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The Bluto character was not a Blues Brother, you imbecile.- you aint no blues brother - your issue is self identity. closet christian.
The Bluto character was not a Blues Brother, you imbecile.
Also, I was raised as a Christian. But I don’t lay claim to being particularly Christian. I have respect for anyone who has the ability and willingness to try. Unlike you, I have no zealous desire to mock the religious beliefs of anyone.
Please feel obligated to put your question in the form of a question.
Please feel obligated to put your question in the form of a question.
you claimed eve was a sinner, what about her -
I have no zealous desire to mock the religious beliefs of anyone.
it wasn't the first time.
Answering a “question” requires that you put the question in the form of a comprehensible question. Since you failed, I require you to ask whatever the fuck you’re attempting to grunt-out in a coherent manner.howabout the answer ...
You’re an asshole. But yes. You might very well also be a liar.liar.
That command prevented our reproduction and kept A & E too stupid to reproduce.If you understand the account, God was quite clear about not eating that fruit of that tree.
I’m not very religious. But even I would say it’s a sin to directly and deliberately disobey a command received from God Himself.
Because the god of the bible is a misogynist?Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?
Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.
There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.
Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.
Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.
In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.
This is what human justice is based on.
Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?
Regards
DL
That God has all the best traits for evil.Because the god of the bible is a misogynist?
Whatever purpose you ascribe to God for that story’s command to Adam and Eve is beside the point. The point was that He gave a direct command and they disobeyed it.That command prevented our reproduction and kept A & E too stupid to reproduce.
Do you think A & E were able to or supposed to have a free willed choice?
Commands screw up any freedom of choice.
Right?
Regards
DL
Whatever purpose you ascribe to God for that story’s command to Adam and Eve is beside the point. The point was that He gave a direct command and they disobeyed it.
I have no zealous desire to mock the religious beliefs of anyone.
You believe that story. I don’t.... they were instructed the consequence and chose the deliberation of self determination than being told how to live their lives and were pleased for the journey granted to them by the heavens.
- not everyone lives in their mothers basement. at least not a&e.
You believe that story. I don’t.
And I don’t care if you do live in your parent’s basement.
The point was that He gave a direct command and they disobeyed it.
You’re still babbling.the heavens are not a he - they made the decision ... the prescribed journey for self determination.
... that's - your rendition, of what was - written by the crucifiers. do you also claim as they - a&e were sinners and made you one too ... sorry, seems to be.
* that may be the reason they keep you in the closet for most of the day.
Big deal.Whatever purpose you ascribe to God for that story’s command to Adam and Eve is beside the point. The point was that He gave a direct command and they disobeyed it.
Nonsense. They knew what God had directly told them not to do. And they knew that by doing so they were flatly and intentionally disobeying God.Big deal.
They could not know that it was evil to do so.
False. Stupid or not, they knew they were sending the command of God.For all their stupid minds knew, it was the right thing to do.
It actually does the converse. Both the mens rea and the actual reus.Look up mens rea, Latin for evil mind or evil intent. It proves A & E innocent.
Whoopee.I have a new O.P. I will be putting up.
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Nonsense. They knew what God had directly told them not to do. And they knew that by doing so they were flatly and intentionally disobeying God.
I have no zealous desire to mock the religious beliefs of anyone.
Your delusions are amusing.(nonsense) ... you do have an agenda - or show how you know what was said to a&e that is your reference being more reliable than others interpretation of the same event - including - you are a sinner and so is everyone else ... and are born that way.
as your claim, sinner is - pure religious ... zealotry.
You think good and evil can be judged without any knowledge of good or evil. Rather counterintuitive that.Nonsense. They knew what God had directly told them not to do. And they knew that by doing so they were flatly and intentionally disobeying God.
False. Stupid or not, they knew they were sending the command of God.
It actually does the converse. Both the mens rea and the actual reus.
Whoopee.
If all true, laudable, yet you do a really cheep form of apologetics.Your delusions are amusing.
The story of Adam and Eve is a story. God didn’t really speak to either of them because they never existed.
But even taken as a story with a moral, it is beyond crystal clear that Adam and Eve were given a directive directly from God and made the decision to disregard it. You can claim all you wish that it isn’t a sin. But it remains a sin just the same.
I happen to believe in God as the Creator of the universe. I happen to believe that God doesn’t believe in religion. I don’t care what you or anyone else believes. You’re all welcome to your beliefs just as I am.
I’m a big fan of the 1st Amendment and it’s associated Constitutional protection of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. You? Apparently that pesky Amendment irritates you.
You think good and evil can be judged without any knowledge of good or evil. Rather counterintuitive that.
Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
This indicates that Jesus had no choice.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.
Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.
Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.
Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.
Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.
Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.
This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.
Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.
There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.
Regards
DL
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Evolutionary theology.
