Antifa vs Proud Boys Brawl In Portland (AGAIN)

[Coyote]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

 

[K9Buck]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

 

[Crepitus]

You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

They were Nationalistic, social Conservatives.

Republicans are Capitalist, social Liberals.

Nationalism + Social Conservative values = Right wing.

Capitalism = Classical Liberalism.

Social Liberalism = Liberalism.

Republicans are mostly Liberals.
You're a Liberal.

 

[Coyote]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

 

[K9Buck]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

In other words, you can't articulate why you believe that they're "far right". You're just parroting what you've heard. They're wrong and so are you. Fascism has far more in common with the left than the right.

 

[K9Buck]

You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

What ideology does the right share with Mussolini or Hitler?

 

[Coyote]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

In other words, you can't articulate why you believe that they're "far right". You're just parroting what you've heard. They're wrong and so are you. Fascism has far more in common with the left than the right.

No. Nothing to do with what I heard but what I learned. I don’t buy into the current attempts at historical revisionism. We have had threads discussing this before and I don’t want to derail this when Hitler isn’t the topic.

 

[K9Buck]

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

In other words, you can't articulate why you believe that they're "far right". You're just parroting what you've heard. They're wrong and so are you. Fascism has far more in common with the left than the right.

No. Nothing to do with what I heard but what I learned. I don’t by into the current attempts at historical revisionism, but we have had threads discussing this before and I don’t want to derIl this when Hitler isn’t the topic.

You were the one that brought up Hitler and Mussolini. You were the one that claimed that they were "far right". But when asked to back up your claim, you say you don't want to "derail" the thread. Riiiiiight.

 

[Coyote]

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

In other words, you can't articulate why you believe that they're "far right". You're just parroting what you've heard. They're wrong and so are you. Fascism has far more in common with the left than the right.

No. Nothing to do with what I heard but what I learned. I don’t by into the current attempts at historical revisionism, but we have had threads discussing this before and I don’t want to derIl this when Hitler isn’t the topic.

You were the one that brought up Hitler and Mussolini. You were the one that claimed that they were "far right". But when asked to back up your claim, you say you don't want to "derail" the thread. Riiiiiight.

You brought them up in post 150, implying Antifa was like them. I was responding to your post.

 

[22lcidw]

You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

You keep speaking your platitudes. I see what is on TV and the internet in violence and worse. Bring up the small percentage of those on the so called right all you want. It took a lot of years to see any of those so called right groups to start standing up for themselves against you. Those guys have had enough. And don't worry ANTIFA will be going up against BLM at some point down the line. With the Prog controlled media/entertainment system puckered up. But they will be on the side of BLM.

 

[Crepitus]

You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

You keep speaking your platitudes. I see what is on TV and the internet in violence and worse. Bring up the small percentage of those on the so called right all you want. It took a lot of years to see any of those so called right groups to start standing up for themselves against you. Those guys have had enough. And don't worry ANTIFA will be going up against BLM at some point down the line. With the Prog controlled media/entertainment system puckered up. But they will be on the side of BLM.

You need to look up "platitudes" so you can use the word properly.

 

[K9Buck]

Why do you classify Hitler and Mussolini as being "far right"? Based on what?

Based on how historians and political historians have defined them. Stalin left. Hitler right. Assuming only a linear axis.

In other words, you can't articulate why you believe that they're "far right". You're just parroting what you've heard. They're wrong and so are you. Fascism has far more in common with the left than the right.

No. Nothing to do with what I heard but what I learned. I don’t by into the current attempts at historical revisionism, but we have had threads discussing this before and I don’t want to derIl this when Hitler isn’t the topic.

You were the one that brought up Hitler and Mussolini. You were the one that claimed that they were "far right". But when asked to back up your claim, you say you don't want to "derail" the thread. Riiiiiight.

You brought them up in post 150, implying Antifa was like them. I was responding to your post.

Fair point.

Hitler and Mussolini despised free-market capitalism and neither Germany nor Italy had a free-market economy. They also supported and got government control over healthcare, education and every other facet of society.

Let's contrast that with the modern, American right. Generally, the right supports free-market capitalism and elected the most capitalist president in U.S. history. The right favors fewer government regulations. The right favors less taxation so that people can keep more of their own money. The right opposes government intrusion into our nation's healthcare system. Many on the right believe that the Department of Education, and other government agencies, should be eliminated.

Hitler and Mussolini held polar-opposite views on ALL of these right-wing beliefs. Do you know who agrees with Hitler and Mussolini on their anti-capitalist, big-government views? That's correct, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

The "historical revisionism" you mentioned earlier was (is) the lie that Hitler and Mussolini were "far right".

You're welcome.

 

[K9Buck]

You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

You keep speaking your platitudes. I see what is on TV and the internet in violence and worse. Bring up the small percentage of those on the so called right all you want. It took a lot of years to see any of those so called right groups to start standing up for themselves against you. Those guys have had enough. And don't worry ANTIFA will be going up against BLM at some point down the line. With the Prog controlled media/entertainment system puckered up. But they will be on the side of BLM.

You need to look up "platitudes" so you can use the word properly.

You're a coward.

 

[elongobardi]

They're fucking communists, bro. Small government? LOL.

Anarchists and communists are two different things.

They don't want to hear that because that would mean they share an ideology.

You keep speaking your platitudes. I see what is on TV and the internet in violence and worse. Bring up the small percentage of those on the so called right all you want. It took a lot of years to see any of those so called right groups to start standing up for themselves against you. Those guys have had enough. And don't worry ANTIFA will be going up against BLM at some point down the line. With the Prog controlled media/entertainment system puckered up. But they will be on the side of BLM.

You need to look up "platitudes" so you can use the word properly.

You're a coward.

Both groups are low life scum.


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[westwall]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

 

[Coyote]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

 

[westwall]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

 

[Coyote]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

 

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I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

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That is a cute graph but it is nothing more than a cute bit of propaganda. Tell me what the difference was between a citizen living in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany?