A small trip to the grocery...a large aggravation.

[Sunshine]

Yup. The person I mentioned earlier was fresh out of grad school and had only been at her job less than a year. She did not have a chance to build up a financial cushion. She got laid off (her company actually ended up going belly up). She resisted taking EBT for exactly this reason...folks might judge her. And, she had a LV handbag and a rocking diamond tennis bracelet (from her parents for finishing grad school).

I told her that if she didn't take the assistance, I would be pissed at her. Fuck 'em if they dared judge her...she and others know what she is. She is EXACTLY the type I don't mind getting asisstance.

She was only on it for a month, too.

This sort of shit makes me laugh at the profound level of close-mindedness of so many.

Hi Si! Seems like old home week, doesn't it?

That is not the generational welfare scenario.

(Hi sweetie! Yes, it does. Classic reactionary shit from the OP.)

No, it's not the generational welfare situation. And I agree that is not a good thing.

My point is, how on Earth would the OP know if this woman is entrenched in entitlements or in a similar situation as the example I provided?

He doesn't.

Yet, he judges. Some must need something to make them feel better about themselves. I don't need to create drama. The woman I desribed doesn't either; she had REAL drama to worry about.

The scenario may not have been generational. Or the woman could have been on the hook to provide refreshments for a child's kindergarten class. Who knows. I think the larger point is the poor choice that looked to have been made.

Of course, as you know I work in health care, so I can extrapolate it even farther in regard to feeding children (or self) so much junk food as it relates to their overall health. And we know who pays the health care bill for welfare recipients.


When I was a young woman, I worked for the local Cooperative Extension Service. There was a food and nutrition specialist there who started a program for welfare recipients to help them understand the best way to spend their money on food. She taught them about stocking up, not letting the kids invade the grocery sacks and eat it all up when they came home from the grocery, how to buy flour and other items to make their own 'mixes', how to grow a few vegetables. Etc.

It was a fabulous program. I was just a secretary who did all her typing. But I took those things and used them in my own life.

I think we need something like that across the board for welfare recipients.

 

[Douger]

Seems to me it was both, bones. Elsewise, why whine about the cold soda? But no matter....mebbe what we need are people like iamwhatiseem to check the tax returns of anyone who wants to buy cigarettes, so poor people cannot get them.

Unless you have been poor, you have no fucking idea what daily life is like for them. Take your morally superior attitude and shove it up your ass.

AWWW Bullshit.
If I was poor enough to receive a card for free food I damn sure wouldn't be buying Cheetoz, baloney and soda with it.
You can be poor and still own a brain. That asshole obviously doesn't


Were the cigarettes Newports ?

 

[Si modo]

Hi Si! Seems like old home week, doesn't it?

That is not the generational welfare scenario.

(Hi sweetie! Yes, it does. Classic reactionary shit from the OP.)

No, it's not the generational welfare situation. And I agree that is not a good thing.

My point is, how on Earth would the OP know if this woman is entrenched in entitlements or in a similar situation as the example I provided?

He doesn't.

Yet, he judges. Some must need something to make them feel better about themselves. I don't need to create drama. The woman I desribed doesn't either; she had REAL drama to worry about.

The scenario may not have been generational. Or the woman could have been on the hook to provide refreshments for a child's kindergarten class. Who knows. I think the larger point is the poor choice that looked to have been made.

Of course, as you know I work in health care, so I can extrapolate it even farther in regard to feeding children (or self) so much junk food as it relates to their overall health. And we know who pays the health care bill for welfare recipients.


When I was a young woman, I worked for the local Cooperative Extension Service. There was a food and nutrition specialist there who started a program for welfare recipients to help them understand the best way to spend their money on food. She taught them about stocking up, not letting the kids invade the grocery sacks and eat it all up when they came home from the grocery, how to buy flour and other items to make their own 'mixes.' Etc.

It was a fabulous program. I was just a secretary who did all her typing. But I took those things and used them in my own life.

I think we need something like that across the board for welfare recipients.

Do we know if this woman had children?

I don't think so.

My example didn't have any either.

See, I would lay good money down that the OP would be one of the first to whine about real (or proposed) food police from the 'healthcare bill'. I would be in agreement with him - it's not the government's business or anyone else's for that matter, what I eat.

Yet he seems not to have a problem making it his business what someone on assistance buys.

I'm trying to reconcile that dichotomy and all I come up with is hypocrisy peppered with some need to manufacture a situation where he can feel superior.

 

[sitarro]

This is my point. The poor are so easy to hate, to look down on, to demonize. Feeling at all inadequate? Trash a poor family. Compassion and respect are for pussies.

And I'll withdraw healthcare for people who smoke when you guys withdraw it for people who drink, or have reckless sex, or simply live too fucking long.

Fine, leave my health care alone and don't steal my money to pay for someone else. For that matter, anyone getting anything from the government should be drug tested, regularly. I had to pass a drug test to make the money that is stolen through excessive taxation to redistribute to others that don't deserve it.

