rylah
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RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ percent, Dogmaphobe, et al,
Well, to a degree, I agree in part with Dogmaphobe. It is an unacceptable risk to (at this time and foreseeable future) allow the inhabitance of the West Bank (including Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip (≈ 5+ million people) Israeli citizen access and benefits. Even if the number of potential Jihadists (including Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighters) if only one percent (0.01) of one percent (0.01) that would be ≈ 50 to start. Remember what we refer to as the 9/11 attacks were carried out by 19 terrorist hijackers. And if there is a successful attack, that means that there was a support base. Jihadist do not live in isolation and they cannot live for long in one place too long when their own culture is on watch.
(COMMENT)I don't think it is a good idea.Why bring so many potential terrorists into Israel and change the dynamic vis a vis Jewish and Arab?
The last thing Israel needs right now is a greater percentage of Arabs living within its borders.
No-one is suggesting giving citizenship to terrorists.
The choices are simple:
1. Loyalty to Israeli sovereignty and civil service.
2. Leave with compensation if can't bear living with Jews.
3. Fight
In spite of all the horror forecasts there's no demographic danger, Jews on average have more kids than Arabs.
And while these three choices sounds reasonable, it is unrealistic that and hard core Jihadists (including Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighters) are going to color within the lines. They are going to use the opportunity to infiltrate Israel.
My estimation of one per cent (0.01) of one percent (0.01) is undeniably too conservation. You see many more time that number just on parade in Victory Marches in Gaza and pro-Jihadist gatherings in the West Bank. And that is not counting the numbers of people that support the terrorists incarcerated in Israeli Prisons OR the $48 million the Ramallah Government paid to "released terrorist prisoners." And it does not consider all the Arab Palestinians that promote the celebration and remembrance of long-dead terrorist.
I'm not saying it could never happen, but the Arab Palestinians are known to bite the hand that feeds them. It will take several generations after the cessation of hostilities before the Israelis are going to be "relatively safe" to lift restrictions on the inhabitance of the West Bank → given the current progress being made towards peace.
Most Respectfully,
R
Of course, that way, criminals will inevitably receive Israeli citizenship.
But so were the considerations before declaring independence, then too the US leadership thought it was unrealistic and that Israel would not survive the pressure.
70 years ago - security was already brought up as an argument against sovereignty.
Yet in spite of all the mess, Israel is one of the safest countries, its centers of population among the safest metropolitans, certainly more safe than many American cities, Paris and London.
The framework that was used for the last 30 years since Oslo has led only to inspiring hope among the Jihadis, and passed the problem to next generations. No practical alternatives have been suggested otherwise, that could out weight the benefits of sovereign control and Israeli citizenship for both sides of the conflict.
I don't see how keeping military control in Judea helps either Israeli politics, economy or security in the long run. Aside for the govt expenses and daily inconvenience, it leaves the too many open ends in an already unstable situatio, makes us look uncertain and fuels the same hope that prolonged the conflict for a whole century.
Fortunately demographics will leave Israelis no options because the center of the country is already overpopulated. Therefore for the next generation, which has more kids than previous and becomes more and more traditional, the main question is already on the table- Negev desert or the green hills of Judea?
The amount of US repatriates and investments moving to Judea, compared to the tech booming Be'er Sheva leaves no doubts as to the actual trends and priorities for the short term future.
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