ItsFairmont Registered User Member #18984 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 156 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 15 Posts Rep Power: 2 Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelical I got disgusted when Reverend Wright began to use an impression he got from the Holy Spirit was that we should reflect upon ourselves in regards to 9/11. What a veiled claim that Bush did it or that our bad policies caused such hatred. Muslims hate us because we're Christian. No other reason needs be given. I disagree. First, we got along famously well with the Middle East throughout most of our nation's history. Prior to 1948, we were doing great with them. Oil was discovered in the Middle East, and U.S. Standard Oil got a lot of contracts with Arabia. Things were fine. Then came the creation of Israel (led by the British), and since we joined sides with Israel (not saying whether that was a good or bad decision), then the Middle East started becoming more hostile toward the USA. Terrorist activities against the USA by extremist Muslims began after the first Persian Gulf War. Saudi Arabia let us mobilize troops and equipment in their land along the Iraqi border because the Saudis were worried that Saddam would invade and because we needed the strategic placement in order to more easily get into Kuwait and Iraq to defeat Hussein's army. After the war, we kept troops in Saudi Arabia, both out of national interest and per their request. Osama bin Laden, having defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan (with US help, since he was our ally), wanted the U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has the holiest city in Islam, and bin Laden (and many others) felt it was a travesty for U.S. troops to be in their holy land. So, they started striking out at Americans (Kenya, Yemen, WTC twice), etc. I'm of the firm belief that if we withdrew all our troops from the Middle East, and let the UN handle the Israel situation, then the Muslim world would leave us alone. Consider this: The nation with the most Muslims is actually Indonesia. We get along with them fairly well. India has the second largest population of Muslims, and they are a democracy. The United States has 10,000,000 Muslims, many of whom live in your town, and they aren't attacking anybody. The problem isn't Muslims. It's politics and empire, just like it's always been. +++ [Above is from another thread.] Agree the point about politics and empire. Sometimes I wonder how the world would have turned out if Wilson had been assinated instead of the Archduke. But we are stuck with Israel. Frankly I would like nothing better than to walk away from that area but the genie is out of the bottle. Does anyone have any (serious) ideas as to what our strategy for the middle east should be?