Abraham Lincoln uncensored

[gipper]

You forgot to add the D Party would have happily done the same.

WTF is wrong with you IQ2?

I didn't add the D party because Lincoln is the subject and you republicans want to lie about your history.

So as none of you republicans freed the slaves that you did not own, don't take credit for it. Take credit for what you are now. Anti AA, anti civil rights, pro confederacy, fake claims of anti white discrimination, and alt right racism.

I don't like white racists gimpy. So unless you are telling me all whites are racist, then you show your ignorance every time your maggot ass starts crying about me being a racist. Because all whites aren't white racists. But you are.

You are one silly racist dude.

I have yet to see a post by you that attacks the D Party. Yet, the D Party IS the historic party of racism, slavery, segregation, etc... However you are very proficient at attacking the R Party. So helpfully you will understand why I find your racist rants against the Rs ignorant. There is little difference between the two parties on this subject.

As you well know, I am not a republican.

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

 

[IM2]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

And as far as Lincoln's emancipation proclamation being forced upon him, that only works if you have a Marty mcfly delorean. It was July of 1862 when Lincoln was sharing his emancipation proclamation he had written with his cabinet, and AFTER that, in August of that year was when the black delegation rejected his voluntary resettlement idea.

So to say that that black delegation response influenced his decision to emancipate, would need a swapping of events in history.

I'm not so sure about that SandSquid. The EP was an executive order issued in January 1863 after meeting with the delegation. Had they accepted his proposal the EP would probably have been unnecessary.

 

[IM2]

I didn't add the D party because Lincoln is the subject and you republicans want to lie about your history.

So as none of you republicans freed the slaves that you did not own, don't take credit for it. Take credit for what you are now. Anti AA, anti civil rights, pro confederacy, fake claims of anti white discrimination, and alt right racism.

I don't like white racists gimpy. So unless you are telling me all whites are racist, then you show your ignorance every time your maggot ass starts crying about me being a racist. Because all whites aren't white racists. But you are.

You are one silly racist dude.

I have yet to see a post by you that attacks the D Party. Yet, the D Party IS the historic party of racism, slavery, segregation, etc... However you are very proficient at attacking the R Party. So helpfully you will understand why I find your racist rants against the Rs ignorant. There is little difference between the two parties on this subject.

As you well know, I am not a republican.

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

 

[SandSquid]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Well like you say after receiving letters from people like Andrew Moore the governor of Alabama who said he would gladly end slavery, but there is nothing to do with the blacks who are freed and if free blacks existed his citizens would need to murder them. Lincoln did propose and push a voluntary option for blacks who wished to resettle outside of where those people were. But made it clear those blacks were free.

He then invited a black delegation to the white house to go over his proposal. The first time in the US history a black delegation was given a voice in that way. Their response was completely against his plan.

So instead of pushing that through as the next election was coming up, he ran as a "moderate" again, saying he wasn't for equal rights for blacks. Once he had those votes in his inaugural speech, he did a 180, and spoke that he would be fighting for black voting rights. At that speech was an actor who seeing that the wall was pulled over the white supremacists eyes again in an election left yelling " well that means ni&&er citizenship!". A week later while Lincoln was at a play that same actor found him and ended his life.

I think Frederick Douglass had it right. Lincoln could have told the truth and run his first election not as a moderate, but based on his actions as a full abolitionist wanting to end slavery. He could have run his second term not as a moderate but as a fighter for black rights. And likely would not have won the presidency in either of them, and not been able to end slavery or attempt to fight for black rights before he was murdered.

Lincoln wasn't going to run that way because he didn't believe that way. His comments to the delegation shows this.

I do wonder if we will view other presidents how we view Lincoln in 150 years. If we will say George HW bush didn't raise taxes because of his campaign speeches. If we will say Obamacare kept your provider and cut prices cause he said so in his campaign. I am curious how long it takes for a campaign speech to matter more than actual actions.

