America should change sides and support Palestine.

[eots]

Hamas was duly elected by the palestinian people. Therefore all palestinian people are equally as guilty as Hamas. Palestine needs to be carpet bombed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wfz1DA6x_I&feature=g-high-lik]Blowback: Did Israel Help To Create Hamas? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Darkwind]

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

the world thinks differently.

some israelis are afraid to leave their country for fear of a reverse mordechai vanunu.

HAMAS has been in a siege-like state for years. a blockade is an act of war.

those dead children are israel's fault; and it is the fault of any person who supports israel.

The world does not think differently. They simply have not been informed, nor will they likely be in the future.

However, there are reasons that it is a violation of human rights to house military assets in civilian areas. It is amazing to Me that no one ever dares question the Palestinians, and demands justice for their criminal acts.

 

[Darkwind]

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

Hamas doesn't supply its own electricity or water; neither does it control its air space or coastal waters.
In what way do those deficiencies make Hamas a "self-sustaining government body?"

They are elected by the Palestinian people to govern. Their inability to do so does not negate the fact that they bear responsibility for getting their people killed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

[P F Tinmore]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations | LII / Legal Information Institute

Is there a meaning to this post?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are they dead or is it Pallywood?

If they are dead, that means four fewer future terrorists.

Please, Katzndogz, have mercy on us ALL.

Do you understand your comment is EXACTLY how jihadist terrorists feel about Americans? As spawn of the "Great Satan" that are "better off dead" than corrupting society with our unchecked "free enterprise", enslaving abused workers and monopolizing natural resources, thinking we are God's gift to the world. (Which we are of course, but still...)

Please think before you post something this sad about innocent civilians killed because of hostility of others they had no say in. Think of the 4 people we just lost in Libya. Would you REALLY want someone speaking ill of those dead as you just did with these poor children?

(Now, if these kids were Democrats who voted for Obama
that's another story! Say whatever you want!)

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans. Do you understand that? It is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans and they always have. We are corrupted, women show their tits and their faces. The women are whores and the men are whoremongers who don't grow a decent beard. Americans will fuck anything. They have evil music and dance. Did you think for a minute it was because we have free enterprise? No. They don't care about Free Enterprise, nor do they give a thought to natural resources. They care about killing off beauty (100 people died in the Beauty Contest riots in Africa) and ending what they consider anti islamic infidels.

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans.

Indeed, a blond, Christian woman, from the US, Rachel Corrie, has been honored in Gaza by naming a children's center after her. In Ramallah they have named a street in her honor.

When they had an honorary funeral for her in Gaza, the US flag was respectfully displayed on the coffin.

That is what they think about Americans.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations | LII / Legal Information Institute

Palestine is not a terrorist organization.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Hamas was duly elected by the palestinian people. Therefore all palestinian people are equally as guilty as Hamas. Palestine needs to be carpet bombed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wfz1DA6x_I&feature=g-high-lik]Blowback: Did Israel Help To Create Hamas? - YouTube[/ame]

I see that as an illustration of how we reap what we sow!

 

[emilynghiem]

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans. Do you understand that? It is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans and they always have. We are corrupted, women show their tits and their faces. The women are whores and the men are whoremongers who don't grow a decent beard. Americans will fuck anything. They have evil music and dance. Did you think for a minute it was because we have free enterprise? No. They don't care about Free Enterprise, nor do they give a thought to natural resources. They care about killing off beauty (100 people died in the Beauty Contest riots in Africa) and ending what they consider anti islamic infidels.

Hi K: Sounds like we are on the same page with most of this.
I consider "selling beauty" as part of free enterprise, ie. images of women sell in the media.
And clearcutting forests for profit is also unchecked because corporations claim freedom as private individuals. So that is part of the abuses of our free enterprise system.

If taken to extremes, capitalism can become more like worshipping Mammon instead of God.

 

[emilynghiem]

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing civilians including children?
Answer: Israel .


Question: Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel .


Question: So who is the terrorist?

Careful where you go with this.
Remember the US is credited with bombing Japan and killing off not only a mass of people instantly, but causing generations afterward to be born with crippling or fatal birth defects.
We have armed and funded genocides also, in Indonesia and elsewhere.

I think the solution to arms control is similar to the Second Amendment.
People who use arms should have at least taken the same oath and training as any other military or police officer sworn to defend Constitutional laws, and never abuse force to violate laws or rights/freedoms of others.

With global force weapons, countries should be required to have experience in diplomatic conflict resolution and defense, so the same rules and standards apply to all nations who wish to use arms to defend themselves. There has to be an agreement to use them for defense only.

