Americans Will Suffer Under New Obamacare Mandates

[The Rabbi]

That's the last you'll hear from those two dumbfucks.
When facts arise, Libs depart.

 

[peach174]

The best slaves are those that willingly accept their slavery, without unions or other supporting structures, American employees today are becoming slaves to corporate profits. If employees chose to work in lousy work conditions, unlike the conditions their parents or my generation grew up with, then it is your choice. Paying for social security or medicare would be impossible today, and America would still be the dumb place it was in the early 20th century. You make your bed, or is it the corporations that make it for you. All this doom and gloom is the only thing the right does, and they do it so well. Whine on suckers.

And Freedom as so often used by the un-free is just meaningless rhetoric, it is meaningless outside of context and outside the social community that defines possibility. http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50799-is-freedom-real.html



http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...-all-your-questions-on-uhc-5.html#post1422612


"Access to affordable health care will help insure domestic tranquility, it will provide a common defense against illness and the exorbitant cost of health care, and it will indeed promote the general welfare. Nothing is more crucial to the general welfare of American citizens than their health and that requires access to affordable health care." Does The Constitution Include Health Care For All?


"Teddy Roosevelt first called for (health care) reform nearly a century ago."
PolitiFact | Obama invokes Republican icons on health care

And Teddy Roosevelt's Health Care was defeated, as was President Clinton's and so should have Obama's
A Health Care passed by one party as a super majority and against the majority of people is not the American way.

 

[Triton]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

 

[Uncensored2008]

im surprised i didnt get neg rep'd for embarrassing him

The only one you've embarrassed around here is yourself, skippy...

I'll let you in on a little secret, I've never "neg repped" anyone. I've returned a few, when slobs left them in my profile, but I'm not so childish as to neg people for having a differing view point. Of course, I'm not a leftist.

 

[daveman]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

MassCare’s Dismal Failure Is A Preview Of Whats To Come With ObamaCare | Flopping Aces

TennCare—A Failure Of Politics, Not Policy: A Conversation With Gordon Bonnyman

Single payer is a failure.

 

[RDD_1210]

I'm talking about 159 NEW Agencies

http://www.house.gov/brady/pdf/Obamacare_Chart.pdf

What do you think this chart proves? You can barely read it. Tell me you think this proves what you are claiming. Please.

 

[RDD_1210]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

MassCare’s Dismal Failure Is A Preview Of Whats To Come With ObamaCare | Flopping Aces

TennCare—A Failure Of Politics, Not Policy: A Conversation With Gordon Bonnyman

Single payer is a failure.

What does single payer have to do with "obamacare"?

 

[Skynet]

you actually already do by paying your current health insurance premiums, or do you not undertand how health insurance work

Apparently it is you who doesn't comprehend how HMO and PPO health coverage works. Contrary to your claim the model is based on average usage. Each group participant establishes experion, payment model points. The group rates reflect the experion point value.

Catastrophic coverage follows the traditional insurance model, but that is not what Obama's fascist care covers. General health care is not based on an insurance model, as all participants are assumed to utilize the services.

ummmmmm that may be one of the stupidest thing anyone could say. you pay your premiums for health care services. check ups, vaccination, physicals, etc. and when your premium dollars dont cover the costs of you treatments, the services are paid for by collection of other subscribers premium. lol

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net - whole list of things not in the constitution including the Air Force, Executive Order, Slavery, and the Right to Vote.

Oh, well a straw man is BOUND to help your case....

How about listing ice cream flavors, you know, since you're posting utterly irrelevant lists.....

thanks for not disputing that none of those things are in the constitution.

Nope - the SCOTUS has ruled that the state can NOT compel individuals to purchase items from private concerns.

do you have a supreme court ruling youd like to reference, or are you making things up as usual?

Your claim regarding auto insurance is likewise false. You let the leftist hate sites do your thinking, and they are often wrong. No state mandates auto-insurance as a prerequisite to obtaining a license - zero - not one. No state mandates purchasing insurance under ANY circumstance.

