America was FOUNDED on secession

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    With so many states refusing to implement Obamacare and talking of secession, it's important to remember that the original 13 colonies seceded from England. Liberals say secession is treason but that's nonsense.
     
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    First off, I have not heard anyone other than FUCKING loons seriously Talking Succession. They are refusing to Comply with OBamacare because the court says they don't have to set up an exchange or expand Madicaid.

    Second, the Supreme Court Decided the Issue of Succession after the Civil war, and they did not come down in Favor of it.

    Basically there concept is one state can not just vote to leave the Union, leaving their Debt Obligations and taking resources that belong to the Nation not the State.
     
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    It's not nonsense, it's the reality, any state that even attempted such a folly would be declared a martial law area and the leaders arrested and imprisoned.
     
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    Address the issue. Why is it ok for the original 13 colonies to secede from England but wrong for say, Florida or Wisconsin to secede from the USA.?
     
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    First time i heard that. Give us the name of the court case.
     
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    The Articles of Confederation established perpetual union.
     
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    There is a significant difference between a colony gaining independence from a distant motherland and a bunch of confederate assholes trying to steal a chunk of US territory and separate the people who live there from equal protection under the US constitution.
     
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    Yep. Unilateral secession was illegal (and this of course was in 1869, in Texas v White). If it had gone before the bloodiest war in American history was fought, it might have come out differently.

    Secession was still possible, but required assent of Congress.

    Just so.
     
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    And then were supplanted by 'a more perfect union.'

    So just saying, I'm taking my ball home and leaving is not legally valid.
     
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    Many Argue that while the 14th amendment does not Specifically forbid Secession, It Implies that it is not Legal.
     

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