 

[FckingAmazing]

Please, Katzndogz, have mercy on us ALL.

Do you understand your comment is EXACTLY how jihadist terrorists feel about Americans? As spawn of the "Great Satan" that are "better off dead" than corrupting society with our unchecked "free enterprise", enslaving abused workers and monopolizing natural resources, thinking we are God's gift to the world. (Which we are of course, but still...)

Please think before you post something this sad about innocent civilians killed because of hostility of others they had no say in. Think of the 4 people we just lost in Libya. Would you REALLY want someone speaking ill of those dead as you just did with these poor children?

(Now, if these kids were Democrats who voted for Obama
that's another story! Say whatever you want!)

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans. Do you understand that? It is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans and they always have. We are corrupted, women show their tits and their faces. The women are whores and the men are whoremongers who don't grow a decent beard. Americans will fuck anything. They have evil music and dance. Did you think for a minute it was because we have free enterprise? No. They don't care about Free Enterprise, nor do they give a thought to natural resources. They care about killing off beauty (100 people died in the Beauty Contest riots in Africa) and ending what they consider anti islamic infidels.

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans.

Indeed, a blond, Christian woman, from the US, Rachel Corrie, has been honored in Gaza by naming a children's center after her. In Ramallah they have named a street in her honor.

When they had an honorary funeral for her in Gaza, the US flag was respectfully displayed on the coffin.

That is what they think about Americans.

the thing that Israel wants to create a big hate against to muslims .. could be that El-kaide or other terrorist groups created by Israel.. and supporting .. as they supporting PKK in Middle east.. thats a strategie to make US against Muslims..

 

[theHawk]

For all you people that complain about Isreal violating human rights, it might help your credibility if you had the same outrage over the bus bombs and every other type of terrorist attack the Islamists do.

But you don't so you reek of bullshit.

 

[Sunni Man]

Israel is a terrorist apartheid state based on fascism and fueled by racism.

 

[theHawk]

Israel is a terrorist apartheid state based on fascism and fueled by racism.

The exact same thing can be said of any middle eastern country.

Minus the whole apartheid thing because they've already taken care of the infidels.

 

[Katzndogz]

How dare Israel defend itself! For that matter how dare anyone defend themselves whether in Israel or in the US. Whether it's hamas or your local gang banger, to the left there is no right of self defense.

 

[PaulS1950]

Israel has been defending itself from invaders and terrorists since the land was given to them after WWII. They have never lost a war and I can't remember them ever starting one. They try to keep themselves safe and the neighbors keep saying that they refuse to live next to Jews.
OK! Like I said in another thread, lets give them Nevada. They won't have to live next to jews and if they are still unhappy and start making bombs the we can just make another test site.

 

[eots]

Israel has been defending itself from invaders and terrorists since the land was given to them after WWII. They have never lost a war and I can't remember them ever starting one. They try to keep themselves safe and the neighbors keep saying that they refuse to live next to Jews.
OK! Like I said in another thread, lets give them Nevada. They won't have to live next to jews and if they are still unhappy and start making bombs the we can just make another test site.

Who gave it to them ?....and what right did they have to do so ?

 

[eots]

btw...I like your Nevada Idea !

 

[PaulS1950]

The land provided for the Jews was owned and administered by France. After the war France gave it to the displaced Jews because of the way they were treated for no reason. Jews from around the world applied to become members of the new (and old in a biblical sense) Israel. You had to start with nothing and build a Kibutz - a town from the land with farms to feed the people. You had to take on a Hebrew name and there were many who died making the first Kibutz's. There was no infrastructure, roads, running water, electricity, sewage - nothing. It all had to be made out of what the desert offered.

I don't see the Palistinians trying to do that - they want high paying jobs so they can buy a home. The Israelis earned that land in more ways than one.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land provided for the Jews was owned and administered by France. After the war France gave it to the displaced Jews because of the way they were treated for no reason. Jews from around the world applied to become members of the new (and old in a biblical sense) Israel. You had to start with nothing and build a Kibutz - a town from the land with farms to feed the people. You had to take on a Hebrew name and there were many who died making the first Kibutz's. There was no infrastructure, roads, running water, electricity, sewage - nothing. It all had to be made out of what the desert offered.

I don't see the Palistinians trying to do that - they want high paying jobs so they can buy a home. The Israelis earned that land in more ways than one.

Actually, it was a British mandate not French. A mandate was an administrative appointment. Britain never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership of Palestine. It was not theirs to give away.

BTW, Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.