And when only the police have guns....and decide the cartels pay better..they kill innocent people..

[2aguy]

Actually, he did tell John Lott he doesn't believe people have the right to own guns.......back when they were both at the University of Chicago....

And he's right. The Second Amendment is about Militias. The idea that a citizen has a "right" to own a gun regardless of his lack of training, mental stability or need is just crazy.

32,000 deaths and 78,000 injuries every year prove that.

Sorry......it is only 8-9,000 gun murders buy criminals breaking the law using guns.....and in 2013 only 505 accidental gun deaths.....and from brain....only 17,000 non fatal gun accidents....

In a country of over 320 million guns in private hands and over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense...

Suicide is not counted...since Japananese have no guns and commit suicide without guns at twice the rate of Americans...dittos South Korea.......

And again...the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.....I know you guys went to government schools controlled by the education wing of the democrat party....so you can't help but misread the most basic of sentences......

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

For God sakes. It's M E X I C O man. There isn't ANYTHING NORMAL in Mexico.

Dont you think our politicians have it in em to be that corrupt if they had total control?
I sure do. Of course they'd be a little more sophisticated about it.

 

[Brain357]

It puzzles me just a little bit that Obama wants to disarm the American public at the same time he wants to arm and aid rebels to depose foreign leaders. What a fucking joke Obama and the brainwashed liberals are!

Obama has not suggested disarming the American public.

Actually, he did tell John Lott he doesn't believe people have the right to own guns.......back when they were both at the University of Chicago....

Sure he did.

 

[Porker]

Dont you think our politicians have it in em to be that corrupt if they had total control?
I sure do. Of course they'd be a little more sophisticated about it.

Yeah, the ones who conducted Fast & Furious and used Executive Privilege to hide what they were up to. Namely Obama and Holder. Without a doubt.

Over 15 000 Fast and Furious records withheld under Obama executive privilege - Washington Times

Operation Fast and Furious Fast Facts - CNN.com

 

[JoeB131]

In a country of over 320 million guns in private hands and over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense...

We have too many deaths and injuries. Period. Shit, we recall thousands of baby seats if one baby dies. We just recalled millions of gallons of ice cream because a few people got sick. But aproduct that kills thousands? Meh... FOunding fathers.

 

[2aguy]

No...the product is used by criminals, and they murder people.......fatal accidents with guns were only 505 in 2013.....fatal accidents in cars....34,000....so joe...do we get rid of cars.....?

 

[asaratis]

In a country of over 320 million guns in private hands and over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense...

We have too many deaths and injuries. Period. Shit, we recall thousands of baby seats if one baby dies. We just recalled millions of gallons of ice cream because a few people got sick. But aproduct that kills thousands? Meh... FOunding fathers.

You blame guns. I blame uncontrolled anger. Any weapon will do when one wants to kill another. Take away one, another will be found. It's been going on since mankind discovered blunt force trauma and spears.

Only a complete fool thinks that laws or sanctions against ownership or use of any one weapon will prevent it's being used to kill people. People that want to kill people are going to kill people...one way or another.

 

[Marxist]

It's always a terrible sign when the state wants to put forth gun restrictions.

 

[JoeB131]

No...the product is used by criminals, and they murder people.......fatal accidents with guns were only 505 in 2013.....fatal accidents in cars....34,000....so joe...do we get rid of cars.....?

Uh the number of g un deaths is 32,000. Which is too many.

We could live without guns. Other countries have done this. There's no good reason for you to own a gun.

Cars would probably be harder to do without if we don't want to invest in massive public transportation and infrastructure.

Of course, as long as we have tiny pecker types like you who feel like gun control is like castration, it's going to be tough fight.

 

[JoeB131]

You blame guns. I blame uncontrolled anger. Any weapon will do when one wants to kill another. Take away one, another will be found. It's been going on since mankind discovered blunt force trauma and spears.

Bullshit. We have 11,000 gun deaths a year. The Japanese have 11. The British hae 48. The germans (who actually restrict gun ownership to RESPONSIBLE citizens) have 268.

Less guns = less murders, less suicides and less accidents. It also leads to less crime.

 

[2aguy]

No...the product is used by criminals, and they murder people.......fatal accidents with guns were only 505 in 2013.....fatal accidents in cars....34,000....so joe...do we get rid of cars.....?

Uh the number of g un deaths is 32,000. Which is too many.

We could live without guns. Other countries have done this. There's no good reason for you to own a gun.

Cars would probably be harder to do without if we don't want to invest in massive public transportation and infrastructure.