I mean who else do we ignore acts for campaign speeches for?

 

[SandSquid]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

And as far as Lincoln's emancipation proclamation being forced upon him, that only works if you have a Marty mcfly delorean. It was July of 1862 when Lincoln was sharing his emancipation proclamation he had written with his cabinet, and AFTER that, in August of that year was when the black delegation rejected his voluntary resettlement idea.

So to say that that black delegation response influenced his decision to emancipate, would need a swapping of events in history.

I'm not so sure about that SandSquid. The EP was an executive order issued in January 1863 after meeting with the delegation. Had they accepted his proposal the EP would probably have been unnecessary.

Yes it took effect In 1863. Something he had written well before July when he shared it with his cabinet, and threatened in September.

And let's not forget his pushing for Congress to act on slaves recovered by troops, freeing slaves where he could as a senator and president (DC and the only thing he required West va to do to enter the us was abolish slavery, and of course fighting for the 13th amendment to free every slave in the US.

You need a time machine to say he was forced to come up with it before that delegation, as it was already written before they showed up.

 

[IM2]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Well like you say after receiving letters from people like Andrew Moore the governor of Alabama who said he would gladly end slavery, but there is nothing to do with the blacks who are freed and if free blacks existed his citizens would need to murder them. Lincoln did propose and push a voluntary option for blacks who wished to resettle outside of where those people were. But made it clear those blacks were free.

He then invited a black delegation to the white house to go over his proposal. The first time in the US history a black delegation was given a voice in that way. Their response was completely against his plan.

So instead of pushing that through as the next election was coming up, he ran as a "moderate" again, saying he wasn't for equal rights for blacks. Once he had those votes in his inaugural speech, he did a 180, and spoke that he would be fighting for black voting rights. At that speech was an actor who seeing that the wall was pulled over the white supremacists eyes again in an election left yelling " well that means ni&&er citizenship!". A week later while Lincoln was at a play that same actor found him and ended his life.

I think Frederick Douglass had it right. Lincoln could have told the truth and run his first election not as a moderate, but based on his actions as a full abolitionist wanting to end slavery. He could have run his second term not as a moderate but as a fighter for black rights. And likely would not have won the presidency in either of them, and not been able to end slavery or attempt to fight for black rights before he was murdered.

Lincoln wasn't going to run that way because he didn't believe that way. His comments to the delegation shows this.

I do wonder if we will view other presidents how we view Lincoln in 150 years. If we will say George HW bush didn't raise taxes because of his campaign speeches. If we will say Obamacare kept your provider and cut prices cause he said so in his campaign. I am curious how long it takes for a campaign speech to matter more than actual actions.

I mean who else do we ignore acts for campaign speeches for?

This is about more than a campaign speech. I'm viewing Lincoln from the perspective that he did not honestly think blacks were equal human beings. He might not have been for slavery but he still had a problem with racism. So did every president before and mist presidents since,

 

[IM2]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

And as far as Lincoln's emancipation proclamation being forced upon him, that only works if you have a Marty mcfly delorean. It was July of 1862 when Lincoln was sharing his emancipation proclamation he had written with his cabinet, and AFTER that, in August of that year was when the black delegation rejected his voluntary resettlement idea.

So to say that that black delegation response influenced his decision to emancipate, would need a swapping of events in history.

I'm not so sure about that SandSquid. The EP was an executive order issued in January 1863 after meeting with the delegation. Had they accepted his proposal the EP would probably have been unnecessary.

Yes it took effect In 1863. Something he had written well before July when he shared it with his cabinet, and threatened in September.

And let's not forget his pushing for Congress to act on slaves recovered by troops, freeing slaves where he could as a senator and president (DC and the only thing he required West va to do to enter the us was abolish slavery, and of course fighting for the 13th amendment to free every slave in the US.

You need a time machine to say he was forced to come up with it before that delegation, as it was already written before they showed up.

