Are we free

[Aponi]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

 

[sparky]

I used to think so, until 9/11.....~S~

 

[Aponi]

I used to think so, until 9/11.....~S~

911 changed our nation and opnions a great deal no doubt

 

[MarathonMike]

There are different types of freedom even as a US citizen which accords you more political and religious freedoms than nearly any other country on Earth.

For example, if you have extreme indebtedness you are not free at all. You are in a sense a slave to your debt.

Another example if you have severe health problems then you are not free to explore the wilderness or other pursuits requiring physical strength and stamina.

So perhaps the most free people in the world might be those individuals who live on their own, off the grid in Alaska. They have political freedom, financial freedom and physical freedom.

 

[sparky]

what is freedom to you folks?

~S~

 

[playtime]

we are only under the illusion of 'freedom'. if martial law was ever imposed, we will know exactly how free we really are.

 

[Skylar]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

What do you consider a 'true socialist nation'? Can you give us a few modern day examples? For example, is Canada a 'true socialist nation'? How about Sweden?

 

[Mr Natural]

What is it you want to do but can't?

 

[Skylar]

we are only under the illusion of 'freedom'. if martial law was ever imposed, we will know exactly how free we really are.

Freedom is always situational, with freedom existing while it is practiced. We're always able to do what we want until we can't.

The greatest degree of freedom is found in a balance of powers. As any group or entity that possesses disproportionate power will strip freedom from those they have power over.

 

[Votto]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

 

[pismoe]

I used to think so, until 9/11.....~S~

-----------------------------------------back in the mid 60s i realized we weren't free. And then i saw more Freedom disappear in the 70s - 80s and continue to lose Freedoms up to this day . Things like mandatory helmet laws started in the 60s and then seat belt laws and anti smoking laws even on a Business owners Private Property .

 

[Votto]

I used to think so, until 9/11.....~S~

-----------------------------------------back in the mid 60s i realized we weren't free. And then i saw more Freedom disappear in the 70s - 80s and continue to lose Freedoms up to this day . Things like mandatory helmet laws started in the 60s and then seat belt laws and anti smoking laws even on a Business owners Private Property .

We are not free but we crave it.

It seems to me that our freedom is the freedom on choosing who or what to love and serve.

In that sense, we are free.

 

[boedicca]

Given that the average middle class person spends over 50% of his income on taxes, the answer is: No. In the most meaningful sense, we are no longer free.

A List Of 97 Taxes Americans Pay Every Year

 

[Skylar]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

 

[Votto]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

 

[Skylar]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

Yeah, that doesn't actually answer my question.

Much of history demonstrates that religion is a leash to control people. It dictates behavior, interaction, heirarchy. And often requires the individual to cede their own capacity for moral reasoning to a central authority.

That's rarely freedom.

 

[pismoe]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

Yeah, that doesn't actually answer my question.

Much of history demonstrates that religion is a leash to control people. It dictates behavior, interaction, heirarchy. And often requires the individual to cede their own capacity for moral reasoning to a central authority.

That's rarely freedom.

---------------------------------- Most religion is voluntary at least in Christendom that i am aware of Skylar . Should be no ones business what a person voluntarily decide to do in freely practiced legal religion Skylar .

 

[Skylar]

A freind of mine posted a thread on face book about being free.
And it was intresting to me.
We are not free in the sense of true freedom .
From the time of cave men banding together in loose society's we have had to conform to rules mortality and laws tax etc. So we are not really free in the totality of the word.

Yet Americans have a lot of freedoms and rights not being seen in other nations.

While we have become to a degree a socialist society we still are far from a true socialist nation which is just a hooe skip and a jump from a communist SOCIETY.

After we loose certain freedoms and rights they are close to impossible to get back with the spilling of blood in mass.

We have socialist like cortez hillary and sanders along with many others who would take more and more freedoms from us given the chance.

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

Yeah, that doesn't actually answer my question.

Much of history demonstrates that religion is a leash to control people. It dictates behavior, interaction, heirarchy. And often requires the individual to cede their own capacity for moral reasoning to a central authority.

That's rarely freedom.

---------------------------------- Most religion is voluntary at least in Christendom that i am aware of Skylar . Should be no ones business what a person voluntarily decide to do in freely practiced legal religion Skylar .

And religious is voluntary *today*....as its been balanced by secular power. For almost all of Christianity's history.....its been violently enforced. As have most religions. Islam wasn't particularly voluntary either. As the residents of Jericho how 'voluntary' Judaism was.

Looking to religion as a source of 'freedom' is a fool's errand. Most religion has nothing to do with 'freedom'. But the ceding of it. Its about centralizing control and internalization of methods of control. Most commonly through fear or violence.

Where a small group of people, usually men, use a conception of god to compel you to do what they tell you to do.

That's not 'freedom'. Thats the opposite of freedom.

 

[pismoe]

We are not free, we are all slaves.

The issue is, who do you serve? Is it other people, God, or yourself?

The better question is, what provides more satisfaction?

Which God? All too often, service to 'god' is just service to other men who use a religion as a leash.

Yeah, that doesn't actually answer my question.

Much of history demonstrates that religion is a leash to control people. It dictates behavior, interaction, heirarchy. And often requires the individual to cede their own capacity for moral reasoning to a central authority.

That's rarely freedom.

---------------------------------- Most religion is voluntary at least in Christendom that i am aware of Skylar . Should be no ones business what a person voluntarily decide to do in freely practiced legal religion Skylar .

And religious is voluntary *today*....as its been balanced by secular power. For almost all of Christianity's history.....its been violently enforced. As have most religions. Islam wasn't particularly voluntary either. As the residents of Jericho how 'voluntary' Judaism was.

Looking to religion as a source of 'freedom' is a fool's errand. Most religion has nothing to do with 'freedom'. But the ceding of it. Its about centralizing control and internalization of methods of control.

----------------------------- ME , i'm only concerned with today and today all Christianity in the USA and most of the Western World is voluntary as far as i know . And of course that voluntary aspect doesn't apply to all as some of 'islam' kills / murders back sliders or apostates Skylar .

 

[pismoe]

and besides , my only concern is with Rights and Freedoms are when they are reduced or taken away by the State because that is always done at the Barrel of a GUN .