Of course, as long as we have tiny pecker types like you who feel like gun control is like castration, it's going to be tough fight.

Jpe...you stupid fuck...if you resort to insults you will be treated like the ass you are...

the number of gun murders for 2013 was only 8,454 which is down again from the previous year and a steady decrease from 2008 when it was over 9,000...and those are numbers taken from FBI table 8.... Which most say is more accurate than the CDC numbers.....

so dumb fuck.....8,454 illegal acts with guns

Fatal gun accidents 2013... 505

Non fatal gun accidents( from Brain)....17,000

In a country of over 320 million guns in private hands with over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense...

Even a dumb fuck like you can see that is no where near 32,000 gun deaths....

You have to pad your numbers with suicide...knowing that in Japan and South Korea they have no guns and still commit suicide at twice our rate...showing even someone as stupid as you that guns are not necessary to kill yourself so you don't get to pad your numbers with suicides you dumb fuck....


Cars...with required training...and safety features galore......2013 ....34,000 accidental deaths....

Non fatal car accident injuries...2,300,000

Car accidents are the leading cause of death for teenagers...

so...when guns are used by normal, law abiding citizens for self defense or recreation....

Only 505 accidental deaths.....in a country of over 320 million guns in private hands...

and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year.....those people needed their guns...and even though more people are owning and carrying guns...the gun crime rate and the accidental gun death rate are going down...not up.....people will always be,victims of violent criminal attack and they will need guns to save their life or the lives of others


Now Joe if you can't be polite....fuck you...

 

[2aguy]

You blame guns. I blame uncontrolled anger. Any weapon will do when one wants to kill another. Take away one, another will be found. It's been going on since mankind discovered blunt force trauma and spears.

Bullshit. We have 11,000 gun deaths a year. The Japanese have 11. The British hae 48. The germans (who actually restrict gun ownership to RESPONSIBLE citizens) have 268.

Less guns = less murders, less suicides and less accidents. It also leads to less crime.

as has been shown in recent weeks including last week...European criminals can get guns when they want or need them....they chose not to in most cases and that, like Japanese suicide is cultural, and not because of guns..

just last week another terrorist in France was caught with guns...planning on shooting up a church...and not on French gun control law stopped him....and he was another guy who was,on a government terrorist watch list...and he still got the guns...

Just like the 3 terrorists who killed the 12 cartoonists....French gun laws,did not stop them from gathering fully automatic rifles. Hand grenades, full,size pistols, and a rocket propelled grenade...2 of them were on terrorist watch lists and one was a convicted criminal...

and French gun control....far stricter than U.S. Gun laws.....did not stop them


also the week of the cartoonist attack more masked gunmen shot up a Marseilles neighborhood with fully automatic rifles just before the French prime minister was going to give a speech on crime...

Dittos for Denmark, Belgium Norway Australia, and Canada.....


European criminals don't use guns as a matter of culture...

Bitch to Hollywood and the music industry about glorifying guns for our criminal culture..Since they are the ones abusing guns in our country....

 

[Brain357]

You blame guns. I blame uncontrolled anger. Any weapon will do when one wants to kill another. Take away one, another will be found. It's been going on since mankind discovered blunt force trauma and spears.

Bullshit. We have 11,000 gun deaths a year. The Japanese have 11. The British hae 48. The germans (who actually restrict gun ownership to RESPONSIBLE citizens) have 268.

Less guns = less murders, less suicides and less accidents. It also leads to less crime.

as has been shown in recent weeks including last week...European criminals can get guns when they want or need them....they chose not to in most cases and that, like Japanese suicide is cultural, and not because of guns..

just last week another terrorist in France was caught with guns...planning on shooting up a church...and not on French gun control law stopped him....and he was another guy who was,on a government terrorist watch list...and he still got the guns...

Just like the 3 terrorists who killed the 12 cartoonists....French gun laws,did not stop them from gathering fully automatic rifles. Hand grenades, full,size pistols, and a rocket propelled grenade...2 of them were on terrorist watch lists and one was a convicted criminal...

and French gun control....far stricter than U.S. Gun laws.....did not stop them


also the week of the cartoonist attack more masked gunmen shot up a Marseilles neighborhood with fully automatic rifles just before the French prime minister was going to give a speech on crime...

Ditto a for den,all, Belgium Norway Australia, and Canada.....


European criminals don't use guns as amateur of culture...

Bitch to Hollywood and the music industry about glorifying guns for our criminal culture..Since they are the ones abusing guns in our country....

Don't we want criminals choosing more often not to have a gun? There they choose very infrequently to be armed, that sounds pretty nice. More armed citizens just means more armed criminals.