I don't know about all that since blacks did reject his proposal you really can't say it had bothing to do with it. Lincoln went to congress in December 1862 still pushing colonization and continued to by asking if other governments would accept blacks sent from America.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You forgot to add the D Party would have happily done the same.

WTF is wrong with you IQ2?

I didn't add the D party because Lincoln is the subject and you republicans want to lie about your history.

So as none of you republicans freed the slaves that you did not own, don't take credit for it. Take credit for what you are now. Anti AA, anti civil rights, pro confederacy, fake claims of anti white discrimination, and alt right racism.

I don't like white racists gimpy. So unless you are telling me all whites are racist, then you show your ignorance every time your maggot ass starts crying about me being a racist. Because all whites aren't white racists. But you are.

You are one silly racist dude.

I have yet to see a post by you that attacks the D Party. Yet, the D Party IS the historic party of racism, slavery, segregation, etc... However you are very proficient at attacking the R Party. So helpfully you will understand why I find your racist rants against the Rs ignorant. There is little difference between the two parties on this subject.

As you well know, I am not a republican.

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

You keep repeating the same lies to give yourself some form of false comfort.

 

[gipper]

You are one silly racist dude.

I have yet to see a post by you that attacks the D Party. Yet, the D Party IS the historic party of racism, slavery, segregation, etc... However you are very proficient at attacking the R Party. So helpfully you will understand why I find your racist rants against the Rs ignorant. There is little difference between the two parties on this subject.

As you well know, I am not a republican.

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

You should take my advice. Your IQ would increase exponentially.

 

[IM2]

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

You should take my advice. Your IQ would increase exponentially.

My IQ is higher than yours so do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Is/was it ok that Blacks owned slaves?

I don't think owning black people is good in any way. And the secessionists of the South making it clear that they were breaking away to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery was horrible, and all of those legislators pushing secession and 100% of the votes for that secession for that reasoning were white.

There is one exception for black slaveholders. No one knows what percentage of black slave owners fell under this, but as more black slaves were being freed, many states in the South passed laws that black slaves could not ever be emancipated. This meant that fathers had wives, children, extended family and friends who were enslaved with no way of freeing them. Some wrote about their decision to buy their families and friends. As awful as that sounds when it's the only legal option available, I don't fault that when it was the only option to live. As for those not owning black slaves for that reason they were definitely in the wrong.

What part don't you get, owning a slave was like owning a I pad today, it was the technology of the time, every one had to have one to make their lives easier.



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[Wyatt earp]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Well like you say after receiving letters from people like Andrew Moore the governor of Alabama who said he would gladly end slavery, but there is nothing to do with the blacks who are freed and if free blacks existed his citizens would need to murder them. Lincoln did propose and push a voluntary option for blacks who wished to resettle outside of where those people were. But made it clear those blacks were free.

He then invited a black delegation to the white house to go over his proposal. The first time in the US history a black delegation was given a voice in that way. Their response was completely against his plan.

So instead of pushing that through as the next election was coming up, he ran as a "moderate" again, saying he wasn't for equal rights for blacks. Once he had those votes in his inaugural speech, he did a 180, and spoke that he would be fighting for black voting rights. At that speech was an actor who seeing that the wall was pulled over the white supremacists eyes again in an election left yelling " well that means ni&&er citizenship!". A week later while Lincoln was at a play that same actor found him and ended his life.

I think Frederick Douglass had it right. Lincoln could have told the truth and run his first election not as a moderate, but based on his actions as a full abolitionist wanting to end slavery. He could have run his second term not as a moderate but as a fighter for black rights. And likely would not have won the presidency in either of them, and not been able to end slavery or attempt to fight for black rights before he was murdered.

Lincoln wasn't going to run that way because he didn't believe that way. His comments to the delegation shows this.

