America was FOUNDED on secession

[ShootSpeeders]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

 

[Charles_Main]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

First off, I have not heard anyone other than FUCKING loons seriously Talking Succession. They are refusing to Comply with OBamacare because the court says they don't have to set up an exchange or expand Madicaid.

Second, the Supreme Court Decided the Issue of Succession after the Civil war, and they did not come down in Favor of it.

Basically there concept is one state can not just vote to leave the Union, leaving their Debt Obligations and taking resources that belong to the Nation not the State.

 

[occupied]

It's not nonsense, it's the reality, any state that even attempted such a folly would be declared a martial law area and the leaders arrested and imprisoned.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

It's not nonsense, it's the reality, any state that even attempted such a folly would be declared a martial law area and the leaders arrested and imprisoned.

Address the issue. Why is it ok for the original 13 colonies to secede from England but wrong for say, Florida or Wisconsin to secede from the USA.?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Second, the Supreme Court Decided the Issue of Succession after the Civil war, and they did not come down in Favor of it.

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First time i heard that. Give us the name of the court case.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

The Articles of Confederation established perpetual union.

 

[occupied]

It's not nonsense, it's the reality, any state that even attempted such a folly would be declared a martial law area and the leaders arrested and imprisoned.

Address the issue. Why was it ok for the original 13 colonies to secede from England but wrong for say, Florida or Wisconsin to secede from the USA.?

There is a significant difference between a colony gaining independence from a distant motherland and a bunch of confederate assholes trying to steal a chunk of US territory and separate the people who live there from equal protection under the US constitution.

 

[demiurge]

Second, the Supreme Court Decided the Issue of Succession after the Civil war, and they did not come down in Favor of it.

Yep. Unilateral secession was illegal (and this of course was in 1869, in Texas v White). If it had gone before the bloodiest war in American history was fought, it might have come out differently.

Secession was still possible, but required assent of Congress.

Basically there concept is one state can not just vote to leave the Union, leaving their Debt Obligations and taking resources that belong to the Nation not the State.

Just so.

 

[demiurge]

The Articles of Confederation established perpetual union.

And then were supplanted by 'a more perfect union.'

So just saying, I'm taking my ball home and leaving is not legally valid.

 

[Charles_Main]

Many Argue that while the 14th amendment does not Specifically forbid Secession, It Implies that it is not Legal.

 

[Cowman]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

America was founded because we seceded... but that does NOT mean we have a tradition of being accepting of secession. Especially not from ourselves.

In seceding, you will be taking our land, you will be taking our people, you will be taking our resources. We will fight to get it back.

And we will win.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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There is a significant difference between a colony gaining independence from a distant motherland and a bunch of confederate assholes trying to steal a chunk of US territory and separate the people who live there from equal protection under the US constitution.

Fine but that's not the issue. Both cases are still secession.

 

[onecut39]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

The Articles of Confederation established perpetual union.

I did not know that was still in force. What section of the constitution sanctions that?

 

[Charles_Main]

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There is a significant difference between a colony gaining independence from a distant motherland and a bunch of confederate assholes trying to steal a chunk of US territory and separate the people who live there from equal protection under the US constitution.

Fine but that's not the issue. Both cases are still secession.

Not really, Secession is leaving a union you willfully joined. We were a possession of England and not one person Born here had a choice in the matter. Nor representation to even argue for better treatment, or a legally way to independence.

Hardly the same situation at all.

When the South left the union, the did it because they tired and failed to get their way at the Polls. They had representation, they were just unhappy with the Out Come of an Election.

Now sure how one compares that to the 13 Colonies declaring independence from a Monarch who gave them no Representation and treated them like a Possession. In effect we were all the King of England's Slaves.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Yep. Unilateral secession was illegal (and this of course was in 1869, in Texas v White). If it had gone before the bloodiest war in American history was fought, it might have come out differently.

Secession was still possible, but required assent of Congress.
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So you still insist George Washington was a traitor for supporting secession without assent of england?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Not really, Secession is leaving a union you willfully joined. We were a possession of England and not one person Born here had a choice in the matter. Nor representation to even argue for better treatment, or a legally way to independence.
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Now that's really pathetic. How many southerners in 1861 had a choice in being a citizen of america.?

 

[PratchettFan]

With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.

Not a single state is talking about secesion. I would not be surprised if some individual politicians are, but that only proves that even a jackass can be elected.

 

[Peach]

It's not nonsense, it's the reality, any state that even attempted such a folly would be declared a martial law area and the leaders arrested and imprisoned.

Address the issue. Why is it ok for the original 13 colonies to secede from England but wrong for say, Florida or Wisconsin to secede from the USA.?

The colonies were never anything but that, COLONIES; there was no representation in England for the colonies. You need a fifth grade level history book.

 

[Charles_Main]

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Not really, Secession is leaving a union you willfully joined. We were a possession of England and not one person Born here had a choice in the matter. Nor representation to even argue for better treatment, or a legally way to independence.
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Now that's really pathetic. How many southerners in 1861 had a choice in being a citizen of america.?

It's not about having a choice to be a citizen Dude. They had Elected Representatives in the US congress. They were simply unhappy that their side lost. They were not the Subjects of the US government, they were citizens of a Democracy, and had equal representation in Government.

The American Colonists had 0 Representation in their Government, and were the Subjects of a Monarch not the free citizens of a Democracy.

Epic Fail.

 

[PratchettFan]

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Not really, Secession is leaving a union you willfully joined. We were a possession of England and not one person Born here had a choice in the matter. Nor representation to even argue for better treatment, or a legally way to independence.
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Now that's really pathetic. How many southerners in 1861 had a choice in being a citizen of america.?

Oh, individuals can secede. So can you. All you have to do is reject your citizenship and move out. Tata. Heck, we won't even confiscate your stuff. You can sell it or keep it, as you please. But we can't have illegal aliens about, so we do ask you to leave. Where will you get a better deal than that?

However, the states did make the choice.