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This is a very good column with some unsettling observations....

Are We on the Path to National Ruin?


San Antonio — I never really understood how fascism could have come to Europe, but I think I understand better now. You start with some fundamental historical transformation, like the Great Depression or the shift to an information economy. A certain number of people are dispossessed. They lose identity, self-respect and hope.

They begin to base their sense of self-worth on their tribe, not their behavior. They become mired in their resentments, spiraling deeper into the addiction of their own victimology. They fall for politicians who lie about the source of their problems and about how they can surmount them. Facts lose their meaning. Entertainment replaces reality.

Once facts are unmoored, everything else is unmoored, too. People who value humility and kindness in private life abandon those traits when they select leaders in the common sphere. Hardened by a corrosive cynicism, they fall for morally deranged little showmen.

And then perhaps there’s a catalyzing event. Societies in this condition are culturally tense and socially isolated. That means there are a lot of lonely, alienated young men seeking self-worth through violence. Some wear police badges; some sit in their rooms fantasizing of mass murder. When they act, the results can be convulsive.

Normally, nations pull together after tragedy, but a society plagued by dislocation and slipped off the rails of reality can go the other way. Rallies become gripped by an exaltation of tribal fervor. Before you know it, political life has spun out of control, dragging the country itself into a place both bizarre and unrecognizable.


This happened in Europe in the 1930s. We’re not close to that kind of descent in America today, but we’re closer than we’ve been. Let’s be honest: The crack of some abyss opened up for a moment by the end of last week.


Blood was in the streets last week — victims of police violence in two cities and slain cops in another. America’s leadership crisis looked dire. The F.B.I. director’s statements reminded us that Hillary Clinton is willing to blatantly lie to preserve her career. Donald Trump, of course, lies continually and without compunction. It’s very easy to see this country on a nightmare trajectory.

How can America answer a set of generational challenges when the leadership class is dysfunctional, political conversation has entered a post-fact era and the political parties are divided on racial lines — set to blow at a moment’s notice?

On the other hand …

I never really understood how a nation could arise as one and completely turn itself around, but I think I’m beginning to understand now. Back in the 1880s and 1890s, America faced crises as deep as the ones we face today. The economy was going through an epochal transition, then to industrialization. The political system was worse and more corrupt than ours is today.

Culturally things were bad, too. Racism and anti-immigrant feelings were at plague-like levels. Urban poverty was indescribable.

And yet America responded. A new leadership class emerged, separately at first, but finally congealing into a national movement. In 1889, Jane Addams created settlement houses to serve urban poor. In 1892, Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance to give the diversifying country a sense of common loyalty. In 1902, Owen Wister published “The Virginian,” a novel that created the cowboy mythology and galvanized the American imagination.

New sorts of political leaders emerged. In city after city, progressive reformers cleaned up politics and professionalized the civil service. Theodore Roosevelt went into elective politics at a time when few Ivy League types thought it was decent to do so. He bound the country around a New Nationalism and helped pass legislation that ensured capitalism would remain open, fair and competitive.

This was a clear example of a society facing a generational challenge and surmounting it. The Progressives were far from perfect, but they inherited rotting leadership institutions, reformed them and heralded in a new era of national greatness.


So which path will we take? The future of the world hangs on that question.

 
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This is a very good column with some unsettling observations....

Are We on the Path to National Ruin?


San Antonio — I never really understood how fascism could have come to Europe, but I think I understand better now. You start with some fundamental historical transformation, like the Great Depression or the shift to an information economy. A certain number of people are dispossessed. They lose identity, self-respect and hope.

They begin to base their sense of self-worth on their tribe, not their behavior. They become mired in their resentments, spiraling deeper into the addiction of their own victimology. They fall for politicians who lie about the source of their problems and about how they can surmount them. Facts lose their meaning. Entertainment replaces reality.