I do wonder if we will view other presidents how we view Lincoln in 150 years. If we will say George HW bush didn't raise taxes because of his campaign speeches. If we will say Obamacare kept your provider and cut prices cause he said so in his campaign. I am curious how long it takes for a campaign speech to matter more than actual actions.

I mean who else do we ignore acts for campaign speeches for?

This is about more than a campaign speech. I'm viewing Lincoln from the perspective that he did not honestly think blacks were equal human beings. He might not have been for slavery but he still had a problem with racism. So did every president before and mist presidents since,

Your views are correct, for some reason Lefty's like you can't figure out you can't compare the way society thought in the past to the present.

It's not that complicated if you read history and look at old pictures.


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[gipper]

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

You should take my advice. Your IQ would increase exponentially.

My IQ is higher than yours so do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

LMFAO. Not a chance IQ2.

 

[SandSquid]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Is/was it ok that Blacks owned slaves?

I don't think owning black people is good in any way. And the secessionists of the South making it clear that they were breaking away to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery was horrible, and all of those legislators pushing secession and 100% of the votes for that secession for that reasoning were white.

There is one exception for black slaveholders. No one knows what percentage of black slave owners fell under this, but as more black slaves were being freed, many states in the South passed laws that black slaves could not ever be emancipated. This meant that fathers had wives, children, extended family and friends who were enslaved with no way of freeing them. Some wrote about their decision to buy their families and friends. As awful as that sounds when it's the only legal option available, I don't fault that when it was the only option to live. As for those not owning black slaves for that reason they were definitely in the wrong.

What part don't you get, owning a slave was like owning a I pad today, it was the technology of the time, every one had to have one to make their lives easier.



.

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

And as far as Lincoln's emancipation proclamation being forced upon him, that only works if you have a Marty mcfly delorean. It was July of 1862 when Lincoln was sharing his emancipation proclamation he had written with his cabinet, and AFTER that, in August of that year was when the black delegation rejected his voluntary resettlement idea.

So to say that that black delegation response influenced his decision to emancipate, would need a swapping of events in history.

I'm not so sure about that SandSquid. The EP was an executive order issued in January 1863 after meeting with the delegation. Had they accepted his proposal the EP would probably have been unnecessary.

Yes it took effect In 1863. Something he had written well before July when he shared it with his cabinet, and threatened in September.

And let's not forget his pushing for Congress to act on slaves recovered by troops, freeing slaves where he could as a senator and president (DC and the only thing he required West va to do to enter the us was abolish slavery, and of course fighting for the 13th amendment to free every slave in the US.

You need a time machine to say he was forced to come up with it before that delegation, as it was already written before they showed up.

I don't know about all that since blacks did reject his proposal you really can't say it had bothing to do with it. Lincoln went to congress in December 1862 still pushing colonization and continued to by asking if other governments would accept blacks sent from America.

Which puts that months after he had publicly released his emancipation proclamation and said if the South didn't surrender, it would take effect in January.

So clearly the later one can't have influenced something that came before it.

 

[SandSquid]

Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Well like you say after receiving letters from people like Andrew Moore the governor of Alabama who said he would gladly end slavery, but there is nothing to do with the blacks who are freed and if free blacks existed his citizens would need to murder them. Lincoln did propose and push a voluntary option for blacks who wished to resettle outside of where those people were. But made it clear those blacks were free.

He then invited a black delegation to the white house to go over his proposal. The first time in the US history a black delegation was given a voice in that way. Their response was completely against his plan.

So instead of pushing that through as the next election was coming up, he ran as a "moderate" again, saying he wasn't for equal rights for blacks. Once he had those votes in his inaugural speech, he did a 180, and spoke that he would be fighting for black voting rights. At that speech was an actor who seeing that the wall was pulled over the white supremacists eyes again in an election left yelling " well that means ni&&er citizenship!". A week later while Lincoln was at a play that same actor found him and ended his life.

