CDZ Artificial Intelligence-assisted meritocracy

[there4eyeM]

A. i. in this structure is precisely meant to "rely" on humans. It would be there because of and at the behest of humans, of course.

 

[Picaro]

The fears of "a.i;" remind one of the fears of cloning; a poorly understood subject that elicited unfounded paranoia.

Nah. Those of us who have been around electronics and computers since the early 1970's are just aware of their limitations and the concept of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out'. AI' is just a buzz word people put into grant applications; it doesn't really exist, but most don't know that so the term has a magical effect on sci fi fans and stoners who actually know very little science.

 

[MarathonMike]

LoL. I remember my first introduction to 'AI' in the 80s working as a young engineer. I learned as you did that programming is programming and AI is a sexy titillating term that amounts to very little in substance. There are some interesting things going on with AI chips that can be 'trained' to do things like photo correction, but that's a long way from autonomous thought.

 

[Picaro]

'Neural networking' and 'fuzzy logic' used to be big buzz words on grant applications in the past. Tabloids like Omni magazine couldn't put out an issue for years without one of those on the cover.

 

[there4eyeM]

The fears of "a.i;" remind one of the fears of cloning; a poorly understood subject that elicited unfounded paranoia.

Nah. Those of us who have been around electronics and computers since the early 1970's are just aware of their limitations and the concept of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out'. AI' is just a buzz word people put into grant applications; it doesn't really exist, but most don't know that so the term has a magical effect on sci fi fans and stoners who actually know very little science.

Were this arguably true, it would not erase a meaning society has now given the concept.
Therefore, we can capitalize on this rich resource or let it pass to the mundane, or, worse, dangerous.

 

[there4eyeM]

Progress in this sphere is advancing at such a rate, and a rate that itself is increasing, we really have to be prepared to profit from it. What better application of the knowledge and technology than to have it aid in governing ourselves?

 

[Picaro]

Progress in this sphere is advancing at such a rate, and a rate that itself is increasing, we really have to be prepared to profit from it. What better application of the knowledge and technology than to have it aid in governing ourselves?

It will only be used to benefit the top .1%. They aren't noted for their concerns about 'humanity', they're more interested in getting rid of 'superfluous humans'. That's why they have the govt. pour so much money into things like drones and 'global warming' propaganda, and the push 'globalism' as a front for keeping any state from interfering with their personal needs and international piracy and labor racketeering enterprises. There is no 'We' involved here. And, again, there is no such thing as 'artificial intelligence', it's just programming, not intelligence.

 

[there4eyeM]

Progress in this sphere is advancing at such a rate, and a rate that itself is increasing, we really have to be prepared to profit from it. What better application of the knowledge and technology than to have it aid in governing ourselves?

It will only be used to benefit the top .1%. They aren't noted for their concerns about 'humanity', they're more interested in getting rid of 'superfluous humans'. That's why they have the govt. pour so much money into things like drones and 'global warming' propaganda, and the push 'globalism' as a front for keeping any state from interfering with their personal needs and international piracy and labor racketeering enterprises. There is no 'We' involved here. And, again, there is no such thing as 'artificial intelligence', it's just programming, not intelligence.

"A.I." is usually in quotation marks when used exactly because the term is 'so-called'. That is why it is referred to as "this technology" in the quoted post. Whatever it's called, it is impressive and it is here. When can use it intelligently ourselves and let others debate its intelligence.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Do you people want Skynet, because this is how you get Skynet

 

[there4eyeM]

Any movie scenario is highly unlikely to be prescient.
No movies about the future had crowds of people walking around looking at their hands instead of where they were going.

 

[Leo123]

A.I. (artificial intelligence) is what one gets in college these days.

 

[there4eyeM]

A.I. (artificial intelligence) is what one gets in college these days.

Sorry to disagree, but it would seem rather that what one gets is insufficient education. Intelligence of any kind would be an improvement.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Any movie scenario is highly unlikely to be prescient.
No movies about the future had crowds of people walking around looking at their hands instead of where they were going.

That's because eventually your phone will be fully integrated into your body. You won't need an actual physical device.

 

[Staidhup]

The fundamental weakness of meritocracy is in the selection process. Artificial intelligence is limited to information employed in writing the algorithm based program. Integrity, morality, loyalty, humility, to name a few character traits, can not be programmed. Meritocracy may sound alluring however has proven to lead to totalitarianism.

 

[there4eyeM]

The fundamental weakness of meritocracy is in the selection process. Artificial intelligence is limited to information employed in writing the algorithm based program. Integrity, morality, loyalty, humility, to name a few character traits, can not be programmed. Meritocracy may sound alluring however has proven to lead to totalitarianism.

No doubt true. This we should keep in mind in order to avoid the pitfalls.
What we are suggesting is people who are experts being aided by the maximized computing capacities we have. This would additionally be overseen by what in the past was done by 'elders', which is what Senates and such developed from. There would be a selected/elected body always there to give guidance as required.

 

[anotherlife]

The weaknesses of democracy are abundantly clear. The alternatives to democracy are abundantly unattractive. Meritocracy sounds like a good idea, yet we understandably fear what will pass for "merit". With a proven standard applied objectively, we could envision a just and efficient system with democratic/republican (note lowercase consonants!) supervision, perhaps a senate-like body.
America has become so complex and at the same time so confused that the present government is not up to managing our position in the world. What about examining a combination of the maximum that artificial intelligence can contribute to a maximum of what our best and brightest can? More or less, it could resemble something like replacing the House while keeping a modified Senate and a stable Judicial branch.
Please notice that this is not a left-right issue in the mind of this poster.

Artificial intelligence could do the job if it is left alone. Too bad, there will be an elite of people who will never leave it alone. The artificial intelligence would need a special protection from God himself.

 

[Picaro]

The fundamental weakness of meritocracy is in the selection process. Artificial intelligence is limited to information employed in writing the algorithm based program. Integrity, morality, loyalty, humility, to name a few character traits, can not be programmed. Meritocracy may sound alluring however has proven to lead to totalitarianism.

No doubt true. This we should keep in mind in order to avoid the pitfalls.
What we are suggesting is people who are experts being aided by the maximized computing capacities we have. This would additionally be overseen by what in the past was done by 'elders', which is what Senates and such developed from. There would be a selected/elected body always there to give guidance as required.

You will never be rid of the 'pitfalls', since it will just be yet another example of formal logic being just circular reasoning, as a function of definitions being set on the whole algorithm sets, all of them. At the end of the day, all formal logic is circular reasoning, which is why philosophy majors rightfully claim they can take any side of an argument and win against untrained debaters. Do away with formal logic and all you're left with is pattern recognition software and some programer's opinions of 'right and 'wrong'.

 

[there4eyeM]

The state of things is that either we employ this technology well or not. It is here. Let's benefit from it.

 

[Picaro]

The state of things is that either we employ this technology well or not. It is here. Let's benefit from it.

Well, no doubt those it will benefit from it will; no need for those who won't, and in fact will be displaced and oppressed by it to get all excited and pretend it's great.

 

[there4eyeM]

What do we do if our manufactured, intelligence-simulating wonder computers look around, perceive and integrate their surroundings, turn to us and say, "Thank you!".
What if their ultimate logical conclusion is that loving each other is the most cost effective social principle?
We are in for some surprises from this tech., and some may be serendipitous.
We might fiend a new 'friend'.