Antifa vs Proud Boys Brawl In Portland (AGAIN)

[Coyote]

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

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That is a cute graph but it is nothing more than a cute bit of propaganda. Tell me what the difference was between a citizen living in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany?

Exactly my point - the extreme left and the extreme right resemble each other more than they do the middle. Both wind towards authoritative repression.

 

[westwall]

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

View attachment 259401

That is a cute graph but it is nothing more than a cute bit of propaganda. Tell me what the difference was between a citizen living in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany?

Exactly my point - the extreme left and the extreme right resemble each other more than they do the middle. Both wind towards authoritative repression.

The extreme right and the extreme left ARE the same. They don't resemble each other, they are ARE each other. Thus they are the SAME! That is the WHOLE point!

 

[percysunshine]

These anti fascists sure do behave like fascists.

It is probably a marketing strategy.

 

[Coyote]

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

View attachment 259401

That is a cute graph but it is nothing more than a cute bit of propaganda. Tell me what the difference was between a citizen living in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany?

Exactly my point - the extreme left and the extreme right resemble each other more than they do the middle. Both wind towards authoritative repression.

The extreme right and the extreme left ARE the same. They don't resemble each other, they are ARE each other. Thus they are the SAME! That is the WHOLE point!

Then you have to have more than a linear axis....I think we are in agreement? I'm starting a new thread for this so we don't derail further ok?

 

[westwall]

The circular theory of government is a lie put forth by the Fabian Socialists to try and convince people that one form of socialism is better than the other. The point that seems to escape people is they are BOTH SOCIALIST!

The Fabians don't care which "system" wins, because ultimate a socialist government takes over so they ultimately win.

Government is divided in two. Total government, and NO government. Those are the extremes. All collectivist governments are merely stations along that line.

 

[Declan86]

You kids realize you're loudly supporting a bunch of aggressive misogynistic Nazis who can't get laid, right?

Does that make you proud?

ANTIFA can’t finish what they start... The spineless coward get knocked the fuck out.

ANTIFA are typical liberal pussies.


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You know they are anarchists right? Extreme small government types? Does that sound like liberals to you?

No, they are not. They are fascists. They are the exact OPPOSITE of anarchists you idiot. Anarchy is NO GOVERNMENT. Where the fuck did you get your education, out of a Cracker Jack box?

Well, they're largely anarcho-communists. They think through their "anarchy" they will bring about a revolution toward the Marxist Utopia.... You have to keep in mind, they are Starbucks Marxists. They probably don't realize they're dressed as Mussolini's Camicie Nere/Blackshirts, or that their slogan chanting, mob attacks on people is very similar to what those people did. Look, they're basically well off trust fund babies. Most of Antifa is upper middle class white coastal kids. These are the ones that aren't academically inclined or skilled in any way that is financially meaningful. That's apparently what you do when you're not immediately employable for well paying jobs, and too snobby to work crappy ones. Become a full time activist and look for stupid things to be offended at ...professionally.

They aren't terribly bright.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We’ve seen this coming for some time. Rightist groups totally fed up and angry confronting leftist Antifa groups. Is this the start of more violent confrontations?

The Portland “police” were nowhere to be seen, so their Public Information Officer had to work double time to come up with a politically convenient cover:

Lots of photos and videos. One Proud Boy got a bit more than he expected.


More @ VIDEO: Antifa vs. Trump Supporters Brawl In Portland - Reporter Andy Ngo Assaulted, Antifa Girl Knocked Unconscious

No doubt the ANTIFA Brown Shirts got their asses kicked again? Cowardly Nazis that they are...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Proud Boys are at it again. They are a disgrace.

ROFL

Yeah, your Brown Shirts were out on Kristalnacht again and the Proud Boys made them stop attacking people.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

These anti fascists sure do behave like fascists.

It is probably a marketing strategy.

The Millennials LOVE to be Ironic. Calling themselves "anti" Fascist is the pinnacle of irony.

 

[elongobardi]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

Yeah. Democrats are no government. They want to control everyone and not let people think for themselves.


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[elongobardi]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

Dude. You have to take your meds before you post your liberal brainwashed bullshit.


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[B. Kidd]

Proud Boys are at it again. They are a disgrace.

Antifa girl concussed. Hooray, she's a disgrace!

 

[K9Buck]

Do you not know what the name "antifa" means?

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

I'll ask again. What policies did Hitler and Mussolini espouse that are "right wing"?

 

[K9Buck]

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

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That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I bet if we could poll the antifa folks, we would learn that they share many of the same views as Hitler and Mussolini with regard to being anti-capitalistic and in favor of socialism and government control of the economy, healthcare, education and every other facet of society. I suspect we would also learn that many of them despise Israel.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

Dude. You have to take your meds before you post your liberal brainwashed bullshit.


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He's right. You dont understand what you dont understand.

Either you empower the Individual (right-wing), or the State (left-wing)

 

[Coyote]

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

Hitler and Mussolini are on the extreme right, not left, despite desperate attempts at partisan revisionism. Comparing Antifa to them is ridiculous. I think the right has blown what is essentially a group of thugs into some kind of huge evil bogeyman organization. That is convenient for rallying the troops but is it accurate?

What is antifa and what does the movement want?
Antifa — short for "anti-fascist" — is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

When did it start?

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

What does the movement want?

The primary goal is to stop neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining a platform rather than to promote a specific antifa agenda. The antifa groups are decidedly anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia, but also by and large socially leftist and anti-capitalist.

You couldn't be more wrong Coyote. The political spectrum is a single line. On one side is collective government. On the opposite end is no government.

I don't think it's that simplified, there are a lot of factors that go into what is left and what is right, and there are ideologies that make more sense to map it in a 4 way grid. IMO, the modern effort to claim Nazi's were left is nothing more than an attempt to white wash the atrocities of the right and lay them on the left. Both sides have atrocities and there are historians that place ideologies like that of Hitler and Stalin in their own category. This revisionism is a new trend, I don't buy it

No, there aren't. There is no circular governmental theory. A government is either total, or non existent. Those are the two extremes. There is no such thing as a totalitarian left wing government, and a totalitarian right wing government. They are BOTH totalitarian! The only differences are in what colors they use.

It's not just left right - there is also a authority, you are looking at only one aspect defining left/right and it's not the only aspect. I see this as a more accurate representation (one of many).

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That graph is DUMB. By that graph, guys like Stalin, Jung-un, Castro, etc. are only moderately to the left. That is false. They were/are extreme left.

They weren't extreme left - they were extreme authoritarian. Extreme left would have been a socialist collective. Stalin's USSR empowered Stalin, not the people.

 

[K9Buck]

I'll ask again. What policies did Hitler and Mussolini espouse that are "right wing"?

Coyote

I take it you don't want to answer this question.

 

[Zorro!]

CONSPIRACY TO DEPRIVE PEOPLE OF CIVIL RIGHTS: Ted Cruz: It’s time for the DOJ to investigate Portland’s mayor for letting Antifa run wild.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Proud Boys are at it again. They are a disgrace.

Proud Boys defending innocent Americans.

A terrorist like you hates that.

Do they have Proud Boys where you live? Oh yeah, they call them the IDF.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

The proud boys always instigate. They are crazy right wing nuts. Tramp loves it, he seeks to divide, exactly what Putin wants.

Nope.

The Brown Shirts instigate, the Proud Boys just defend.