Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea

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    The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
    The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
    BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
    The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea

    ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
    The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
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    But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.

    That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.

    Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."​


    Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
    Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
    June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit

    (AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
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    "While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.

    The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
    "In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions,"
    Menendez said.

    For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...​


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    LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.
     
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    Um, Uh, Duh..

    HOW was Trump's deal "a Win," especially compared to the Iran Deal?
    I posted Two Links that said it wasn't.

    Understand how discussion or debate works you ******* MORON?
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    /----/ There s no deal with NK. It will be a treaty passed by Congress, unlike the Obozo Iran scam. So why not wait for something to be offered to Congress before you criticize?
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    Everything you need to know about the Iran nuclear deal

    What Iran agreed to:

    Cutting by two-thirds, to 5,060, its centrifuges at its key processing centre in Natanz. Iran will reduce its current stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which can be processed into bomb-grade fuel, by 96 per cent to 300kg. It will also allow the International Atomic Energy Agency access to all its sites and will not build any new enrichment facilities for 15 years. This extends Iran’s breakout time – the period estimated it would take Iran to produce sufficient fissile material for one weapon – to one year.

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    Not one year, but one year after 15 years. No agreement is forever. And who knows if Iran will even exist in 16 years. So this agreement means Iran will have no nuclear weapons for at least 16 years.

    North Korea on the other hand........
     
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    Post ON Topic please.
     
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    Good lord, they signed an agreement to negotiate, you people are stupid.
     
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    President Trump says you are wrong, deal with it.
     
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    You do realize there was NO DEAL....dumbass.
     
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