America was FOUNDED on secession

[Cowman]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

America was founded because we seceded... but that does NOT mean we have a tradition of being accepting of secession. Especially not from ourselves.

In seceding, you will be taking our land, you will be taking our people, you will be taking our resources. We will fight to get it back.

And we will win.

The colonies DID NOT "secede". The colonists did NOT have the rights of English citizens: "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION", remember?

Those were British colonies. Do you know what secession is? We withdrew from the British and revolted.

 

[MuadDib]

Who said anything about obedience to the U.S. Government? We're talking about secession idiot. Normal people just don't go out and start their own country... least not by attempting to take a chunk out of an existing one.

If you think not entertaining thoughts of secession is "obedience to the government", then you're a retard. It's about desire to see structural integrity of the country.

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison went out and started their own country.

Yeah, and they had the British try and stop them.

Guess what? We're the British in that situation. The United States is not about people just going up and doing what we did.

If you want to start your own country, buy an island. You're not going to take the US infrastructure and disrupt our way of life without an appropriate response from our armed forces.

If the British had won, would that make them right and the Colonies wrong or does it just mean that right and wrong are determined by who wins?

 

[MuadDib]

America was founded because we seceded... but that does NOT mean we have a tradition of being accepting of secession. Especially not from ourselves.

In seceding, you will be taking our land, you will be taking our people, you will be taking our resources. We will fight to get it back.

And we will win.

The colonies DID NOT "secede". The colonists did NOT have the rights of English citizens: "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION", remember?

Those were British colonies. Do you know what secession is? We withdrew from the British and revolted.

Were the Colonies trying overthrow King George? No.

Was the Confederacy trying to overthrow the Federal government? No.

 

[thanatos144]

You love your corrupt country; that's fine. I love liberty. That's the country that I seek to live in.

Liberty or selfish desires????? Cause confederacy is selfish bullshit that doesnt work.

Liberty. And although I don't agree with slavery; the confederacy were otherwise standing on principle. The Northern states accepted slavery as part of the union when they formed the country.

So? The ability of the people to change is the whole point of liberty! Being pissed and destroying everyone's freedom cause you didnt get your way isn't....That called being a selfish git. There was a reason for the constitution and the abolishment of the confederacy agreements. Hell if you want to know what they were read the federalist papers.

 

[Cowman]

The colonies DID NOT "secede". The colonists did NOT have the rights of English citizens: "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION", remember?

Those were British colonies. Do you know what secession is? We withdrew from the British and revolted.

Were the Colonies trying overthrow King George? No.

Was the Confederacy trying to overthrow the Federal government? No.

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

 

[MuadDib]

Those were British colonies. Do you know what secession is? We withdrew from the British and revolted.

Were the Colonies trying overthrow King George? No.

Was the Confederacy trying to overthrow the Federal government? No.

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

 

[Peach]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

 

[Cowman]

Were the Colonies trying overthrow King George? No.

Was the Confederacy trying to overthrow the Federal government? No.

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

Different motivations.

But what does any of that matter? It doesn't matter what motivation you have. You aren't seceding without the US doing something about it.

 

[Cowman]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

You made a thread about semantics? Fact of the matter is we split. It doesn't matter if it was via revolution or peace.

 

[MuadDib]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

It was a secession. Read the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Peach]

America was founded because we seceded... but that does NOT mean we have a tradition of being accepting of secession. Especially not from ourselves.

In seceding, you will be taking our land, you will be taking our people, you will be taking our resources. We will fight to get it back.

And we will win.

The colonies DID NOT "secede". The colonists did NOT have the rights of English citizens: "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION", remember?

Those were British colonies. Do you know what secession is? We withdrew from the British and revolted.

I posted The Declaratory Act of 1766 which states the colonists are NOT equal citizens. There was no "secession", is might be better phrased a slave REBELLION.

 

[dilloduck]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

Actually our founders declared independence. Thomas Paine said it was our natural right.

 

[MuadDib]

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

Different motivations.

But what does any of that matter? It doesn't matter what motivation you have. You aren't seceding without the US doing something about it.

King George tried to do something about it. If he'd won, would that victory have made Great Britain morally right?

 

[MuadDib]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

Actually our founders declared independence. Thomas Paine said it was our natural right.

The Southern states declared theirs as well with their ordinances of secession. They then gathered together and formed a constitutional government.

Even Jefferson said, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

 

[Peach]

Were the Colonies trying overthrow King George? No.

Was the Confederacy trying to overthrow the Federal government? No.

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

The Declaratory Act of 1766, wherein the colonies were deemed SUBORDINATE to the people of Britain:

The Declaratory Act, March 18, 1766

No such action was taken prior to the Civil War, and the colonies did NOT 'secede'.

 

[thanatos144]

I posted a thread with a bit of history for those who think the colonies "seceded". It did not happen, we rebelled, as underlings as ofttimes so do.

Actually our founders declared independence. Thomas Paine said it was our natural right.

The Southern states declared theirs as well with their ordinances of secession. They then gathered together and formed a constitutional government.

Even Jefferson said, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

and then they preceded to start a war by continually firing on a US base.

 

[MuadDib]

Since when is secession about overthrowing? You're attributing way too much to the word.

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

The Declaratory Act of 1766, wherein the colonies were deemed SUBORDINATE to the people of Britain:

The Declaratory Act, March 18, 1766

No such action was taken prior to the Civil War, and the colonies did NOT 'secede'.

Yes they did. They broke away and formed their own government. You're arguing semantics and some are falling all over themselves to "prove" that it's a different thing.

 

[MuadDib]

Actually our founders declared independence. Thomas Paine said it was our natural right.

The Southern states declared theirs as well with their ordinances of secession. They then gathered together and formed a constitutional government.

Even Jefferson said, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

and then they preceded to start a war by continually firing on a US base.

That was a battle in which the only casualty was one Confederate horse.

Lincoln had promised in good faith not to try to reinforce the garrison at Fort Sumter and then broke that promise only days later.

 

[Cowman]

Then what was the difference between the Colonies seceding to form their own government and the Confederate states seceding to form their own government?

Different motivations.

But what does any of that matter? It doesn't matter what motivation you have. You aren't seceding without the US doing something about it.

King George tried to do something about it. If he'd won, would that victory have made Great Britain morally right?

From the mindset of the English? Probably. You speak about morality regarding such things as if it's a definite from any perspective.

 

[dilloduck]

Different motivations.

But what does any of that matter? It doesn't matter what motivation you have. You aren't seceding without the US doing something about it.

King George tried to do something about it. If he'd won, would that victory have made Great Britain morally right?

From the mindset of the English? Probably. You speak about morality regarding such things as if it's a definite from any perspective.

There woud be no American perspective---there would be no America.