Once facts are unmoored, everything else is unmoored, too. People who value humility and kindness in private life abandon those traits when they select leaders in the common sphere. Hardened by a corrosive cynicism, they fall for morally deranged little showmen.

And then perhaps there’s a catalyzing event. Societies in this condition are culturally tense and socially isolated. That means there are a lot of lonely, alienated young men seeking self-worth through violence. Some wear police badges; some sit in their rooms fantasizing of mass murder. When they act, the results can be convulsive.

Normally, nations pull together after tragedy, but a society plagued by dislocation and slipped off the rails of reality can go the other way. Rallies become gripped by an exaltation of tribal fervor. Before you know it, political life has spun out of control, dragging the country itself into a place both bizarre and unrecognizable.


This happened in Europe in the 1930s. We’re not close to that kind of descent in America today, but we’re closer than we’ve been. Let’s be honest: The crack of some abyss opened up for a moment by the end of last week.


Blood was in the streets last week — victims of police violence in two cities and slain cops in another. America’s leadership crisis looked dire. The F.B.I. director’s statements reminded us that Hillary Clinton is willing to blatantly lie to preserve her career. Donald Trump, of course, lies continually and without compunction. It’s very easy to see this country on a nightmare trajectory.

How can America answer a set of generational challenges when the leadership class is dysfunctional, political conversation has entered a post-fact era and the political parties are divided on racial lines — set to blow at a moment’s notice?


On the other hand …

I never really understood how a nation could arise as one and completely turn itself around, but I think I’m beginning to understand now. Back in the 1880s and 1890s, America faced crises as deep as the ones we face today. The economy was going through an epochal transition, then to industrialization. The political system was worse and more corrupt than ours is today.

Culturally things were bad, too. Racism and anti-immigrant feelings were at plague-like levels. Urban poverty was indescribable.

And yet America responded. A new leadership class emerged, separately at first, but finally congealing into a national movement. In 1889, Jane Addams created settlement houses to serve urban poor. In 1892, Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance to give the diversifying country a sense of common loyalty. In 1902, Owen Wister published “The Virginian,” a novel that created the cowboy mythology and galvanized the American imagination.

New sorts of political leaders emerged. In city after city, progressive reformers cleaned up politics and professionalized the civil service. Theodore Roosevelt went into elective politics at a time when few Ivy League types thought it was decent to do so. He bound the country around a New Nationalism and helped pass legislation that ensured capitalism would remain open, fair and competitive.

This was a clear example of a society facing a generational challenge and surmounting it. The Progressives were far from perfect, but they inherited rotting leadership institutions, reformed them and heralded in a new era of national greatness.


So which path will we take? The future of the world hangs on that question.

Well let see America has been on the path of Destruction since the days of the Founding Fathers. As your article pointed out America has been down this road not once, not twice but a few times and we right the ship every time and come out better.

In the 1800's you had hatred for the Irish, and Chinese along with the freed slave of the Southern States and yet America marched on...

From the 1950's through the 1970's you saw cultural revolution and human rights being fought and Americans being killed just to be free of the oppression of Jim Crow laws and not being sent to Vietnam...

Today we see Protestors crying in the streets about injustice they see by the LEO that is there to serve and protect them and we have leadership calling for walls, banning of people and wanting to deny others their constitutional rights because of their religion...

So is America falling apart?

No, and she will correct herself soon enough. We go through these generational moments every twenty to thirty years and that is what is going on now...

I leave you with the beautiful voice of an Angel:

 
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We are if you vote for it.
 
This is a very good column with some unsettling observations....

Are We on the Path to National Ruin?


San Antonio — I never really understood how fascism could have come to Europe, but I think I understand better now. You start with some fundamental historical transformation, like the Great Depression or the shift to an information economy. A certain number of people are dispossessed. They lose identity, self-respect and hope.

They begin to base their sense of self-worth on their tribe, not their behavior. They become mired in their resentments, spiraling deeper into the addiction of their own victimology. They fall for politicians who lie about the source of their problems and about how they can surmount them. Facts lose their meaning. Entertainment replaces reality.

