Are we free

[danielpalos]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

i offer free full body massage with happy ending simply for the sake of gender relations in modern times. does that count?

 

[anotherlife]

I used to think so, until 9/11.....~S~

Which is why 911 was so carefully arranged.

 

[Aponi]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

i offer free full body massage with happy ending simply for the sake of gender relations in modern times. does that count?

Im sure the guys will love you

 

[Aponi]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

I was not spcific about god yes your correct its the one you belive in

 

[Skylar]

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

Yeah, that doesn't actually answer my question.

Much of history demonstrates that religion is a leash to control people. It dictates behavior, interaction, heirarchy. And often requires the individual to cede their own capacity for moral reasoning to a central authority.

That's rarely freedom.

---------------------------------- Most religion is voluntary at least in Christendom that i am aware of Skylar . Should be no ones business what a person voluntarily decide to do in freely practiced legal religion Skylar .

And religious is voluntary *today*....as its been balanced by secular power. For almost all of Christianity's history.....its been violently enforced. As have most religions. Islam wasn't particularly voluntary either. As the residents of Jericho how 'voluntary' Judaism was.

Looking to religion as a source of 'freedom' is a fool's errand. Most religion has nothing to do with 'freedom'. But the ceding of it. Its about centralizing control and internalization of methods of control.

----------------------------- ME , i'm only concerned with today and today all Christianity in the USA and most of the Western World is voluntary as far as i know . And of course that voluntary aspect doesn't apply to all as some of 'islam' kills / murders back sliders or apostates Skylar .

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

With the voluntary nature of religion today being an excellent demonstration of my point regarding a balancing of powers. When something like religion is given the authority to violently enforce its tenets....it does. For centuries on end at the cost of millions upon millions of lives. With entire civilizations destroyed and continents brought under its authoritarian heel.

When something like religion is balanced against another source of power......like say, secular authorities, religion relinquishes its use of mutilation, murder, torture, ethnic cleansing, rape, and conquest as a means of enforcing its tenets.

Freedom is found in the balancing of concentrations of power against one another. Creating a leviathan for the leviathan.

Its one of the reasons why today is remarkably free in comparison to the past.

 

[Skylar]

and besides , my only concern is with Rights and Freedoms are when they are reduced or taken away by the State because that is always done at the Barrel of a GUN .

Freedom is derived on multiple fronts. As lacking a leviathan like the State, you merely diversify and increase the violence. One of the leading causes of death in a stateless society is violence. With the State acting as a third party without investment in personal violence between two feuding individuals.

Without that, violence levels increase dramatically. And with it, a lot of practical freedom.

 

[playtime]

we are only under the illusion of 'freedom'. if martial law was ever imposed, we will know exactly how free we really are.

Freedom is always situational, with freedom existing while it is practiced. We're always able to do what we want until we can't.

The greatest degree of freedom is found in a balance of powers. As any group or entity that possesses disproportionate power will strip freedom from those they have power over.

come jan. 3, the dotard in the whitehouse will not like having them thar checks & balances being imposed on his tantrum inducing self. tutt tutt, little donny is already whining about 'presidential harassment' . no tinkle boy, it's called oversight & there's gonna be a spotlight on you coming from all committees.

 

[Aponi]

we are only under the illusion of 'freedom'. if martial law was ever imposed, we will know exactly how free we really are.

Freedom is always situational, with freedom existing while it is practiced. We're always able to do what we want until we can't.

The greatest degree of freedom is found in a balance of powers. As any group or entity that possesses disproportionate power will strip freedom from those they have power over.

come jan. 3, the dotard in the whitehouse will not like having them thar checks & balances being imposed on his tantrum inducing self. tutt tutt, little donny is already whining about 'presidential harassment' . no tinkle boy, it's called oversight & there's gonna be a spotlight on you coming from all committees.

Whats that got to do with anything

 

[playtime]

we are only under the illusion of 'freedom'. if martial law was ever imposed, we will know exactly how free we really are.

Freedom is always situational, with freedom existing while it is practiced. We're always able to do what we want until we can't.

The greatest degree of freedom is found in a balance of powers. As any group or entity that possesses disproportionate power will strip freedom from those they have power over.

come jan. 3, the dotard in the whitehouse will not like having them thar checks & balances being imposed on his tantrum inducing self. tutt tutt, little donny is already whining about 'presidential harassment' . no tinkle boy, it's called oversight & there's gonna be a spotlight on you coming from all committees.

Whats that got to do with anything

trump will no longer be free to be the autocrat he so desperately wants to be.i picked up where the poster i replied to left off. Do you know how to follow a thread?

 

[fncceo]

More free than most. Less free than we could be.

There will always be those to seek to make us less free. Sometimes they will use force. Often they will use what we consider legitimate means. Most often, they will get us to believe they are removing our freedom for our own good.