Many states have "financial responsibility" laws that require a level of liability. Given that a vehicle poses a danger to others, one must be prepared to pay for the consequences of ones action. The method of preparation can be cash, bond or insurance. No one is forced to buy anything.

all states have financial responsibility laws, which translates to either a $25,000 bond or mandatory auto insurance. let me guess since you dont have $25,000 cash im assuming you followed the insurance mandeate then..

Emergency care to stabilize is not the same as general care.

you get access to cheaper health care because everyone is paying into the system

Quite the opposite. Obama's fascist care proposals have vastly increased the cost of health care and driven costs through the roof.

prove this! between 2000 and 2009 health care premiums doubled all thanks to the new health care law right? oh wait a min..... that wasnt signed until march 2010..... which means that health care costs increased 100% because the HC companies had an increase is costs and wanted to increase profits! damn, you forgot about that didnt you?

what about your individual rights? tell me what rights are being taken away.

The right to trade time and labor for the things one values. Obama's fascist care represents involuntary servitude and violates the 13th amendment.

i dont see the "right to trade time and labor for the things ones values" written specificallyin the constitution. please show me where this is....

 

[peach174]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

That's just it. The majority of Americans are against this health care bill ever since it was passed. The majority still wants it repealed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

 

[Skynet]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

That's just it. The majority of Americans are against this health care bill ever since it was passed. The majority still wants it repealed.

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

Other than the mandate, can you please point to a "specific" section of the new health care law that you oppose.

 

[KissMy]

Democrats praise Obamacare & it has yet to save a human life it only keeps government alive. It is a tax scheme that has been taxing us to keep the government alive. No citizens are getting care from it. Citizens are only getting punished by it. This tax increase has cost jobs & caused financial difficulties that have caused stress, health issues & death of citizens.

 

[RDD_1210]

Democrats praise Obamacare & it has yet to save a human life it only keeps government alive. It is a tax scheme that has been taxing us to keep the government alive. No citizens are getting care from it. Citizens are only getting punished by it. This tax increase has cost jobs & caused financial difficulties that have caused stress, health issues & death of citizens.

Congrats on not stating one actual truthful thing in your entire post. That's impressive.

 

[RDD_1210]

If everyone wants government run healthcare than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their healthcare which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide healthcare then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal healthcare and its done.

If the majority of americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

That's just it. The majority of Americans are against this health care bill ever since it was passed. The majority still wants it repealed.

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

Other than the mandate, can you please point to a "specific" section of the new health care law that you oppose.

Of course she can't. Oh wait..."death panels"

 

[The Rabbi]

The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it. Thus there is no incentive to shop around, to economize, etc.
Obamacare does nothing to change that calculus. In fact it makes it worse. The result will be skyrocketing health care costs and a moribund system as the gov't squeezes more and more profit out of it. Eventually health care will become rationed. And yes, death panels.

 

[Skynet]

Democrats praise Obamacare & it has yet to save a human life it only keeps government alive. It is a tax scheme that has been taxing us to keep the government alive. No citizens are getting care from it. Citizens are only getting punished by it. This tax increase has cost jobs & caused financial difficulties that have caused stress, health issues & death of citizens.

can you provide an links that prove your claims or are you simply making things up to suit your argument?

just like this: Health Reform Bill Summary: The Top 18 Immediate Effects

No Lifetime Caps
No preexisting conditions
No more have your coverage dropped when you are sick
All insurance must cover preventative care
Insurance companies must spend 80% of premium dollars on patient services

all those are terrible ideas..

 

[Skynet]

The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it. Thus there is no incentive to shop around, to economize, etc.
Obamacare does nothing to change that calculus. In fact it makes it worse. The result will be skyrocketing health care costs and a moribund system as the gov't squeezes more and more profit out of it. Eventually health care will become rationed. And yes, death panels.

"The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it."

explain this exactly? are you angry because people get free health care? if this is the case why shouldnt they be forced to pay into the system?

 

[The Rabbi]

The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it. Thus there is no incentive to shop around, to economize, etc.
Obamacare does nothing to change that calculus. In fact it makes it worse. The result will be skyrocketing health care costs and a moribund system as the gov't squeezes more and more profit out of it. Eventually health care will become rationed. And yes, death panels.