Once facts are unmoored, everything else is unmoored, too. People who value humility and kindness in private life abandon those traits when they select leaders in the common sphere. Hardened by a corrosive cynicism, they fall for morally deranged little showmen.

And then perhaps there’s a catalyzing event. Societies in this condition are culturally tense and socially isolated. That means there are a lot of lonely, alienated young men seeking self-worth through violence. Some wear police badges; some sit in their rooms fantasizing of mass murder. When they act, the results can be convulsive.

Normally, nations pull together after tragedy, but a society plagued by dislocation and slipped off the rails of reality can go the other way. Rallies become gripped by an exaltation of tribal fervor. Before you know it, political life has spun out of control, dragging the country itself into a place both bizarre and unrecognizable.


This happened in Europe in the 1930s. We’re not close to that kind of descent in America today, but we’re closer than we’ve been. Let’s be honest: The crack of some abyss opened up for a moment by the end of last week.


Blood was in the streets last week — victims of police violence in two cities and slain cops in another. America’s leadership crisis looked dire. The F.B.I. director’s statements reminded us that Hillary Clinton is willing to blatantly lie to preserve her career. Donald Trump, of course, lies continually and without compunction. It’s very easy to see this country on a nightmare trajectory.

How can America answer a set of generational challenges when the leadership class is dysfunctional, political conversation has entered a post-fact era and the political parties are divided on racial lines — set to blow at a moment’s notice?


On the other hand …

I never really understood how a nation could arise as one and completely turn itself around, but I think I’m beginning to understand now. Back in the 1880s and 1890s, America faced crises as deep as the ones we face today. The economy was going through an epochal transition, then to industrialization. The political system was worse and more corrupt than ours is today.

Culturally things were bad, too. Racism and anti-immigrant feelings were at plague-like levels. Urban poverty was indescribable.

And yet America responded. A new leadership class emerged, separately at first, but finally congealing into a national movement. In 1889, Jane Addams created settlement houses to serve urban poor. In 1892, Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance to give the diversifying country a sense of common loyalty. In 1902, Owen Wister published “The Virginian,” a novel that created the cowboy mythology and galvanized the American imagination.

New sorts of political leaders emerged. In city after city, progressive reformers cleaned up politics and professionalized the civil service. Theodore Roosevelt went into elective politics at a time when few Ivy League types thought it was decent to do so. He bound the country around a New Nationalism and helped pass legislation that ensured capitalism would remain open, fair and competitive.

This was a clear example of a society facing a generational challenge and surmounting it. The Progressives were far from perfect, but they inherited rotting leadership institutions, reformed them and heralded in a new era of national greatness.


So which path will we take? The future of the world hangs on that question.
We've been on the path to national ruin since 1963 when JFK left us. Slowly, over the past 50 plus years, we've declined in just about every aspect of social and economic status. The only bright spots have taken place in technology.

OUR DECLINE ( ruin ):

(1) Increased government corruption
(2) Taxation without fair, equal, and just representation
(3) The growing gap between the rich and the poor
(4) Loss of the industrial sector ( closed plants and factories, lost skills, our dependency on cheap foreign imports )
(5) Off-shore out-sourcing of jobs and the importing of labor
(6) Senseless deadly costly wars ( Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan )
(7) Weakened trust and relations with our foreign allies
(8) Illegal immigration
(9) The astronomical and rising national debt
(10) The right to privacy lost
(11) Abuse of eminent domain laws
(12) Abuse of search and seizure laws
(13) Members of law enforcement abusing power and authority ( police state )
(14) Our shameful prison population
(15) Our rundown infrastructure
(16) racial tension, riots, protests, marches, violence, civil unrest
(17) Poverty and homelessness
(18) The neglect of our Vets
(19) Unaffordable health care and unaffordable higher education
(20) Dependency on government assistance programs ( food stamps, shelter, health care, SSI )
(21) Cities going bankrupt
(22) Suicide rate ( military, PTSD, illegal drugs, teens )
(23) Illegal drug use ( addicts, drug dealers )
(24) Increased child porn, molestation, child abuse
(25) The divorce rate
(26) Increased social and economic division ( races, nationalities, religions, political, loss of the Middle Class )
(27) The United States Government ( The Washington Brotherhood ) became an entity unto itself, answerable to no one except itself
(28) Our unjust, unfair, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies
(29) The real threat of terrorism on our own soil
(30) Unpunished White Collar crime
(31) Our corrupt and unjust judicial system
(32) The buying and selling of legislation on the floors of Congress
(33) Increased number of single parent families
(34) The actual cost of living to real wages ratio
(35) The decrease in "mom and pop" retail stores ( monopolies such as Wal-Mart )

