Arctic Sea Ice

[Chris]

k2skier, these people don't want to educate themselves.

They just want to be willfully ignorant.

 

[FactFinder]

Seems many forgot to dutifully perform this exercise of the free. From The American Thinker

American Thinker: Media Credibility, Not Ice Caps, In Meltdown

February 23, 2009
Media Credibility, Not Ice Caps, In Meltdown
By Peter C Glover
Eco-warriors and media hype aside, the fact is, as we head into 2009, that the world's ice mass has been expanding not contracting. Which will surprise evening news junkies fed a diet of polar bears floating about on ice floes and snow shelves falling into the oceans. But if a whole series of reports on ice growth in the Arctic, the Antarctic and among glaciers are right, then it is truth in the mainstream media (MSM) that's in meltdown not the polar ice caps.


The problem for the MSM is that it long ago nailed its colors to the climate alarmist mast. No ice cap meltdown, no rising waters. No disappearing islands, no reason for alarm. No alarm, no story. Worst of all having called yet another global apocalypse wrong: No credibility. So the MSM has a significant stake in running highly selective warm-mongering headlines. Not to mention disparaging those scientists who have the temerity to disagree as 'holocaust deniers' and 'pseudo-scientists'.


There's nothing more the climate alarmist media loves than a 'melting Arctic' ice cap story. So why not stories from the far larger expanse of ice that is the 'melting' Antarctic? Well it might have something to do with the fact that the Antarctic ice grew to record levels in 2007 - and continues to grow.

 

[Old Rocks]

As has been shown and linked to many times in this thread, the Antarctic Ice Cap is warming and losing mass. Your right wingnut think tank article makes many misleading and outright false statements.

Factfudger, Sinatra has at least linked to a few articles that are done by scientists. To have any credibility at all, I suggest you do the same.

 

[k2skier]

just the facts no alarmist theories

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

 

[FactFinder]

OK Geniuses, see how well you do on:

The Global Warming Test

 

[Old Rocks]

Got to question three. The people that designed this "test" are pretty stupid. We are not talking about the warming due to Milankovic Cycles. We are talking about the warming that has occured in the last 150 years, warming due to the increase in GHGs.

 

[FactFinder]

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Proved: There is No Climate Crisis

Proved: There is No Climate Crisis
Written by Robert Ferguson
Tuesday, 15 July 2008

WASHINGTON (7-15-08) - Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 4,600-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.
Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the UN’s climate panel (IPCC) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of CO2’s effect on temperature in the IPCC’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.

Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered [http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/index.cfm] demonstrates that later this century a doubling of the concentration of CO2 compared with pre-industrial levels will increase global mean surface temperature not by the 6 °F predicted by the IPCC but, harmlessly, by little more than 1 °F. Lord Monckton concludes –

“… Perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the IPCC’s estimates. Perhaps, therefore, there is no ‘climate crisis’ at all. … The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.”

 

[FactFinder]

Got to question three. The people that designed this "test" are pretty stupid. We are not talking about the warming due to Milankovic Cycles. We are talking about the warming that has occured in the last 150 years, warming due to the increase in GHGs.

OK, so you flunked that one. Let's see if you can do any better on this one.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Globalwarmingquiz.pdf

 

[FactFinder]

CO2 Science

Chinese Scientists Predict Imminent Global Cooling
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Reference
Zhen-Shan, L. and Xian, S. 2007. Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years. Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics 95: 115-121.
What was done
The authors say they used a novel multi-timescale analysis method known as Empirical Mode Decomposition (EMD) to "diagnose the variation of the annual mean temperature data of the globe, Northern Hemisphere and China from 1881 to 2002."

What was learned
First of all, Zhen-Shan and Xian report finding that the temperature histories they studied "can be completely decomposed into four timescale quasi-periodic oscillations including an ENSO-like mode, a 6-8-year signal, a 20-year signal and a 60-year signal, as well as a trend." This latter residual, which they determined could account for no more than 40% of the global temperature variation, was attributed by them to the historical increase in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration; but it is clear that some unknown portion of it could well be due to other factors. In addition, they report that "temperature variation in China precedes that [of] the globe and Northern Hemisphere," thereby providing "a denotation for global climate changes." Consequently, by projecting the four oscillatory modes of temperature change they identified into the future, together with the residual temperature trend, they came to the conclusion that "global climate will be cooling down in the next 20 years."

 

[Sinatra]

Well done FactFinder.

You have stepped up your game and are kicking some butt.

 

[k2skier]

Got to question three. The people that designed this "test" are pretty stupid. We are not talking about the warming due to Milankovic Cycles. We are talking about the warming that has occured in the last 150 years, warming due to the increase in GHGs.

OK, so you flunked that one. Let's see if you can do any better on this one.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Globalwarmingquiz.pdf

You are completely ignorant spreading lies and skewed data.

Real facts, just data, no chicken little we're all going to die, just actual data.

NOAA -

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eigth Warmest on Record

NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eighth Warmest on Record
January 14, 2009

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2008 Annual Summation

 

[k2skier]

Here's more of you're skewed data, funny how 98% of all scientists say the data they've recorded says were warming, yet when you look to see who supports the nut jobs who say we're cooling, it always leads to big oil, hmmm...

