America should change sides and support Palestine.

[Indofred]

UN security resolutions aren't laws.

They don't need to abide by them. The UN is nothing more than an alliance of thugs these days.

America is a member of the UN.
Are you saying the US of A is a thug nation?

I would tend to agree with you.

 

[theHawk]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

The biggest reason we should not is because Islam is the enemy of the free world.

As far as I am concerned all Islamic states should be declared an enemy of the US, since they already are.

I think you have to explain why you think that.

Perhaps you could compare the number of wars started by Islamic countries against America compared with the number of wars America has started or supported against Islamic countries. Try not to forget CIA bombing raids against Indonesia and many other countries.
When you look at the numbers (I'll give you a clue, Islam has started none against the US) I think you'll find America is the war monger.
Most attacks against the US stem from American support for Israel. The so called terrorists are simply attacking supply lines and the troops of an invading army.

Islamic countries don't start wars with their military because they are too weak, and they know they would get beat down within one day of starting one. Instead the cowards resort to terrorism.

Since you want to count a bombing raid as an act of war, then that means we get to count every bomb set off by little chickenshit Islamists around the world.

That happens to be a pretty long list for the number of wars started by radical Islamists.


As for the ideology itself being at odds with freedom, it's written in their own doctrine, penned by a Pedophile false-Prophet. I'm fairly certain you are familiar with his work.

 

[High_Gravity]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

How is supporting Palestine cheaper that supporting Israel? the Palestinians are getting by soley off of international aid, and Palestine does not have oil.

 

[theHawk]

UN security resolutions aren't laws.

They don't need to abide by them. The UN is nothing more than an alliance of thugs these days.

America is a member of the UN.
Are you saying the US of A is a thug nation?

I would tend to agree with you.

I don't believe the US should even be a member of the UN anymore.

The UN's agenda is to push a socialist/marxist agenda.

 

[syrenn]

I've popped this in 'clean debate' in an attempt to seriously chat about US middle eastern policy.

America should change sides and support Palestine.

Imagine the advantages:

Way cheaper than supporting Israel.
Only one enemy in the middle east
No worries about oil supply.

Can anyone suggest why the US supporting Palestine has a downside?

I guess you have never stuck up for a kid who was being bullied by a crowd have you?

 

[FckingAmazing]

Turkish Foreign minister in Gazza

 

[Darkwind]

Four children from the same family, Aldalou, have been killed by an Israeli airstrike attack on their house in Gaza strip.

Rest in Peace

XXXXXX]

So, why are you not asking for the prosecution of Hamas for hiding military assets in and among the civilian population? These deaths clearly lay at their feet.

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

 

[Katzndogz]

So, why are you not asking for the prosecution of Hamas for hiding military assets in and among the civilian population? These deaths clearly lay at their feet.

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

UN security resolutions aren't laws.

They don't need to abide by them. The UN is nothing more than an alliance of thugs these days.

We also don't know if this picture is real, part of the Pallywood industry, killed by Hamas and posed, or dug up out of their graves for the purpose of this picture.

 

[FckingAmazing]

to kill civilians is not right whoever do this ... but still it doesn't change that Isreal've behaved like as terrorist state , and behaving.. and if you make a systematic genocide in front of the world .. they are gonna defence themself to stop the terrorist state , as whatever they can do ..

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, why are you not asking for the prosecution of Hamas for hiding military assets in and among the civilian population? These deaths clearly lay at their feet.

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country.

All of the rockets out of Gaza land inside Palestine's borders.

Israeli citizens are not considered "civilians" in international law.

Your post is based on false premise.

 

[ekrem]

"Changing sides" implies you have the option to do so.
US politicians don't have the option to change sides.

 

[georgephillip]

So, why are you not asking for the prosecution of Hamas for hiding military assets in and among the civilian population? These deaths clearly lay at their feet.

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

Hamas doesn't supply its own electricity or water; neither does it control its air space or coastal waters.
In what way do those deficiencies make Hamas a "self-sustaining government body?"

 

[georgephillip]

"Changing sides" implies you have the option to do so.
US politicians don't have the option to change sides.

Republicans AND Democrats in the US Congress are far more united in their support for Israel than the US population as a whole. It is probably true that any elected R or D who strays to far from licking Israel's boots will find themselves facing a well-funded opponent in their next primary election.

 

[emilynghiem]

Four children from the same family, Aldalou, have been killed by an Israeli airstrike attack on their house in Gaza strip.

Rest in Peace

XXXXXXXXXX]

Are they dead or is it Pallywood?

If they are dead, that means four fewer future terrorists.

Please, Katzndogz, have mercy on us ALL.