The list goes on and on and on. We're actually getting close to the bottom of the abyss of total social and economic ruin. Out national debt will soon be too big to over-come. Our prison population will easily out-number the number of students in our colleges. Poverty will drain resources. Proper health care will be for the wealthy and elite only. Riots and civil unrest will become the norm, with multiple killings daily. Drug addiction will overwhelm society. Suicides will increase. Military personnel will soon be patrolling our streets.
 
The time to make a stand has come, possibly slipping away. There isn't another place to escape. America was the last remaining beacon of hope, freedom, opportunity. A place where one could shed the old, aspire, and with hard work realize their dreams. Our government has capitulated, sacrificed what once was the American dream for political gain and power. The road to perdition is littered with the corpses of what once was.
 
Left-wing authoritarians continually relabel themselves in order to mask their true intentions from the ignorant public, "Progressive" being the latest iteration. After 50 years of such "progress" the OP suggests that the only way to avoid national ruin is more of the same.

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heodore Roosevelt went into elective politics at a time when few Ivy League types thought it was decent to do so.

....And one aspect of today's populist movement is that very well educated folks, scholars, researchers and experts, whose job is to know what they are talking about on "this or that" topic don't actually know what they are talking about. That wouldn't be so bad but for the fact that the folks who assert that the "pros" don't know what they are doing have refrained themselves from showing that their claims to that effect are so.
 
heodore Roosevelt went into elective politics at a time when few Ivy League types thought it was decent to do so.

....And one aspect of today's populist movement is that very well educated folks, scholars, researchers and experts, whose job is to know what they are talking about on "this or that" topic don't actually know what they are talking about. That wouldn't be so bad but for the fact that the folks who assert that the "pros" don't know what they are doing have refrained themselves from showing that their claims to that effect are so.

The people you are citing are often sycophants with little understanding of how their "expertise" relates to the real world. Robert McNamara's handling of the Viet Nam War is a prime example of how "the best and brightest" can lead lead us down the path to perdition. Similarly, the Obama administration's "thoughtful approach" to foreign affairs has contributed to chaos in many parts of the world. Maybe we need common sense more than theoretical platitudes?
 
Left-wing authoritarians continually relabel themselves in order to mask their true intentions from the ignorant public, "Progressive" being the latest iteration. After 50 years of such "progress" the OP suggests that the only way to avoid national ruin is more of the same.

:bsflag:

Really, we had 50 years of "progress" under Reagan and the Bushes and Nixon? Coulda fooled me.
 
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What I notice is what I see as an alarming rise of "populism"....appeals to emotions and fears with 1) little regard to truth, facts, or nuance and 2) a blatant demeaning of truth, facts, and nuance in the name of "saying it like it is". It's the emotional rhetoric that led to the rise of Hitler in an economically torn post WW1 Germany...all it needed was a few scapegoats to fuel public sentiment.
 
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This is actually a pretty good photo of Hillary.

In four more years most of her hair will be grey and gone and she will probably have a tremor.

I can't believe she is doing this to herself.