 

[2aguy]

You blame guns. I blame uncontrolled anger. Any weapon will do when one wants to kill another. Take away one, another will be found. It's been going on since mankind discovered blunt force trauma and spears.

Bullshit. We have 11,000 gun deaths a year. The Japanese have 11. The British hae 48. The germans (who actually restrict gun ownership to RESPONSIBLE citizens) have 268.

Less guns = less murders, less suicides and less accidents. It also leads to less crime.

as has been shown in recent weeks including last week...European criminals can get guns when they want or need them....they chose not to in most cases and that, like Japanese suicide is cultural, and not because of guns..

just last week another terrorist in France was caught with guns...planning on shooting up a church...and not on French gun control law stopped him....and he was another guy who was,on a government terrorist watch list...and he still got the guns...

Just like the 3 terrorists who killed the 12 cartoonists....French gun laws,did not stop them from gathering fully automatic rifles. Hand grenades, full,size pistols, and a rocket propelled grenade...2 of them were on terrorist watch lists and one was a convicted criminal...

and French gun control....far stricter than U.S. Gun laws.....did not stop them


also the week of the cartoonist attack more masked gunmen shot up a Marseilles neighborhood with fully automatic rifles just before the French prime minister was going to give a speech on crime...

Ditto a for den,all, Belgium Norway Australia, and Canada.....


European criminals don't use guns as amateur of culture...

Bitch to Hollywood and the music industry about glorifying guns for our criminal culture..Since they are the ones abusing guns in our country....

Don't we want criminals choosing more often not to have a gun? There they choose very infrequently to be armed, that sounds pretty nice. More armed citizens just means more armed criminals.

Fewer armed citizens means fewer armed victims....who stop violent attack...ask the 74 year old woman who stopped a robbery with her pistol....

Tell hollywood and the music industry......they are to blame for a lot of the gun violence...as is our gang culture

And in a country of over 320 million people....8,454 deaths due to criminal gun violence is a tiny number vs. over 320 million guns in private hands........and that is the lowest rate in years.....that crime rate is going down as more people are armed and as police get the resources to stop violent criminals........

I won't ask people to be helpless in the face of violent rape, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, torture and rape...

We had 2 rapes on or near trains and buses recently in Chicago (two that made the news).....one occurred this week...a 15 year old kid raped a woman on a train between stops in the city......and the thing is...with our new concealed carry laws...you can't carry a pistol on your person...it has to be unloaded and in a container when you ride public transportation......so that woman would be disarmed by law on that train.......and it doesn't look like the kid used a gun for the rape...

So you Brain, by your position...would say that it is better that she be raped than have the ability to stop it...just pointing out where your position leads....considering that guns are the most effective way to stop stranger rape.....

 

[JoeB131]

Jpe...you stupid fuck...if you resort to insults you will be treated like the ass you are...

the number of gun murders for 2013 was only 8,454 which is down again from the previous year and a steady decrease from 2008 when it was over 9,000...and those are numbers taken from FBI table 8.... Which most say is more accurate than the CDC numbers.....

1) The number is closer to 11,000. The FBI under-reports most numbers. If you want to there, the FBI also reports that there are only 201 justifiable homicides and 56,000 Defensive gun uses a year. So stop cherry picking, "Tiny".

I won't ask people to be helpless in the face of violent rape, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, torture and rape...

But you are perfectly fine with their kids killing themselves because a gun was easily available.

We had 2 rapes on or near trains and buses recently in Chicago (two that made the news).....one occurred this week...a 15 year old kid raped a woman on a train between stops in the city......and the thing is...with our new concealed carry laws...you can't carry a pistol on your person...it has to be unloaded and in a container when you ride public transportation......so that woman would be disarmed by law on that train.......and it doesn't look like the kid used a gun for the rape...

Guns don't stop crimes. The criminal always has the advantage of knowing when and where he will strike.

 

[2aguy]

Jpe...you stupid fuck...if you resort to insults you will be treated like the ass you are...

the number of gun murders for 2013 was only 8,454 which is down again from the previous year and a steady decrease from 2008 when it was over 9,000...and those are numbers taken from FBI table 8.... Which most say is more accurate than the CDC numbers.....

1) The number is closer to 11,000. The FBI under-reports most numbers. If you want to there, the FBI also reports that there are only 201 justifiable homicides and 56,000 Defensive gun uses a year. So stop cherry picking, "Tiny".

I won't ask people to be helpless in the face of violent rape, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, torture and rape...

