All Right People! Nut Crackin' Time! Discuss Election Returns Here as they Come In!

[California Girl]

Certainly, the majority of Americans want to see bipartisanship in order to achieve the best for the most of us. However, we cannot ignore the 'fringes' completely. We do need to find ways to allow both the 'fringes' to have their voices heard. Even if they don't like the outcome. LOL. My problem with Obama has always been that he is left and not center. He allowed Pelosi and Reid to write his agenda and he was just there to do their bidding. We elected HIM - not them. He is responsible for bringing the agenda to the GOP and working with them to find compromise. That's his job.

Unfortunately, it's now 2010 and Obama will be more concerned with campaigning - which, frankly, he never appears to have stopped. He has some great qualities - he's an excellent orator (when he cares about his subject), he's got the gift of the gab for sure.... I just wish he was less a community organizer and more of the statesman that we need. And.... I wish to hell he would do the damned job we're paying him for and stop goofing around.

Oh my gosh, you ARE an idiot!

A "bi-partisan" effort??????????

Are you that freaking stupid? What "bi-partisanship" did Obama embrace before this election? When do Democrats EVER talk about bi-partisanship when they control it all?

What did Obama tell Republians in 2009? "Elections have consequences and I won."

In that statement he basically gave the finger to republicans and told them to shut up and sit down.

What bi-partisanship is there in Obama telling Republicans to sit in the back of the bus?

THIS was Obama and the Democrat's attitude toward us for the last two years!

Did they talk up bi-partisanship when they controlled everything in 1993? Hell no they did not!

What compromise is there on Obamacare?

What compromise is there on socialism?

What compromise is there on taxes?

What compromise is there on destroying an economy?

But like a typical RINO, the minute the liberal press starts the TYPICAL talk of "compromise" once they are on the losing end, you believe them and let them lead you around by the nose!

No wonder you are so threatened by me. Just like the Republican leadership, I represent rocking that little compromise boat.

And baby, me and my Constitutional Conservatives plan to make that compromise boat the Titanic!

Where on earth did CG say that Obama had brought about any Bi-partisanship during the last two years? That was not at all what she said. What she said was that the American people WANT bi-partisanship. Maybe, just maybe, Obama will be forced to work with the other side a little bit. Maybe, hopefully, he will not be able to ram another HCR down our throats in the next two years.

Also, I would say that it is not so much bi-partisanship that we want but rather sensible gridlock to keep one party or the other from forcing their agenda on the rest of the country which is exactly what happened when HCR passed.

Immie

I expect them to TRY for some bipartisanship. I expect them to deliver some too. I suspect most of the next two years will be gridlock - which is also fine by me.... Better that than unfettered leftist agendas.

The left need to learn the same lesson as TPS.... You are not the majority.

 

[Vanquish]

But Obama DID try bi-partisanship. Biden schooled Cantor on that very fact during the kabuki theater of a televised healthcare discussion. Several ideas in the healthcare bill were republican/conservative in their genesis...yet Cantor dug his heels in and kept squawking.

Besides that, think about who he named for the oversight committee for healthcare. Hmmm seem to think there was an R in there

Besides that, when he came to address the Republican Caucus, again televised, he explained that he wanted to work together...but they'd vilified him to the point that they'd be hurting themselves if they did...then the R's went right back to talking points.

I could do this all day.

The real takeaway from this election is 2-fold: 1) have an insanely-clear message, even if it's not a real-world answer...and 2) might makes right (aka dig in your heels even if the other side tries to work with you)

 

[California Girl]

But Obama DID try bi-partisanship. Biden schooled Cantor on that very fact during the kabuki theater of a televised healthcare discussion. Several ideas in the healthcare bill were republican/conservative in their genesis...yet Cantor dug his heels in and kept squawking.

Besides that, think about who he named for the oversight committee for healthcare. Hmmm seem to think there was an R in there

Besides that, when he came to address the Republican Caucus, again televised, he explained that he wanted to work together...but they'd vilified him to the point that they'd be hurting themselves if they did...then the R's went right back to talking points.

I could do this all day.

The real takeaway from this election is 2-fold: 1) have an insanely-clear message, even if it's not a real-world answer...and 2) might makes right (aka dig in your heels even if the other side tries to work with you)

The major problem with the healthcare shit was not getting the Republicans to sign off on it. It was getting the American people to buy that shit. We didn't. And, thankfully, the GOP didn't either. They were smart enough to hear the voice of 'we, the People'. You could learn a lesson from that.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when Speaker Boehner drops the line on President Obama. " Um Mr President; We won."

 

[Vanquish]

But Obama DID try bi-partisanship. Biden schooled Cantor on that very fact during the kabuki theater of a televised healthcare discussion. Several ideas in the healthcare bill were republican/conservative in their genesis...yet Cantor dug his heels in and kept squawking.

