Abortion: Quality of Life of the baby

[hazlnut]

Not going to happen so long as people are killing babies.

Killing babies is a crime. And it's a shame that people like you don't care more about abused and neglected children, as some of these children die at their parents hands.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure that results in the termination of a pregnancy. In a perfect world, abortions of 'convenience' would not exist. All abortions are a PRIVATE sadness.

If you want to move us closer to a perfect world, vote 4 President Barack Obama.

 

[koshergrl]

We already showed you that you can't detect disabilities in the first trimester, you dishonest death cultist.

Who is 'WE'?

You and your invisible friend?

Didn't you read all the links I gave you?

Reading is fun!!

You didn't provide any verification whatever that disabilities can be found in the first trimester, you lying piece of filth.

But please, tell us what disabilities, specifically, can be indicated by what sort of test.

Because I provided lots of evidence that you're lying.

 

[koshergrl]

Not going to happen so long as people are killing babies.

Killing babies is a crime. And it's a shame that people like you don't care more about abused and neglected children, as some of these children die at their parents hands.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure that results in the termination of a pregnancy. In a perfect world, abortions of 'convenience' would not exist. All abortions are a PRIVATE sadness.

If you want to move us closer to a perfect world, vote 4 President Barack Obama.

Provide some evidence that women who don't abort their babies abuse their children.

I can provide all sorts of evidence that women who DO abort babies abuse children....

 

[hazlnut]

Not going to happen so long as people are killing babies.

Killing babies is a crime. And it's a shame that people like you don't care more about abused and neglected children, as some of these children die at their parents hands.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure that results in the termination of a pregnancy. In a perfect world, abortions of 'convenience' would not exist. All abortions are a PRIVATE sadness.

If you want to move us closer to a perfect world, vote 4 President Barack Obama.

Provide some evidence that women who don't abort their babies abuse their children.

I can provide all sorts of evidence that women who DO abort babies abuse children....

See, your tiny mind only allows for all or nothing thinking.

I never said what you claimed.

If you're going to paraphrase my posts, stop doing such a piss poor job.

All info about 12 week blood tests and sonograms was posted earlier in thread. Stop being so lazy and read it.

2nd term procedures are legal -- BTW.

Late term abortions are also legal in some states when two doctors agree. Why do you think you are qualified to question medical doctors?

90% of down syndrome embryos are aborted.

Does that bother you?

Why those parents made that decision is none of your business. My thread asks why isn't quality of life mentioned in the GOP platform?

Do we not have that choice?

 

[koshergrl]

Dear Lying Sack of Shit:

You said that severe deformities could be found in the first trimester. You said it repeatedly. That was a lie, as I proved.

You continued to say it. You continue to lie.

You claim you provided proof that they could be discovered in the first trimester...you were LYING. I provided more proof.

Now you claim that "abortions in second trimester are legal"...I take it that is some sort of confirmation that you realize you're lying about being able to detect birth defects in the first trimester?

Liar.

Further, you posted that babies who aren't aborted are abused. Please provide evidence that women who choose not to abort their children are more likely to torture their children as you described (burning with cigarettes, locking them in cages, etc.)

Here is evidence that women who get abortions are more likely to abuse their children...apparently abortion causes women to become abusive and neglectful:

"In the first 10 years after abortion was legalised in America however, child abuse increased by over 500 percent.

As in America, reported child abuse cases in New Zealand have been steadily increasing every year. Public awareness campaigns have helped increase reports to child-welfare agencies. Overall, the number of cases is climbing.

Several academic studies indicate a link between abortion and subsequent child abuse. "

"Three prominent academics have published research: Theresa Karminski Burke, Ph.D., a psychotherapist, David Reardon, Ph.D., a biomedical ethicist and director of the Elliott Institute, and psychiatrist Philip Ney, M.D., a clinical professor at the University of British Columbia in Canada.

Philip Ney is the leading researcher into understanding the link between abortion and subsequent child abuse. Most of his research has focused on the role of abortion in disrupting bonding with later children.

The symptoms are: weakening of maternal instincts, reduced inhibitions against violence, particularly towards children; and heightened levels of anger, rage and depression.

Ney writes, "When I investigated the relationship between child abuse and abortion and reported a direct correlation, people were angry and astonished. It appeared that the rate of child abuse did not decrease with freely available abortions. In fact, the opposite was true. "

Child Abuse Link to Abortion | The Life Resources Charitable Trust

 

[Borillar]

I found some pictures of severely deform infants being kept alive on life support. Babies with their brains and spinal cords exposed.

If their on life support and can't live without it......there is legal and ethical protocol to deal with the cessation of life support.

Republican protocol = Can't pay for it? Let him die.

 

[whitehall]

How about the quality of life of street people or welfare recipients or people in prisons you freaking nazis?

 

[koshergrl]

I found some pictures of severely deform infants being kept alive on life support. Babies with their brains and spinal cords exposed.

If their on life support and can't live without it......there is legal and ethical protocol to deal with the cessation of life support.

Republican protocol = Can't pay for it? Let him die.

Yeah, that's why we pour billions of dollars into Christian charities that pick up the medical tab for those who can't afford it.

 

[Shelzin]

How about the quality of life of street people or welfare recipients or people in prisons you freaking nazis?

I personally don't think people in prisons should be lumped with welfare recipients.

 

[koshergrl]

You obviously are not cognizant of how many welfare recipients have spent time in jail.

 

[hazlnut]

You said that severe deformities could be found in the first trimester. You said it repeatedly. That was a lie, as I proved.

