Am I a fiscal conservative? A social liberal? Both? Neither? I'm here to find out.

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    It is really difficult to label ones politics these days. I am not Tea Party - anything with the label 'bigot' associated with it turns me off. I like Tea Party ideas on measured spending, but want to protect Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Leave the big three entitlements alone.

    I think the Republican position on illegal immigration is reasonable considering our 9.1% unemployment. I think the Alabama Immigration Act is courageous, while others bicker and take no stand. Taking that stand with Alabama as a white person has made me the recipient of the word 'bigot' from idealistic liberals and Mexican nationals! My liberalism extends ONLY to AMERICAN CITIZENS. I believe we should support our fellow CITIZENS temporarily with a welfare safety net, but it is not designed to be a life long way to support one's self. I also support the death penalty in some cases.

    I may be OWS (Occupy Wall Street), but someone told me recently I am really a 'conservative Democrat,' (the term makes no sense to me). I think it is very possible that OWS and the Tea Party could come together. So, you will find me to be a guy who is direct and consistent in my views, who does not follow party lines, likes to think for himself, is overall center left, but still does not know how to label himself politically. I guess I believe in free enterprise coupled with a system of social support. Neither has to be as it is currently. I am flexible, open to new ideas.

    While I am a member of the Democratic National Committee, I was out at my Jeep in the middle of the night, during the debt ceiling talks, removing the Obama 2012 sticker the DNC sent me. The last time the DNC asked for money for Obama, I sent back a note, "I do not donate to Republicans." Go figure.

    Anyone who does not fit neatly into a party chair suffers attacks from all sides. That said, I am ready to be attacked from all sides. That is how I learn.

    One must never stop learning and rethinking. :gives: :rofl:
     
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    Welcome.............

    Have you ever taken one of those political leaning tests? Many out there, take a few.
     
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    You could be like people where I live.

    Fiscal liberals and social conservatives.
     
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    Welcome.............

    Have you ever taken one of those political leaning tests? Many out there, take a few.[/QUOTE]

    Clearly, I need a recommendation for a test. This was the closest thing I could find, and it looks biased as hell. Here is part of it. It was funny even though it seems skewed to the right.

    4A) If you spend three years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of one to thirteen and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend twelve years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly eight more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly four years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly thirteen million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.
    4B) If you spend four years on the city council and six years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend twenty months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military, and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.

    5A) If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people, you are an “arrogant celebrity.”
    5B) If you are a popular Republican female candidate, you are “energizing the base.”

    6A) If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions, you are “presumptuous.”
    6B) If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.

    7A) If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are “an elitist—out of touch” with the real America.
    7B) If you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions, you are a hero.

    8A) If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you are described as a faithful Christian.
    8B) If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for nineteen years and raising two daughters with, you’re considered “risky.”

    9A) If you kill an endangered species, you’re an excellent hunter.
    9B) If you have an abortion, you’re a murderer (regardless whether it happened while being raped).

    10A) If you teach abstinence-only in sex education, you get teen parents.
    10B) If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
     
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    I was leaning that way too, until I saw these definitions from Wiki.

    Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include social justice. It differs from classical liberalism in that it believes the legitimate role of the state includes addressing economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Under social liberalism, the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual.[1] Social liberal policies have been widely adopted in much of the capitalist world, particularly following World War II.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left.

    Fiscal conservatism is a political term used to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as ensuring balanced budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often but not necessarily affiliated with fiscal conservatism.

    One day I watched actor Ashton Kutcher interrviewed. Kutcher is the new guy on TV's 2.5 Men. Kutcher claimed to be a social liberal and fiscal conservative. The two definitions have some apparent areas of contradiction, and actor Kutcher was shredded by the panel for the inconsistencies. But, maybe that is the point. No two Tea Party members see things the same way why should two 'social liberal and fiscal conservatives?' You may have something here.

    The idea of political labels is not good, but how often has a friend said before introducing you something like, "She is ok for a moderate Republican without direction?" I had a Democrat caution me once, "That guy is not enough 'New Deal' for me." Thanks for your input.
     
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    ^ Wikki and Ashton Kutcher?

    :lol:
     
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    I am wide open to find any free encyclopedia besides Wiki. As far as I know it is all we got.

    Interesting you point to Ashton Kutcher. I was in the check out line in the grocery and the headline on a tabloid was that Kutcher and Demi Moore were divorcing and their combined net worth was $289,000,000!

    Apparently, when Kutcher signed his 2.5 Men deal with Warner Brothers, he required the largest dressing room ever provided, the equivalent of a large double wide trailer. Kutcher's various interests as a businessperson required the space for his key office staff on the Warner lot.

    We should not think of Kutcher as the clown on "That 70s Show" anymore. I read a story about actor Walter Brennan who played some kind of hillbilly on a 1950s show called The Real McCoys. Brennan felt that being seen around the lot in farmer's blue jeans distracted from his business reputation as a producer and real estate developer. So, Brennan, as the story goes, wore three piece suits whenever he had to go into the studio's main office. He wanted his due respect as a successful executive. It makes sense that it is difficult for certain people to be taken seriously after establishing a certain screen image.

    Kutcher and Moore with $289,000,000, I can can respect that accomplishment as business people! Demi Moore has spent millions of her own dollars to produce movies that support her political activism on subjects such as pro-choice. Both Kutcher and Moore are respected here in the Southern California community as professional business and political successes miles past their screen images.
     
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    Interesting that you say I point to Kutcher when you were the originator.

    I know that pattern. :razz: :clap2:
     
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    Welcome to USMB, Preius.
     
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    Pattern?. You did take issue with the name Ashton Kutcher, after I brought it up. I merely mentioned Kutcher because he is the only person I have ever seen label themselves as a "social liberal and fiscal conservative." Not that there are not others out there, I am just not familiar with any of them. And, again, I am not sure I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative by definition, but the words sounds close to where I am coming from. I may be a "social liberal and a fiscal moderate" because I believe there are some differences in accounting procedures between a corporation and a government. Not to mention differences between Federal, State, and Local governments.

    What is this about a "pattern." Talk like that makes me think I am about to get nailed in the next post.
     
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