Besides that, think about who he named for the oversight committee for healthcare. Hmmm seem to think there was an R in there

Besides that, when he came to address the Republican Caucus, again televised, he explained that he wanted to work together...but they'd vilified him to the point that they'd be hurting themselves if they did...then the R's went right back to talking points.

I could do this all day.

The real takeaway from this election is 2-fold: 1) have an insanely-clear message, even if it's not a real-world answer...and 2) might makes right (aka dig in your heels even if the other side tries to work with you)

The major problem with the healthcare shit was not getting the Republicans to sign off on it. It was getting the American people to buy that shit. We didn't. And, thankfully, the GOP didn't either. They were smart enough to hear the voice of 'we, the People'. You could learn a lesson from that.

Wrong. It was the cyclical circle-jerk of the conservative side + the inability of the dems to grow a pair.

On the conservative side, the conservative media whipped up the people who whipped up their officials. Then the officials, who are supposed to be voices of reason interpreted that to mean don't be bipartisan. I don't think the majority of conservatives would agree that "not buying that shit" meant total stonewall. That's what the Republicans in Washington did.

By the way, I'm not seeing any dispute from you that the Biden exchange happened, nor that it was factually correct, nor that Obama tried, during that meeting to start by identifying a consensus and moving forward from that. I'll take that as a "yes, Obama tried".

Again, they thought they had the numbers and they tried a might-makes-right approach. Then they whined when that didn't work. You can't complain about not getting to see what's in the bill when you slam the door of the guy inviting you to work on it with you in his office.

I hope we'll get some real bipartisanship this coming term. But chances are everyone will just dig in their heels and not work together. So there we are...back to might makes right.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Certainly, the majority of Americans want to see bipartisanship in order to achieve the best for the most of us. However, we cannot ignore the 'fringes' completely. We do need to find ways to allow both the 'fringes' to have their voices heard. Even if they don't like the outcome. LOL. My problem with Obama has always been that he is left and not center. He allowed Pelosi and Reid to write his agenda and he was just there to do their bidding. We elected HIM - not them. He is responsible for bringing the agenda to the GOP and working with them to find compromise. That's his job.

Unfortunately, it's now 2010 and Obama will be more concerned with campaigning - which, frankly, he never appears to have stopped. He has some great qualities - he's an excellent orator (when he cares about his subject), he's got the gift of the gab for sure.... I just wish he was less a community organizer and more of the statesman that we need. And.... I wish to hell he would do the damned job we're paying him for and stop goofing around.

Oh my gosh, you ARE an idiot!

A "bi-partisan" effort??????????

Are you that freaking stupid? What "bi-partisanship" did Obama embrace before this election? When do Democrats EVER talk about bi-partisanship when they control it all?

What did Obama tell Republians in 2009? "Elections have consequences and I won."

In that statement he basically gave the finger to republicans and told them to shut up and sit down.

What bi-partisanship is there in Obama telling Republicans to sit in the back of the bus?

THIS was Obama and the Democrat's attitude toward us for the last two years!

Did they talk up bi-partisanship when they controlled everything in 1993? Hell no they did not!

What compromise is there on Obamacare?

What compromise is there on socialism?

What compromise is there on taxes?

What compromise is there on destroying an economy?

But like a typical RINO, the minute the liberal press starts the TYPICAL talk of "compromise" once they are on the losing end, you believe them and let them lead you around by the nose!

No wonder you are so threatened by me. Just like the Republican leadership, I represent rocking that little compromise boat.

And baby, me and my Constitutional Conservatives plan to make that compromise boat the Titanic!

You need to calm down. Lots of us are Constitutional Conservatives.... not all of us are as moronic as you are to think that we can achieve anything without consensus. This country does not belong to any one group. It belongs to us all. Learn that. Learn it fast. Because if you don't, you will be doomed to wander the fringes.... much like the drooling fools on the far left - who think they know better than the rest of us what is in our best interests.

Threatened by you? Yep, I'm shaking at my keyboard, quaking at the mighty intellect of a drooling fool. Except that I'm not.

You are mildly irritating. That is all.

Honey, if I were "mildly" irritating, you wouldn't follow me all over the board. You come to me. You notice I don't follow after you! I think someone protests too much.

As for your consensus BS, where was the "consensus" when Obama forced healthcare and the rest down our throats?

The country may not belong to any one group, but there is one group that is determined to end the country as we know, and that's the people in charge that YOU think we should compromise with.

I'm not for compromising with these people. I'm for defeating them.

The Republicans tried it that with the Rino "big tent" and John McCain/Newt Gingrich's "the era of Reagan is over."

It failed miserably. Now you want to lecture us to go back to that?