I think Frederick Douglass had it right. Lincoln could have told the truth and run his first election not as a moderate, but based on his actions as a full abolitionist wanting to end slavery. He could have run his second term not as a moderate but as a fighter for black rights. And likely would not have won the presidency in either of them, and not been able to end slavery or attempt to fight for black rights before he was murdered.

Lincoln wasn't going to run that way because he didn't believe that way. His comments to the delegation shows this.

I do wonder if we will view other presidents how we view Lincoln in 150 years. If we will say George HW bush didn't raise taxes because of his campaign speeches. If we will say Obamacare kept your provider and cut prices cause he said so in his campaign. I am curious how long it takes for a campaign speech to matter more than actual actions.

I mean who else do we ignore acts for campaign speeches for?

This is about more than a campaign speech. I'm viewing Lincoln from the perspective that he did not honestly think blacks were equal human beings. He might not have been for slavery but he still had a problem with racism. So did every president before and mist presidents since,

I agree to a point. Being accused of wanting equal rights was an atom bomb being thrown at your campaign in that era. It would be like being accused of being a communist during the cold war.

It's tough to say a President who died because after having his opponents bash him with the unelectable position that he was for freeing slaves, and then the second round that he was for equal rights even, he denied them to get votes, then fought for exactly those things.

I do wonder how much further along less discrimination and the civil rights movement would be had he not been killed. He ended slavery, something that had existed in the US since it's inception in 4 years. I am curious if he could have gotten the right to vote passed over 50 years earlier had he lived. I really think he could have with reconstruction governments in place.

Was he perfect? By no means. His dirty politics, threats with imprisonment and such to get the 13th amendment through were awful. His emancipation proclamation was one of the biggest overreaches in federal power ever. His thoughts on that voluntary resettlement were shortsighted and wrong no matter who's best interest he thought he was trying to protect.

 

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I didn't add the D party because Lincoln is the subject and you republicans want to lie about your history.

So as none of you republicans freed the slaves that you did not own, don't take credit for it. Take credit for what you are now. Anti AA, anti civil rights, pro confederacy, fake claims of anti white discrimination, and alt right racism.

I don't like white racists gimpy. So unless you are telling me all whites are racist, then you show your ignorance every time your maggot ass starts crying about me being a racist. Because all whites aren't white racists. But you are.

You are one silly racist dude.

I have yet to see a post by you that attacks the D Party. Yet, the D Party IS the historic party of racism, slavery, segregation, etc... However you are very proficient at attacking the R Party. So helpfully you will understand why I find your racist rants against the Rs ignorant. There is little difference between the two parties on this subject.

As you well know, I am not a republican.

Stop living in the past gimpy. Today's republican party is the party of racism. It's been like that since at least 1964. So I am not going to be gaslight into being party of your party. Don't tell me you are not republican while repeating republican rhetoric chump. So are you telling me all whites are racists?

The party blacks have supported for decades has done nothing for them, yet you still support that party. DUMB.

I don’t know R rhetoric so I can’t comment on your stupidity.

Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

You keep repeating the same lies to give yourself some form of false comfort.

Too bad they aren't lies. But you are the one doing that.

 

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Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Is/was it ok that Blacks owned slaves?

I don't think owning black people is good in any way. And the secessionists of the South making it clear that they were breaking away to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery was horrible, and all of those legislators pushing secession and 100% of the votes for that secession for that reasoning were white.

There is one exception for black slaveholders. No one knows what percentage of black slave owners fell under this, but as more black slaves were being freed, many states in the South passed laws that black slaves could not ever be emancipated. This meant that fathers had wives, children, extended family and friends who were enslaved with no way of freeing them. Some wrote about their decision to buy their families and friends. As awful as that sounds when it's the only legal option available, I don't fault that when it was the only option to live. As for those not owning black slaves for that reason they were definitely in the wrong.

What part don't you get, owning a slave was like owning a I pad today, it was the technology of the time, every one had to have one to make their lives easier.