You dumb gash, what do you think they're looking for with the first sonogram?

They count the fingers.

They count the toes.

They look at the shape of the head.

The spinal chord.

The heart.

They can see an abnormal heart, spinal chord, extremities.

Yes, you absolutely can see sever deformities in the first trimester.

First Trimester blood tests can reveal other health issues including down syndrome.

Second trimester procedures are also perfectly legal if the parents want to wait and see.


You proved that you are ignorant on this subject matter....

Well done!!

http://eradiology.bidmc.harvard.edu/LearningLab/genito/lipson.pdf

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/prenataltesting/firstscreen.html

The First Trimester Screen is a new, optional noninvasive evaluation that combines a maternal blood screening test with an ultrasound evaluation of the fetus to identify risk for specific chromosomal abnormalities, including Down Syndrome Trisomy-21 and Trisomy-18.

In addition to screening for these abnormalities, a portion of the test (known as the nuchal translucency) can assist in identifying other significant fetal abnormalities, such as cardiac disorders. The screening test does not detect neural tube defects.

 

[koshergrl]

You're a fucking idiot.

I already posted this, but since you are either illiterate, or an incorrigible liar, here it is again:

"Screening tests show the chance that a baby has a certain birth defect. It can't tell you for sure that your baby has a problem."

"
No test is 100% accurate. A test may be negative even when the baby has a birth defect. This is called a false-negative test result. It's also possible that a test will be positive-meaning the test result is abnormal-but the baby does not have the problem. This is called a false-positive test result."

Birth Defects Testing-What are birth defects tests?

 

[koshergrl]

Again:

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During the first 3 months of pregnancy (first trimester), a woman can have two types of tests to show the chance that her baby has a birth defect. When the results are combined, these tests are known as the first-trimester screening. They also may be called the combined first-trimester screening or the combined screening.
These screening tests help your doctor find out the chance that your baby has certain birth defects, such as Down syndrome or trisomy 18. These tests can't show for sure that your baby has a birth defect. "

"It's possible that a screening test will be positive—meaning the test result is abnormal—but the baby doesn't have the problem. This is called a false-positive test result. And it's also possible that a screening may show that a baby doesn't have a birth defect when he or she does have it. This is called a false-negative test result."

First Trimester Screening for Birth Defects - What is the first trimester screening for birth defects? How are the tests done? How accurate are the tests? What do the results mean? - Genetic Conditions

 

[koshergrl]

What the hell are "sever" abnormalities?

Are you TDM????

 

[hazlnut]

You're a fucking idiot.

I already posted this, but since you are either illiterate, or an incorrigible liar, here it is again:

"Screening tests show the chance that a baby has a certain birth defect. It can't tell you for sure that your baby has a problem."

"
No test is 100% accurate. A test may be negative even when the baby has a birth defect. This is called a false-negative test result. It's also possible that a test will be positive-meaning the test result is abnormal-but the baby does not have the problem. This is called a false-positive test result."

Birth Defects Testing-What are birth defects tests?

Stop.

You won't even read the factual information I'm posting because you don't want to know it.

First term sonograms reveal birth defects.

Depending on severity parents can terminate the pregnancy or wait for clarification with early second term tests.

 

[hazlnut]

What the hell are "sever" abnormalities?

Are you TDM????

I'm putting little effort into responding to you.

Severe. Happy?

Figure it out, gash. Read the sentence and figure out what I meant.

Then read the fucking links I gave you. Learn something. You fucking stupid axe wound.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If their on life support and can't live without it......there is legal and ethical protocol to deal with the cessation of life support.

Republican protocol = Can't pay for it? Let him die.

Yeah, that's why we pour billions of dollars into Christian charities that pick up the medical tab for those who can't afford it.

Thanks to Socialistic EMTALA, taxpayers and those who pay for their own health care insurance pay for a large percentage of abortions, including for illegals.

Personally, I don't believe I should have to pay for the health care of others but the damn rw's disagree.

 

[hazlnut]

Republican protocol = Can't pay for it? Let him die.

Yeah, that's why we pour billions of dollars into Christian charities that pick up the medical tab for those who can't afford it.

Thanks to Socialistic EMTALA, taxpayers and those who pay for their own health care insurance pay for a large percentage of abortions, including for illegals.

Personally, I don't believe I should have to pay for the health care of others but the damn rw's disagree.

Abortions are cheap compared to a lifetime of welfare, Public Defender costs, court costs, and prison.

How do the GOPs justify not paying for abortions for poor mothers?

 

[whitehall]

After we wade through the liberal nazi bull shit we find that the biggest proponents of abortion aren't women. By gosh it seems that the people who want to keep the abortion mill grinding are...surprise...liberal men. Women would be forced into a life changing decision to kill their unborn by the callus crazies who still think the selfish Playboy lifestyle makes sense. While liberal men approaching their old age accumulate wealth without responsibility women find only inconsolable guilt and regret.

 

[koshergrl]

No, first term screenings do NOT confirm birth defects.

They show a potential for it.

Lying sack of shit.

What does this say, lying baby killing death cultist?

""Screening tests show the chance that a baby has a certain birth defect. It can't tell you for sure that your baby has a problem."

"
No test is 100% accurate. A test may be negative even when the baby has a birth defect. This is called a false-negative test result. It's also possible that a test will be positive-meaning the test result is abnormal-but the baby does not have the problem. This is called a false-positive test result."

Birth Defects Testing-What are birth defects tests?