Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

[Frankenstein]

the dreams of the man made by a nefarious desert overlord. very sad what's in their book.

Ah, how cute, can't refute the statement so insult.

 

[BreezeWood]

She was being selfish, and prideful, both sins! Given a pass?
Genesis 3:16, 20; 4:1–2 in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.

the dreams of the man made by a nefarious desert overlord. very sad what's in their book.

Ah, how cute, can't refute the statement so insult.

sure thing, lover - or is that just christian at heart what they truly believe.

 

[GreatestIam]

It's ancient mythology. Do you actually believe the whole universe, with trillions of galaxies, countless stars, and planets, all went helter-skelter because a caveman and his wife, ate from the wrong fruit tree? Really? We already know that humanity didn't come from one single human couple six thousand years ago. People who hold on to these ancient myths do it out of desperation, fear, and ignorance. It's a crutch, a warm security blanket, a teddy bear, that's what the bible is for religious Jews and Christians. A coping mechanism, stunting people's personal growth and ability to think rationally.

No argument against most of your view, but to me, you are seeing the evil while ignoring the good of the older Christianity, before silly supernatural beliefs.

No. I do not believe in anything supernatural.

Even if such a realm exists, it should be ignored, or even better, as some sages say, if you meet God, kill him.

This does not mean that we should not seek out the ideal ideas or God we all want.

That is the Gnostic Christian way.

At their root, religions are tribes, and without tribes, we would have gone extinct.

You are incorrect on how Christians see sin and evil.

They do not hate them as you say.

Proof is scriptures and in their Exsultet hymn, where Adam's sin is called a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

It is to Christians who believe in the supernatural as well as nature.

In it's better days, Christianity was Chrestianity, a naturalist and universalist religion.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

They wanted the knowledge

Indeed.

Enough to ignore the immoral command to stay without knowledge or wisdom.

The writers thought this a good thing, Given that they called it Original Virtue as opposed to Original sin.

Remember that Christians have forgotten why they sing as referenced in the post just above.

That is why they all flip/flop on the morality in Eden.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

She was being selfish, and prideful, both sins! Given a pass?
Genesis 3:16, 20; 4:1–2 in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.

Strange how you see a Jewish book having God break Jewish law.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Care to explain?

Regards
DL

 

[Frankenstein]

Strange how you see a Jewish book having God break Jewish law.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Care to explain?

Regards
DL

As soon as you describe what it is you are trying to say, poorly i might add

 

[Frankenstein]

Indeed.

Enough to ignore the immoral command to stay without knowledge or wisdom.

The writers thought this a good thing, Given that they called it Original Virtue as opposed to Original sin.

Remember that Christians have forgotten why they sing as referenced in the post just above.

That is why they all flip/flop on the morality in Eden.

Regards
DL

Immoral command

 

[GreatestIam]

We need a new religion based on science and human solidarity. The rational, sincere pursuit of truth, human survival, and success.

I had that in mind when putting this up.

The scholar speaks better than I write, even if a bit long winded.

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Equality is downsizing religions, as parents refuse to downsize their love for an LGBTQ+ or female child.

Premise ---
Parents want to love their LGBTQ+ kids without prejudice or negative discrimination.

I see Christianity and all religiosity shrinking. Churches closing, etc, while new Temples and Mosques of the wisdom seeking genre, --- as opposed to God seeker, --- are popping up to replace the God seeker religions.

This intelligent trend is to put humans and universality and inclusion over the Gods we have created, --- is nice to see as it returns us to a modernized version of the ancient and better days.

Demographics and stats are clear that the God religions of today will either have to adapt to a more secular view, --- and especially stop preaching --- that a parent has to downsize their love for a LGBTQ+ child.

Gnostic Christianity and Laïcité are the future, as we already disavow such vile evil.

We curse words like --- and the men are a degree above them [women] and he will rule over you [women], etc.



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C F.

In a sense, what you want is in place, but the people are not yet aware of it.

Stats show that about 95% of those who claim affiliation are heretic to their religions, and that makes the vast majority of the world Gnostic, by definition.

Our side has won, but has yet to create that one huge tribe.

Regards
DL

 

[Frankenstein]

I had that in mind when putting this up.

The scholar speaks better than I write, even if a bit long winded.

=======
Equality is downsizing religions, as parents refuse to downsize their love for an LGBTQ+ or female child.

Premise ---
Parents want to love their LGBTQ+ kids without prejudice or negative discrimination.

I see Christianity and all religiosity shrinking. Churches closing, etc, while new Temples and Mosques of the wisdom seeking genre, --- as opposed to God seeker, --- are popping up to replace the God seeker religions.

This intelligent trend is to put humans and universality and inclusion over the Gods we have created, --- is nice to see as it returns us to a modernized version of the ancient and better days.

Demographics and stats are clear that the God religions of today will either have to adapt to a more secular view, --- and especially stop preaching --- that a parent has to downsize their love for a LGBTQ+ child.

Gnostic Christianity and Laïcité are the future, as we already disavow such vile evil.