We are often presented with the false dichotomy, 'more freedom equals less security'. A dichotomy that we have come to accept as fact because to challenge it would be upsetting the status quo.

 

[playtime]

More free than most. Less free than we could be.

There will always be those to seek to make us less free. Sometimes they will use force. Often they will use what we consider legitimate means. Most often, they will get us to believe they are removing our freedom for our own good.

We are often presented with the false dichotomy, 'more freedom equals less security'. A dichotomy that we have come to accept as fact because to challenge it would be upsetting the status quo.

‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ ~ ben franklin.

 

[fncceo]

More free than most. Less free than we could be.

There will always be those to seek to make us less free. Sometimes they will use force. Often they will use what we consider legitimate means. Most often, they will get us to believe they are removing our freedom for our own good.

We are often presented with the false dichotomy, 'more freedom equals less security'. A dichotomy that we have come to accept as fact because to challenge it would be upsetting the status quo.

‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ ~ ben franklin.

Like many wise sayings. We can acknowledge their wisdom while completely failing to act on it.

The term autocrat has become to mean something terrible and authoritarian.

But, I look forward to the day when every person on earth is an autocrat in the literal sense of the word.

 

[playtime]

More free than most. Less free than we could be.

There will always be those to seek to make us less free. Sometimes they will use force. Often they will use what we consider legitimate means. Most often, they will get us to believe they are removing our freedom for our own good.

We are often presented with the false dichotomy, 'more freedom equals less security'. A dichotomy that we have come to accept as fact because to challenge it would be upsetting the status quo.

‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ ~ ben franklin.

Like many wise sayings. We can acknowledge their wisdom while completely failing to act on it.

The term autocrat has become to mean something terrible and authoritarian.

But, I look forward to the day when every person on earth is an autocrat in the literal sense of the word.

i have a sense of what you are trying to convey... i take it you are a libertarian in the literal sense of that word. when i say autocrat - i most definitely mean the contemporary definition.

 

[gallantwarrior]

There are different types of freedom even as a US citizen which accords you more political and religious freedoms than nearly any other country on Earth.

For example, if you have extreme indebtedness you are not free at all. You are in a sense a slave to your debt.

Another example if you have severe health problems then you are not free to explore the wilderness or other pursuits requiring physical strength and stamina.

So perhaps the most free people in the world might be those individuals who live on their own, off the grid in Alaska. They have political freedom, financial freedom and physical freedom.

As someone living off-grid in Alaska, I do have lots of freedom. Most important, I have the freedom to live, or die, based on my own work. That's a lot of freedom, for sure, and I wouldn't change it for anything. But I still have to pay taxes, buy groceries, fix or replace machinery and equipment, etc.

 

[danielpalos]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

i offer free full body massage with happy ending simply for the sake of gender relations in modern times. does that count?

Im sure the guys will love you

are the women, too chicken?

 

[MarathonMike]

There are different types of freedom even as a US citizen which accords you more political and religious freedoms than nearly any other country on Earth.

For example, if you have extreme indebtedness you are not free at all. You are in a sense a slave to your debt.

Another example if you have severe health problems then you are not free to explore the wilderness or other pursuits requiring physical strength and stamina.

So perhaps the most free people in the world might be those individuals who live on their own, off the grid in Alaska. They have political freedom, financial freedom and physical freedom.

As someone living off-grid in Alaska, I do have lots of freedom. Most important, I have the freedom to live, or die, based on my own work. That's a lot of freedom, for sure, and I wouldn't change it for anything. But I still have to pay taxes, buy groceries, fix or replace machinery and equipment, etc.

That's very impressive. But What do you do if you get sick or injured? Also what do you do for electricity and internet?

 

[tycho1572]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

Americans have much more freedom than democrats like.

Democrats are always looking for ways to limit our freedoms. They want to limit our speech, ability to own guns, ability to stop people from illegally entering our country, etc...etc... etc....

While democrat politicians ignore the problems they’ve caused in large cities, they continue to insist they have the best ideas.

 

[Karl Rand]

There are different types of freedom even as a US citizen which accords you more political and religious freedoms than nearly any other country on Earth.

For example, if you have extreme indebtedness you are not free at all. You are in a sense a slave to your debt.

Another example if you have severe health problems then you are not free to explore the wilderness or other pursuits requiring physical strength and stamina.

So perhaps the most free people in the world might be those individuals who live on their own, off the grid in Alaska. They have political freedom, financial freedom and physical freedom.

As someone living off-grid in Alaska, I do have lots of freedom. Most important, I have the freedom to live, or die, based on my own work. That's a lot of freedom, for sure, and I wouldn't change it for anything. But I still have to pay taxes, buy groceries, fix or replace machinery and equipment, etc.

So, Galt’s Gulch is in Alaska?

 

[Moonglow]

I am so free that the cops tell me they need to protect me from myself...

 

[Moonglow]

We are as free as our masters allow us to be..