January 2008 - 4 sources say “globally cooler” in the past 12 months « Watts Up With That?

 

[FactFinder]

Got to question three. The people that designed this "test" are pretty stupid. We are not talking about the warming due to Milankovic Cycles. We are talking about the warming that has occured in the last 150 years, warming due to the increase in GHGs.

OK, so you flunked that one. Let's see if you can do any better on this one.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Globalwarmingquiz.pdf

You are completely ignorant spreading lies and skewed data.

Real facts, just data, no chicken little we're all going to die, just actual data.

NOAA -

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eigth Warmest on Record

NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eighth Warmest on Record
January 14, 2009

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2008 Annual Summation

If you are interested in facts, why would you leace the opening sentence out???

Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis

hmmmmmmm?

We were at a peak and now we are cooling. If you are just descending a mountain top you are still at some of the highest elevations. That doesn't prove that you aren't descending.

So if you want facts include them all. When you do you will see that we are cooling, That the science about AGW is horribly flawed and is now on the edge of becoming an out & out joke.

 

[FactFinder]

NASA - Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age

Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
09.30.2008

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Sept. 30, 2008: Astronomers who count sunspots have announced that 2008 is now the "blankest year" of the Space Age.

As of Sept. 27, 2008, the sun had been blank, i.e., had no visible sunspots, on 200 days of the year. To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go back to 1954, three years before the launch of Sputnik, when the sun was blank 241 times.

"Sunspot counts are at a 50-year low," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center. "We're experiencing a deep minimum of the solar cycle."

A spotless day looks like this:

 

[FactFinder]

Get over it folks. The sun is not cooperating with your hoax and just letting you know who is the real power on the planet.

So my advice is to humbly go on your way and pray that the spots will reappear else we are in for another ice age. Are you prepared for that?

 

[Old Rocks]

Get over it folks. The sun is not cooperating with your hoax and just letting you know who is the real power on the planet.

So my advice is to humbly go on your way and pray that the spots will reappear else we are in for another ice age. Are you prepared for that?

Crock of shit. A strong La Nina of exceptional duration, combined with a sunspot minimum, and still we get the eighth warmest year on record.

 

[KittenKoder]

Get over it folks. The sun is not cooperating with your hoax and just letting you know who is the real power on the planet.

So my advice is to humbly go on your way and pray that the spots will reappear else we are in for another ice age. Are you prepared for that?

Crock of shit. A strong La Nina of exceptional duration, combined with a sunspot minimum, and still we get the eighth warmest year on record.

Face it, you con artists are still losing ... we are getting more people educated to your cons, this is what scares you so much. Gore Inc. is about to go bankrupt.

 

[k2skier]

OK, so you flunked that one. Let's see if you can do any better on this one.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Globalwarmingquiz.pdf

You are completely ignorant spreading lies and skewed data.

Real facts, just data, no chicken little we're all going to die, just actual data.

NOAA -

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eigth Warmest on Record

NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as Eighth Warmest on Record
January 14, 2009

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2008 Annual Summation

If you are interested in facts, why would you leace the opening sentence out???

Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis

hmmmmmmm?

We were at a peak and now we are cooling. If you are just descending a mountain top you are still at some of the highest elevations. That doesn't prove that you aren't descending.

So if you want facts include them all. When you do you will see that we are cooling, That the science about AGW is horribly flawed and is now on the edge of becoming an out & out joke.

When you read and reply with a closed mind and blinders on you don't see or hear the facts.

Yes, "Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis"

BUT and here's where you don't want to listen or comprehend, it tied for the 8th warmest on record!

As I stated earlier, you are ignorant of the facts sir, you only see your side, I look at all the data and decide for myself. The Inconvenient truth bothered me too many skewed facts and Hollywood hype. I see the effect first hand in the mountains, for over 32 years skiing the PNW Cascades, the weather patterns are not like they used to be, I was very skeptical at first on Global Warming, but I don't let Hollywood hype influence me, just the data and facts.

All of those saying were on a cooling trend are skewing data and are backed by big oil, period.

 

[k2skier]

Get over it folks. The sun is not cooperating with your hoax and just letting you know who is the real power on the planet.

So my advice is to humbly go on your way and pray that the spots will reappear else we are in for another ice age. Are you prepared for that?

Crock of shit. A strong La Nina of exceptional duration, combined with a sunspot minimum, and still we get the eighth warmest year on record.

Face it, you con artists are still losing ... we are getting more people educated to your cons, this is what scares you so much. Gore Inc. is about to go bankrupt.

This isn't a contest to see who's right and wrong. Scientists are reporting data on our planets weather and temperatures. The ice on the planets is our biggest temperature regulator, and once we loose too much of it, it will be hard for it to recover.

 

[k2skier]

Get over it folks. The sun is not cooperating with your hoax and just letting you know who is the real power on the planet.

So my advice is to humbly go on your way and pray that the spots will reappear else we are in for another ice age. Are you prepared for that?

Actually this angle works against you, not for you. The sun has been on an unusually long solar flare minimum , all the time our record high temps keep going up.

Solar flare minimum ends between 2006-2008.


Sun cycle to flare back up in 2008
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