their beliefs. Millions of Muslims died because of their intolerance.

If the radical Muslims would cease with the terrorism today, there would be no cause to seek them out and kill them. Since intolerance is a command from the pedophile Mohammed, it will end only after we...



















....kill ALL RADICAL MUSLIMS AND THEIR CHILDREN!!!


Torture any and all captives that could reveal information that might uncover the next big terror attack. There's nothing immoral when the existence of your culture is threatened by your opponent.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

“I suspect that more than 2% of the world is atheist...”

True, and that depends on what is meant by 'atheist.'

There are those, for example, who might believe in some sort of 'higher power,' but don't believe in an interventionist 'god,' don't belong to any organized religion, and don't observe any type of religious rituals.

One who may believe is the definition of an Agnostic. Atheists have no belief in a god.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The community to which the torturers belong.

If those who claimed to be "more moral" were honest when they speak of those concerns regarding torture, they wouldn't be in favor of abortions in this country.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

If you lived "Christ's way" you'd be a socialist.

No ... I'd be a Christian!! A "Socialist" believes in forcing the "haves" to give to the "have-nots." Christ left the decision to be charitable to the individual. Furthermore, Christ believed in living life by His Moral Standard. How many "Socialists" (Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, etc.) do you know who believe in living by Christ's standards?

The Cost of Following Jesus

(Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; John 6:60-65)

"""25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.""

The question is, are you able to interpret the symbolic natures of what was spoken about in that verse, or are you just merely quoting scripture for the sake of writing ... without really knowing how it is to be applied to someone's life?

 

[DriftingSand]

1) I'm Christian and fully opposed to torture.
2) Atheists don't believe in God so they aren't bound by a moral standard. Without a moral standard they feel free to so as they will. As a consequence we have the historical record of men like Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and many others. Between those three alone are attributed the deaths of more than 100 million people (many of whom were tortured prior to their untimely death).
3) Unborn babies feel pain. That's a proven fact. Is it not torture to grab a baby by the head with a pair of forceps then rip the head off? Is it not torture to burn that child with a saline solution? Articles The Real Torture Scandal in America & Unborn babies can feel pain during abortion

To the OP: Stop with your sickening hypocrisy.

Not being Christian does not mean you aren't bound by moral standards, it just means you don't believe in religion. I know more people who aren't Christian but have more love and concern for other people. Not all, but many so called Christians are too judgmental and have low morals, they just believe attending church on Sunday will wash their sins away.

Give me your list of moral standards then tell me why your list is greater or more significant than Christ's list. Why do YOU believe that YOUR way is better than Christ's way?

If you lived "Christ's way" you'd be a socialist.

No ... I'd be a Christian!! A "Socialist" believes in forcing the "haves" to give to the "have-nots." Christ left the decision to be charitable to the individual. Furthermore, Christ believed in living life by His Moral Standard. How many "Socialists" (Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, etc.) do you know who believe in living by Christ's standards?

The Cost of Following Jesus

(Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; John 6:60-65)

"""25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.""

The passage you quote is an elaborate way of telling the disciples of Christ to "put no god before Him." Put nothing at greater importance that the Creator -- Christ.

Here's a shorter version of the passage you present:

Matthew 22:37-38, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment."

Then here's the 1st Commandment from Exodus chapter 20:

Exodus 20:1-4, "And God spoke all these words: 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So ... back to my original question. What is your moral standard and why is it superior to Christ's? Who designed your moral code and why is that person greater than Christ?

 

[DriftingSand]

Jesus was a good man who was a universal empath to extremes. His life and death was recorded for 1200 years by rumors and storytelling before anything was put into written word. Then it became a compendium of 40 authors, almost like a medieval Wikipedia.
You Christians don't believe in Zeus or Thor as personified gods, but you do Jesus and his dad. Makes no sense to me.

Nice essay but you haven't answered my earlier question. Why are your moral standards better or more significant than the ones listed in the New Testament of the Bible? Do you believe yourself to be wiser than Christ? And, if so, please detail why your way is superior.

You didn't ask that question specifically of me and neither did I say my moral standards are better or more significant.

Mine simply aren't borne out of threats or judgment from fictional characters or even real characters whose lives and words have been twisted and distorted over the centuries by self-interest groups who collect money from people like you so that they themselves don't have to have a real job.

So you admit that your moral standard is not superior to Christ's but you're intolerant of anyone who embraces Christ's standard over yours.
That said, we now know ONE of your moral standards: intolerance. Please list the rest and let us all know why YOUR list is greater than all others.