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Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

And as far as Lincoln's emancipation proclamation being forced upon him, that only works if you have a Marty mcfly delorean. It was July of 1862 when Lincoln was sharing his emancipation proclamation he had written with his cabinet, and AFTER that, in August of that year was when the black delegation rejected his voluntary resettlement idea.

So to say that that black delegation response influenced his decision to emancipate, would need a swapping of events in history.

I'm not so sure about that SandSquid. The EP was an executive order issued in January 1863 after meeting with the delegation. Had they accepted his proposal the EP would probably have been unnecessary.

Yes it took effect In 1863. Something he had written well before July when he shared it with his cabinet, and threatened in September.

And let's not forget his pushing for Congress to act on slaves recovered by troops, freeing slaves where he could as a senator and president (DC and the only thing he required West va to do to enter the us was abolish slavery, and of course fighting for the 13th amendment to free every slave in the US.

You need a time machine to say he was forced to come up with it before that delegation, as it was already written before they showed up.

I don't know about all that since blacks did reject his proposal you really can't say it had bothing to do with it. Lincoln went to congress in December 1862 still pushing colonization and continued to by asking if other governments would accept blacks sent from America.

Which puts that months after he had publicly released his emancipation proclamation and said if the South didn't surrender, it would take effect in January.

So clearly the later one can't have influenced something that came before it.

I think you need to show me where he made that announcement.

 

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Abraham Lincoln has been given a lot of credit because he signed the emancipation proclamation. But in reality he was forced to do so because blacks refused to be resettled in a colony in the Central American jungle.

"In his book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery, historian Eric Foner writes that by 1862, Lincoln, as well as politically moderate members of Congress, saw colonization as at least a piece of the policy puzzle. "Both the law providing for abolition in the District of Columbia and the Second Confiscation Act included provisions for the colonization of those willing to emigrate. During 1862, Congress appropriated a total of $600,000 to aid in the transportation overseas of African-Americans," Foner wrote. Policy entrepreneurs of varying trustworthiness offered colonization proposals in such far-flung locales as Brazil, Colombia, and the Caribbean island of St. Croix.

But most black Americans weren’t buying. Seeking their support, Lincoln met with a black delegation at the White House on Aug. 14, 1862, and made the case for colonization. It was widely considered a failure. Lincoln offended his visitors, and others who read the after-the-fact newspaper coverage, by saying such things as, "It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated" and that for blacks to refuse to colonize elsewhere would be "extremely selfish."

Did Abraham Lincoln plan to send ex-slaves to Central America after the Civil War?

Abraham Lincoln 'wanted to deport slaves' to new colonies

Here are some words from the republican Abe Lincoln:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

This is the Abraham Lincoln they didn’t tell you about in school.

As the free black leaders soon discovered, Lincoln’s invitation to discuss policy was a pretext for a one-sided sales pitch.

“I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact with which we have to deal,” Lincoln continued. “I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact, about which we all think and feel alike, I and you.”

Lincoln continued to unload on the delegates, even blaming their people for the Civil War at his doorstep: “See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Slavery was a law made legal by whites and yet Lincoln blames blacks for the civil war.

This brought the president back to colonization, and his purpose for inviting the delegates to the White House in the first place—to get them to accept his trial balloon.

“I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it,” Lincoln reasoned. “You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.”

Then he pivoted: “But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves.”

In Lincoln’s mind, if these free leaders stepped forward to lead the emigration of black people out of the United States, that would make it easier for white slaveholders to free the rest.

He explained: “If you could give a start to white people, you would open a wide door for many to be made free. If we deal with those who are not free at the beginning, and whose intellects are clouded by Slavery, we have very poor materials to start with. If intelligent colored men, such as are before me, would move in this matter, much might be accomplished. It is exceedingly important that we have men at the beginning capable of thinking as white men, and not those who have been systematically oppressed.”