But you are perfectly fine with their kids killing themselves because a gun was easily available.

We had 2 rapes on or near trains and buses recently in Chicago (two that made the news).....one occurred this week...a 15 year old kid raped a woman on a train between stops in the city......and the thing is...with our new concealed carry laws...you can't carry a pistol on your person...it has to be unloaded and in a container when you ride public transportation......so that woman would be disarmed by law on that train.......and it doesn't look like the kid used a gun for the rape...

Guns don't stop crimes. The criminal always has the advantage of knowing when and where he will strike.

Wow...you insist on being a stupid fuck.....

The FBI numbers are seen as more accurate even with the discrepancies in all attempts to gather stats...and they report 8,454 gun murders...total....in 2013.....go bitch to them about their numbers.....


And according to 16 separate studies, done by both public and private researchers, many of them anti gun, over a period of 40 years....I averaged those 16 and came up with 1.6 million defensive gun uses each year...so fuck you......moron...

As to kids.....it is stupid fucks like you who fight any attempt to teach gun safety in elementary schools where it would do some good at saving kids lives.....

So it is stupid fucks like you who prefer dead kids.....they are tools that you use...you drag them in front of the cameras of the democrat controlled press in order to push your agenda......fewer dead kids....fewer chances to get guns taken away from law abiding, normal Americans.....the blood is on your hands asshole.....

 

[Brain357]

Jpe...you stupid fuck...if you resort to insults you will be treated like the ass you are...

the number of gun murders for 2013 was only 8,454 which is down again from the previous year and a steady decrease from 2008 when it was over 9,000...and those are numbers taken from FBI table 8.... Which most say is more accurate than the CDC numbers.....

1) The number is closer to 11,000. The FBI under-reports most numbers. If you want to there, the FBI also reports that there are only 201 justifiable homicides and 56,000 Defensive gun uses a year. So stop cherry picking, "Tiny".

I won't ask people to be helpless in the face of violent rape, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, torture and rape...

But you are perfectly fine with their kids killing themselves because a gun was easily available.

We had 2 rapes on or near trains and buses recently in Chicago (two that made the news).....one occurred this week...a 15 year old kid raped a woman on a train between stops in the city......and the thing is...with our new concealed carry laws...you can't carry a pistol on your person...it has to be unloaded and in a container when you ride public transportation......so that woman would be disarmed by law on that train.......and it doesn't look like the kid used a gun for the rape...

Guns don't stop crimes. The criminal always has the advantage of knowing when and where he will strike.

Wow...you insist on being a stupid fuck.....

The FBI numbers are seen as more accurate even with the discrepancies in all attempts to gather stats...and they report 8,454 gun murders...total....in 2013.....go bitch to them about their numbers.....


And according to 16 separate studies, done by both public and private researchers, many of them anti gun, over a period of 40 years....I averaged those 16 and came up with 1.6 million defensive gun uses each year...so fuck you......moron...

As to kids.....it is stupid fucks like you who fight any attempt to teach gun safety in elementary schools where it would do some good at saving kids lives.....

So it is stupid fucks like you who prefer dead kids.....they are tools that you use...you drag them in front of the cameras of the democrat controlled press in order to push your agenda......fewer dead kids....fewer chances to get guns taken away from law abiding, normal Americans.....the blood is on your hands asshole.....

Just for the record if you are going to accept the fbi numbers for homicides(and I do), you can't later claim the justifiable homicide numbers are inaccurate. You may have a history of that claim.

 

[asaratis]

....

Bullshit. We have 11,000 gun deaths a year. The Japanese have 11. The British hae 48. The germans (who actually restrict gun ownership to RESPONSIBLE citizens) have 268.

Less guns = less murders, less suicides and less accidents. It also leads to less crime.

From 32,000 to 11,000 already? Keep going down and you'll get to the correct number.

 

[asaratis]

......

Don't we want criminals choosing more often not to have a gun? There they choose very infrequently to be armed, that sounds pretty nice. More armed citizens just means more armed criminals.

When you are able to get criminals to make choices based on your opinion, please let me know. The criminal mind works independently of civilized society...including its laws, ethics and sense of acceptable community behavior.

 

[Brain357]

......

Don't we want criminals choosing more often not to have a gun? There they choose very infrequently to be armed, that sounds pretty nice. More armed citizens just means more armed criminals.

When you are able to get criminals to make choices based on your opinion, please let me know. The criminal mind works independently of civilized society...including its laws, ethics and sense of acceptable community behavior.

Hey taguy says in countries with fewer guns criminals choose to not use guns. That sounds good to me.