Any Serious Ideas on The Middle East?

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    I got disgusted when Reverend Wright began to use an impression he got from the Holy Spirit was that we should reflect upon ourselves in regards to 9/11. What a veiled claim that Bush did it or that our bad policies caused such hatred.

    Muslims hate us because we're Christian. No other reason needs be given.




    I disagree.

    First, we got along famously well with the Middle East throughout most of our nation's history. Prior to 1948, we were doing great with them. Oil was discovered in the Middle East, and U.S. Standard Oil got a lot of contracts with Arabia. Things were fine.

    Then came the creation of Israel (led by the British), and since we joined sides with Israel (not saying whether that was a good or bad decision), then the Middle East started becoming more hostile toward the USA.

    Terrorist activities against the USA by extremist Muslims began after the first Persian Gulf War.

    Saudi Arabia let us mobilize troops and equipment in their land along the Iraqi border because the Saudis were worried that Saddam would invade and because we needed the strategic placement in order to more easily get into Kuwait and Iraq to defeat Hussein's army.

    After the war, we kept troops in Saudi Arabia, both out of national interest and per their request. Osama bin Laden, having defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan (with US help, since he was our ally), wanted the U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has the holiest city in Islam, and bin Laden (and many others) felt it was a travesty for U.S. troops to be in their holy land.

    So, they started striking out at Americans (Kenya, Yemen, WTC twice), etc.


    I'm of the firm belief that if we withdrew all our troops from the Middle East, and let the UN handle the Israel situation, then the Muslim world would leave us alone.


    Consider this: The nation with the most Muslims is actually Indonesia. We get along with them fairly well.

    India has the second largest population of Muslims, and they are a democracy.

    The United States has 10,000,000 Muslims, many of whom live in your town, and they aren't attacking anybody.


    The problem isn't Muslims. It's politics and empire, just like it's always been.


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    [Above is from another thread.]

    Agree the point about politics and empire. Sometimes I wonder how the world would have turned out if Wilson had been assinated instead of the Archduke.

    But we are stuck with Israel. Frankly I would like nothing better than to walk away from that area but the genie is out of the bottle.

    Does anyone have any (serious) ideas as to what our strategy for the middle east should be?
     
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    You can't be serious?
     
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    seriously though. our government is full of Jews.

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    most of them Zionists.

    there is nothing you can do but wait until Israelis kill the very last Palestinian in West Bank and Gaza.

    after that the president is going to apologize to the Muslim world saying we made a terrible mistake - we didn't see what was going on - we should have resolved the problem one way or the other blah blah blah.

    BUT WE BELIEVE IN LOOKING FORWARDS RATHER THAN BACKWARDS ! ! !

    SUCK IT !
     
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    You cannot make a false statement, I am surprised nobody called you on this, there was no middle east, all you have done is made us focus on 1948, that is the wrong starting point for this discussion.

    If we cant get beyond this point, there is no discussion
     
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    Dumping Israel is a dumbass idea. For one you don't go dumping allies over bullies and terrorist. Unless of course your fine and dandy with the idea of being bullied around yourself. I am for one not.

    Take my lunch money and pounce on me if you like but your not going to get me to just give it to becuase you think you can bully me into giving it to you.

    Saddam slaughtered innocent babies for their own filthy greed in Kuwait. Either you have a very short memory or your to young to recall that incident. Our troops based out of Saudi one of our many allies to help put a stop to it. Kuwait is a Muslim country, yet they cheered when our troops marched into their cities to help deliver them from pure evil.

    To your OP eludes that we should just let these Ben Ladin and Saddam type's have it because they have no power and they want it and they are willing to use any means possible to get it.


    1990: Iraq invades Kuwait
    More than 100,000 Iraqi soldiers backed up by 700 tanks invaded the Gulf state of Kuwait in the early hours of this morning.

    "Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
     
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    Well step one is to get our military out of the Middle East and end any sanctions we've got on Middle Eastern countries. Second is to offer the Middle East and Israel an equal hand of friendship.

    "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all countries; entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson
     
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    All the problem started in 1918 when the Entente diced up Arabia to suit their colonial exploits.

    We are suffering as a result of artificial factions, whose dictatorships suppresses any chance of liberty for the Arabs, that were created at that time. The prime example is Saudi Arabia. They follow Wahhabiism, an anti-Islamic sect that is bent on nationalism, rather than purity of religion. They even tried to destroy their prophet's tombs in centuries prior, so I doubt Islam has anything to do with what these nutcases preach.

    If not for the billions of dollars the United States has poured into the many dictatorships that oppress its people in the Arab world, we'd see a much freer, prosperous and happier Middle East. The U.S. and the Middle East got along just fine from 1789 to 1914, so I don't understand why people think this recent escalation of violence is anything but a recent phenomenon.

    Israel is not entirely to blame for the many dictatorships that are up-- that's a rather ridiculous assertion, as Israel's not responsible for what happens in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere outside its borders, but it certainly had no right to be created from Arab land prior to 1948. Again, this is what happens when we rely on international governance, such as the United Nations, that undermines sovereignty and liberty throughout the world. Despite what Karl Marx says, right to land/property is the most inalienable of basic human rights, and the international bodies deprived the Palestinians of that land, and that's another reason they're pissed off.

    What's to learn? Empowering Socialist dictatorships and depriving people of their land can piss off a group of people badly enough. Time to follow Thomas Jefferson's advice to freely trade with all nations, but alliance with none.
     
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    Mash107, I like your post, only problem I find is this one part.

    I dont understand how this statement is accurate. How do you define the land as Arab.
     
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