Nothing like flattering some of the race by insulting the rest!

“There is much to encourage you,” Lincoln continued pitching. “For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.”

https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black-people-back-to-africa-1790858389

This is part of republican history they don't want to tell blacks as they try to herd dumb blacks into republican slave quarters.

Well like you say after receiving letters from people like Andrew Moore the governor of Alabama who said he would gladly end slavery, but there is nothing to do with the blacks who are freed and if free blacks existed his citizens would need to murder them. Lincoln did propose and push a voluntary option for blacks who wished to resettle outside of where those people were. But made it clear those blacks were free.

He then invited a black delegation to the white house to go over his proposal. The first time in the US history a black delegation was given a voice in that way. Their response was completely against his plan.

So instead of pushing that through as the next election was coming up, he ran as a "moderate" again, saying he wasn't for equal rights for blacks. Once he had those votes in his inaugural speech, he did a 180, and spoke that he would be fighting for black voting rights. At that speech was an actor who seeing that the wall was pulled over the white supremacists eyes again in an election left yelling " well that means ni&&er citizenship!". A week later while Lincoln was at a play that same actor found him and ended his life.

I think Frederick Douglass had it right. Lincoln could have told the truth and run his first election not as a moderate, but based on his actions as a full abolitionist wanting to end slavery. He could have run his second term not as a moderate but as a fighter for black rights. And likely would not have won the presidency in either of them, and not been able to end slavery or attempt to fight for black rights before he was murdered.

Lincoln wasn't going to run that way because he didn't believe that way. His comments to the delegation shows this.

I do wonder if we will view other presidents how we view Lincoln in 150 years. If we will say George HW bush didn't raise taxes because of his campaign speeches. If we will say Obamacare kept your provider and cut prices cause he said so in his campaign. I am curious how long it takes for a campaign speech to matter more than actual actions.

I mean who else do we ignore acts for campaign speeches for?

This is about more than a campaign speech. I'm viewing Lincoln from the perspective that he did not honestly think blacks were equal human beings. He might not have been for slavery but he still had a problem with racism. So did every president before and mist presidents since,

I agree to a point. Being accused of wanting equal rights was an atom bomb being thrown at your campaign in that era. It would be like being accused of being a communist during the cold war.

It's tough to say a President who died because after having his opponents bash him with the unelectable position that he was for freeing slaves, and then the second round that he was for equal rights even, he denied them to get votes, then fought for exactly those things.

I do wonder how much further along less discrimination and the civil rights movement would be had he not been killed. He ended slavery, something that had existed in the US since it's inception in 4 years. I am curious if he could have gotten the right to vote passed over 50 years earlier had he lived. I really think he could have with reconstruction governments in place.

Was he perfect? By no means. His dirty politics, threats with imprisonment and such to get the 13th amendment through were awful. His emancipation proclamation was one of the biggest overreaches in federal power ever. His thoughts on that voluntary resettlement were shortsighted and wrong no matter who's best interest he thought he was trying to protect.

Fair enough.

 

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Blacks were republicans for decades before that. We left the party for a reason.

And we would be fools to join the republican party now.

Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

You should take my advice. Your IQ would increase exponentially.

My IQ is higher than yours so do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

LMFAO. Not a chance IQ2.

I'm quite certain it is. In fact I guarantee that your IQ is lower. So do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community.

 

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Neither party will do you any good. They are criminal organizations only interested in enriching themselves and their 1% donors.

Look, concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

You should take my advice. Your IQ would increase exponentially.

My IQ is higher than yours so do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community. I don't need the advice from someone like you pertaining to who I support politically, nor do blacks in general.

LMFAO. Not a chance IQ2.

I'm quite certain it is. In fact I guarantee that your IQ is lower. So do as I suggested. Concern yourself with the politics affecting the white community.

I’ve never met a racist with an IQ over 10. I doubt you are the exception.