We curse words like --- and the men are a degree above them [women] and he will rule over you [women], etc.



====

C F.

In a sense, what you want is in place, but the people are not yet aware of it.

Stats show that about 95% of those who claim affiliation are heretic to their religions, and that makes the vast majority of the world Gnostic, by definition.

Our side has won, but has yet to create that one huge tribe.

Regards
DL

The Bible indicates that there will be a great apostasy during the end times. The “great apostasy” is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. The KJV calls it the “falling away,” while the NIV and ESV call it “the rebellion.” And that’s what an apostasy is: a rebellion, an abandonment of the truth. The end times will include a wholesale rejection of God’s revelation, a further “falling away” of an already fallen world.
Welcome to your end!

 

[GreatestIam]

As soon as you describe what it is you are trying to say, poorly i might add

You have God punishing the innocent for what their parents did, doing the opposite of the spirit and words of their laws.

That is clear to anyone who read those verses.

Read them for the first time in this longer version that Christian moral cowards run away from ever arguing against.

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On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective.

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.

Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Regards
DL

 

[Frankenstein]

You have God punishing the innocent for what their parents did, doing the opposite of the spirit and words of their laws.

That is clear to anyone who read those verses.

Read them for the first time in this longer version that Christian moral cowards run away from ever arguing against.

=====

On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective.

It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.

Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Regards
DL

What their parents did?
Jesus was God incarnate

 

[GreatestIam]

fallen world

I guess it depends on how you define fallen.

Have you stopped singing your Exsultet hymn praising sin?

Have you fallen that low that you trash your dogma?

Are you looking forward to yet another genocide of human souls?

Do you hate your neighbor that much?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

What their parents did?
Jesus was God incarnate

You cannot even show where Jesus was ever anointed to Christ, stupid liar.

Mind you, a lot of people believe that Yahweh cuckolded Joseph and reproduced a half breed chimera God before becoming a deadbeat dad.

Is that the God and his chimera you want to talk about?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Just going out on a limb here ... because she too ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Indeed. Thank all the Gods.

At the prompting of a talking serpent depicted as a female, as is fitting, to make all the heroes of Eden female. Wisdom is also called Sofia.

The true moral of the story is who to honor.

Regards
DL

 

[Faun]

Indeed. Thank all the Gods.

At the prompting of a talking serpent depicted as a female, as is fitting, to make all the heroes of Eden female. Wisdom is also called Sofia.

The true moral of the story is who to honor.

Regards
DL

You really have no idea what you're talking about. First you falsely claimed Eve was innocent; now you falsely claim the serpent was depicted as a female.

 

[BreezeWood]

You really have no idea what you're talking about. First you falsely claimed Eve was innocent; now you falsely claim the serpent was depicted as a female.

is your claim etched in stone by the heavens - something other than a murderer and liar for reference ...

mythology for the journey through time for any beings would not be preordained as a hopeless condition, saturated by sin and requiring servitude, obedience to the guy on the mountain ... unless motivated by being that guy and making up that story - the desert religions.

howabout what's worthy for those that are not sinners. a&e.

 

[Faun]

is your claim etched in stone by the heavens - something other than a murderer and liar for reference ...

mythology for the journey through time for any beings would not be preordained as a hopeless condition, saturated by sin and requiring servitude, obedience to the guy on the mountain ... unless motivated by being that guy and making up that story - the desert religions.

howabout what's worthy for those that are not sinners. a&e.

The only source we all have is the Bible. That's what I'm going by.

 

[BreezeWood]

The only source we all have is the Bible. That's what I'm going by.

not so. the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil - your choice.

and so the liberation theology, self determination of the 1st century they died for has no meaning for you ... it's not written in the c-bible ... written by the crucifiers - good luck.

says a lot for - all you, worshiping the works of a liar and murderer, moses - or have you found their etched tablets from the heavens, w/ the phony 10 commandments, yet - to prove otherwise.

 

[Faun]

not so. the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil - your choice.

and so the liberation theology, self determination of the 1st century they died for has no meaning for you ... it's not written in the c-bible ... written by the crucifiers - good luck.

says a lot for - all you, worshiping the works of a liar and murderer, moses - or have you found their etched tablets from the heavens, w/ the phony 10 commandments, yet - to prove otherwise.

You sound delusional. Regardless of how the written laws were scribed, they did indeed exist. Enduring the test of time, they still do.

 

[BreezeWood]

You sound delusional. Regardless of how the written laws were scribed, they did indeed exist. Enduring the test of time, they still do.

The only source we all have is the Bible. That's what I'm going by.

not so. the spoken religion of antiquity, the triumph of good vs evil - your choice.

the sound of justice, no where found in the c-bible literary document of servitude and deceit.

what has proven enduring are - the crucifiers - after they murdered jesus and wrote their phony c-bible ... and those that continue their legacy - faun ...

they ignore the true religion of antiquity prescribed to a&e and given a second chance during the time of noah.

- it's in their book, a climatic conclusion of death "they" will be saved from by the heaves they in fact have abandoned.