Do you understand your comment is EXACTLY how jihadist terrorists feel about Americans? As spawn of the "Great Satan" that are "better off dead" than corrupting society with our unchecked "free enterprise", enslaving abused workers and monopolizing natural resources, thinking we are God's gift to the world. (Which we are of course, but still...)

Please think before you post something this sad about innocent civilians killed because of hostility of others they had no say in. Think of the 4 people we just lost in Libya. Would you REALLY want someone speaking ill of those dead as you just did with these poor children?

(Now, if these kids were Democrats who voted for Obama
that's another story! Say whatever you want!)

 

[FckingAmazing]

It's Palestinians who have the right to defend themselves



It's Palestinians who have the right to defend themselves | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

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[FckingAmazing]

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing civilians including children?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States , according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S. ?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections? ?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel .

Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East created millions of refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
Answer: Israel .

Question: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
Answer: Israel .

Question: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents from USA and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union ?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?
Answer: Israel .

Question: What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a civilian U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana , Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid to the world yet is the 16th richest country in the world?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America ?"
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?
Answer: Israel .

Question: Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel .



Question: So who is the terrorist?

 

[sealadaigh]

So, why are you not asking for the prosecution of Hamas for hiding military assets in and among the civilian population? These deaths clearly lay at their feet.

Gazans' are within their rights guaranteed by international law when they resist an illegal occupation; Israel violates those same laws by imposing an illegal occupation. As occupying power, Israel is clearly responsible for all the dead children on both sides of the conflict.

Why aren't you asking Israel to abide by the nearly 100 UNSC Resolutions calling for its withdrawal from the territories it currently occupies?

Hamas is a self-sustaining governing body, fully subject to the rules of war, humanitarian laws, and decent conduct of its military.

It is a direct violation to house military assets, ammunition, rockets, vehicles, troops, in areas that can be clearly delineated as 'civilian' enclaves. This is what is termed as a 'human shields'. A direct violation of all decency standards and applicable laws, and violates human rights.

Gazans are NOT resisting occupation when they indiscriminately launch un-guided or poorly guided missiles into civilian areas of another country. The deliberate attacking of civilians in any resistance is a violation of human rights and international law. Deaths that occur to civilians due to the placement of military assets in civilian enclaves or areas and boundaries that are clearly of a civilian nature are the responsibility of those who violate these laws.

As a violator of human rights, Geneva Convention protocols and international law, Hamas bears the entire burden of deaths incurred, both Israeli and Palestinian.

In fact, the launching of missiles that deliberately target civilian assets in Israel amount to nothing more than premeditated murder, not an act of resistance in any manner proscribed by civilized peoples.

These dead children are the result of Hamas.

the world thinks differently.

some israelis are afraid to leave their country for fear of a reverse mordechai vanunu.

HAMAS has been in a siege-like state for years. a blockade is an act of war.

those dead children are israel's fault; and it is the fault of any person who supports israel.

 

[Katzndogz]

Four children from the same family, Aldalou, have been killed by an Israeli airstrike attack on their house in Gaza strip.

Rest in Peace

XXXXXXXXXX]

Are they dead or is it Pallywood?

If they are dead, that means four fewer future terrorists.

Please, Katzndogz, have mercy on us ALL.

Do you understand your comment is EXACTLY how jihadist terrorists feel about Americans? As spawn of the "Great Satan" that are "better off dead" than corrupting society with our unchecked "free enterprise", enslaving abused workers and monopolizing natural resources, thinking we are God's gift to the world. (Which we are of course, but still...)

Please think before you post something this sad about innocent civilians killed because of hostility of others they had no say in. Think of the 4 people we just lost in Libya. Would you REALLY want someone speaking ill of those dead as you just did with these poor children?

(Now, if these kids were Democrats who voted for Obama
that's another story! Say whatever you want!)

I absolutely know that that is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans. Do you understand that? It is EXACTLY how jihadists feel about Americans and they always have. We are corrupted, women show their tits and their faces. The women are whores and the men are whoremongers who don't grow a decent beard. Americans will fuck anything. They have evil music and dance. Did you think for a minute it was because we have free enterprise? No. They don't care about Free Enterprise, nor do they give a thought to natural resources. They care about killing off beauty (100 people died in the Beauty Contest riots in Africa) and ending what they consider anti islamic infidels.

 

[Katzndogz]

Hamas was duly elected by the palestinian people. Therefore all palestinian people are equally as guilty as Hamas. Palestine needs to be carpet bombed.

 

[AlexWA]

Hamas was duly elected by the palestinian people. Therefore all palestinian people are equally as guilty as Hamas. Palestine needs to be carpet bombed.

Nobody needs to be carpet bombed. Both sides have blood on their hands and both sides need to accept that fact and make concessions if they ever want any sort of real and lasting peace.