"The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it."

explain this exactly? are you angry because people get free health care? if this is the case why shouldnt they be forced to pay into the system?

Im not angry about anything.
But the fact is that we have a largely 3rd party payer system here, whether that party is Medicare, Medicaid, Blue Cross etc. That encourages people to use medical services indiscriminately because someone else is picking up the tab.
The uninsured is a very small part of the problem. Most people going to the ER have insurance.

 

[Skynet]

The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it. Thus there is no incentive to shop around, to economize, etc.
Obamacare does nothing to change that calculus. In fact it makes it worse. The result will be skyrocketing health care costs and a moribund system as the gov't squeezes more and more profit out of it. Eventually health care will become rationed. And yes, death panels.

"The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it."

explain this exactly? are you angry because people get free health care? if this is the case why shouldnt they be forced to pay into the system?

Im not angry about anything.
But the fact is that we have a largely 3rd party payer system here, whether that party is Medicare, Medicaid, Blue Cross etc. That encourages people to use medical services indiscriminately because someone else is picking up the tab.
The uninsured is a very small part of the problem. Most people going to the ER have insurance.

so what is your solution? single payer?

the model i think that should be followed (if not single payer) is the kaiser model. as they are a non profit and both sell insurance as well as own and operate their own hospitals and HC facilities. thus everything is under one roof.

the uninsured are a huge problem, the only consume services, but do not pay into the system. dont you think they should have to pay into the system?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/uninsured-us-citizens/

the uninsured make up rough% of the general population and are typically well under the poverty level. (based on a population estimate of 307 million - i googled it)

 

[peach174]

If everyone wants government run health care than the people of each state should vote and give their state the power to run their health care which is going to mean tax increases. Powers not given to the Federal government are reserved for the states, right?

That way NY and CA can have government run health care and the taxpayers of the other states don't have to foot the bill.

If you want nationwide health care then there has to be a constitutional amendment. Have an amendment giving the power to the Federal government to have universal health care and its done.

If the majority of Americans throughout the country want it than surely an amendment can be passed?

That's just it. The majority of Americans are against this health care bill ever since it was passed. The majority still wants it repealed.

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

Other than the mandate, can you please point to a "specific" section of the new health care law that you oppose.

Look at the cost of Medicare and Medicaid 817 Billion
Doctor's are not taking any new patients who are on Medicare, because they can't afford it. It has a cap on what they will get paid for services.
You have any idea how long you are going to have to wait to get an appointment?
Try at least 3 to 5 months.
Premiums are still going up.
The cost to state governments and companies.
Why do you think the majority of Americans have never wanted government Health care.
Ever since Teddy Roosevelt to today the majority has not wanted it.

 

[The Rabbi]

"The main issue with health care costs, and thus insurance, is that the person getting health care is not the person paying for it."

explain this exactly? are you angry because people get free health care? if this is the case why shouldnt they be forced to pay into the system?

Im not angry about anything.
But the fact is that we have a largely 3rd party payer system here, whether that party is Medicare, Medicaid, Blue Cross etc. That encourages people to use medical services indiscriminately because someone else is picking up the tab.
The uninsured is a very small part of the problem. Most people going to the ER have insurance.

so what is your solution? single payer?

the model i think that should be followed (if not single payer) is the kaiser model. as they are a non profit and both sell insurance as well as own and operate their own hospitals and HC facilities. thus everything is under one roof.

the uninsured are a huge problem, the only consume services, but do not pay into the system. dont you think they should have to pay into the system?

Uninsured U.S. Citizens | FactCheck.org

the uninsured make up rough% of the general population and are typically well under the poverty level. (based on a population estimate of 307 million - i googled it)

End corporate deductibility of insurance premiums. Lower tax rates so people can shop for their own insurance. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines. Tort reform.
Generally the theme should be to push as much responsibility on the individual as possible. This way people make their own decisions, which usually end up costing less.

The uninsured are not that big a factor in health care costs. They are a factor, but there are otehr much bigger ones.