But everybody has their own personal goals.

I think for her it is her own personal way of surmounting Billy Boy and proving that she is better than he is.

I doubt she will be re-elected however. The population is too fickle and she is too frail.
 
What I notice is what I see as an alarming rise of "populism"....appeals to emotions and fears with 1) little regard to truth, facts, or nuance and 2) a blatant demeaning of truth, facts, and nuance in the name of "saying it like it is". It's the emotional rhetoric that led to the rise of Hitler in an economically torn post WW1 Germany...all it needed was a few scapegoats to fuel public sentiment.


We have a major candidate who is an outright liar. It isn't a secret and her party actually sees it as a positive, making her "clever." She has broken laws with impunity, but her followers see this as a wonderful aspect.

We have a party where truth and facts are viewed as the domain of chumps. Smirking leftists get on comedy shows that democrats use for news and sneer at how stupid those who embrace honesty are, to the loud applause of the left.

What democrats have done is wage an unrelenting war on the culture and values of America. The reason for the hatred democrats have for Christians is the values that religion represent, which the radical left democrats have fought successfully to crush.

Lying is the heart of the DNC. The democrats hold the position that there is no truth save that which furthers the goals of the party.

While populists may have little regard for truth, democrats have utter contempt for truth and the concept of honesty. Only loyalty to the party is considered a value.
 
This is actually a pretty good photo of Hillary.

In four more years most of her hair will be grey and gone and she will probably have a tremor.

I can't believe she is doing this to herself.

But everybody has their own personal goals.

I think for her it is her own personal way of surmounting Billy Boy and proving that she is better than he is.

I doubt she will be re-elected however. The population is too fickle and she is too frail.

I agree with most of that, particularly her desire to surpass Bill.

At this point I see very little chance that she will be elected, though.
 
Left-wing authoritarians continually relabel themselves in order to mask their true intentions from the ignorant public, "Progressive" being the latest iteration. After 50 years of such "progress" the OP suggests that the only way to avoid national ruin is more of the same.

:bsflag:

Really, we had 50 years of "progress" under Reagan and the Bushes and Nixon? Coulda fooled me.

FYI: I used "progress" as a euphemism for "progressive" expansion of government programs and entitlements, which has continued unabated during this period.
 
What I notice is what I see as an alarming rise of "populism"....appeals to emotions and fears with 1) little regard to truth, facts, or nuance and 2) a blatant demeaning of truth, facts, and nuance in the name of "saying it like it is". It's the emotional rhetoric that led to the rise of Hitler in an economically torn post WW1 Germany...all it needed was a few scapegoats to fuel public sentiment.

What you are actually describing is Democratic politics since 1960, when it was discovered that form (e.g., "Camelot") mattered more than substance to most voters. A recent example of this was the vilification of the Tea Party, whose concerns were almost entirely about the nation debt and deficit financing. Instead of addressing these issues, the Democrats simply excoriate their opponents as "uncaring" and "unfeeling" (or worse).
 
History says 200-250 years.

"borrowed time" is not without meaning.
The western Roman Empire lasted 1000 years.

The eastern lasted 1400 or more.

The USA is just getting started.

We have at least 800 more good years left.

Like new technology, the life span of empires has been shrinking at an accelerated pace. The Spanish New World Empire lasted 300 years, the British Empire 200 years, and the American Empire barely 100 years. The question is: Who's next?
 
Left-wing authoritarians continually relabel themselves in order to mask their true intentions from the ignorant public, "Progressive" being the latest iteration. After 50 years of such "progress" the OP suggests that the only way to avoid national ruin is more of the same.

:bsflag:

Really, we had 50 years of "progress" under Reagan and the Bushes and Nixon? Coulda fooled me.

FYI: I used "progress" as a euphemism for "progressive" expansion of government programs and entitlements, which has continued unabated during this period.

Actually, Clinton reined in Welfare in 1996. You don't read much do you?
 

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