As far as reckless sex, I guess you are referring to the darlings of the Democrat party, homosexuals, pedophiles and most minorities. I guess they won't qualify for "free" health care.

 

[Middleman]

I think it's ridiculous that food stamps can be used to buy candy, pop, and junk food.

I'll admit right here, years ago when I was struggling, I received food stamps for a while. It was very embarrassing to me. That was back when the food stamps came in a booklet, I believe these days they are less conspicuous and they swipe a card, am I not right?

I'm a very health conscious person and only spent the coupons on healthy food, and was very careful with them. It was a tight food budget on food stamps, so I can't imagine how anyone can afford pop, candy, junk food, and still have enough left over for nutritious food.

Also, cigarettes are expensive.

I don't see anything wrong with casting judgments as to how recipients of government assistance conduct their finances. I personally felt very accountable when I was poor and needed help to feed my family. I was young at the time, and worked my ass off to get my act together in order to improve our lot in life, and now I'm prosperous. But, some people are self-indulgent and lazy, and really need a kick in the ass and some tough love, imo.

 

[Si modo]

I think it's ridiculous that food stamps can be used to buy candy, pop, and junk food.

I'll admit right here, years ago when I was struggling, I received food stamps for a while. It was very embarrassing to me. That was back when the food stamps came in a booklet, I believe these days they are less conspicuous and they swipe a card, am I not right?

I'm a very health conscious person and only spent the coupons on healthy food, and was very careful with them. It was a tight food budget on food stamps, so I can't imagine how anyone can afford pop, candy, junk food, and still have enough left over for nutritious food.

Also, cigarettes are expensive.

I don't see anything wrong with casting judgments as to how recipients of government assistance conduct their finances. I personally felt very accountable when I was poor and needed help to feed my family. I was young at the time, and worked my ass off to get my act together in order to improve our lot in life, and now I'm prosperous. But, some people are self-indulgent and lazy, and really need a kick in the ass and some tough love, imo.

And, how would you know whether this person was self indulgent or lazy?

You don't.

Some may not see anything wrong with casting judgements on those getting assistance. When you actually have adequate info to judge, go ahead. Or just look pretty bad doing so.

And, as Obamacare involves healthcare for all (so they say), does that now give you a right to judge what I ingest? Or others to judge what you ingest?

 

[Middleman]

I think it's ridiculous that food stamps can be used to buy candy, pop, and junk food.

I'll admit right here, years ago when I was struggling, I received food stamps for a while. It was very embarrassing to me. That was back when the food stamps came in a booklet, I believe these days they are less conspicuous and they swipe a card, am I not right?

I'm a very health conscious person and only spent the coupons on healthy food, and was very careful with them. It was a tight food budget on food stamps, so I can't imagine how anyone can afford pop, candy, junk food, and still have enough left over for nutritious food.

Also, cigarettes are expensive.

I don't see anything wrong with casting judgments as to how recipients of government assistance conduct their finances. I personally felt very accountable when I was poor and needed help to feed my family. I was young at the time, and worked my ass off to get my act together in order to improve our lot in life, and now I'm prosperous. But, some people are self-indulgent and lazy, and really need a kick in the ass and some tough love, imo.

And, how would you know whether this person was self indulgent or lazy?

You don't.

Some may not see anything wrong with casting judgements on those getting assistance. When you actually have adequate info to judge, go ahead. Or just look pretty bad doing so.

And, as Obamacare involves healthcare for all (so they say), does that now give you a right to judge what I ingest? Or others to judge what you ingest?

Risk factors such as poor nutrition, tobacco abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, lack of physical activity, obesity, high-risk sexual behaviors all drive up the cost of healthcare for everyone, whether the Federal government manages healthcare or not. Anyone who buys insurance and stays healthy, is paying higher premiums to fund the chronic illnesses that are far more likely to strike those who engage in the above unhealthy lifestyles.

 

[Si modo]

I think it's ridiculous that food stamps can be used to buy candy, pop, and junk food.

I'll admit right here, years ago when I was struggling, I received food stamps for a while. It was very embarrassing to me. That was back when the food stamps came in a booklet, I believe these days they are less conspicuous and they swipe a card, am I not right?

I'm a very health conscious person and only spent the coupons on healthy food, and was very careful with them. It was a tight food budget on food stamps, so I can't imagine how anyone can afford pop, candy, junk food, and still have enough left over for nutritious food.

Also, cigarettes are expensive.

I don't see anything wrong with casting judgments as to how recipients of government assistance conduct their finances. I personally felt very accountable when I was poor and needed help to feed my family. I was young at the time, and worked my ass off to get my act together in order to improve our lot in life, and now I'm prosperous. But, some people are self-indulgent and lazy, and really need a kick in the ass and some tough love, imo.

And, how would you know whether this person was self indulgent or lazy?

You don't.

Some may not see anything wrong with casting judgements on those getting assistance. When you actually have adequate info to judge, go ahead. Or just look pretty bad doing so.

And, as Obamacare involves healthcare for all (so they say), does that now give you a right to judge what I ingest? Or others to judge what you ingest?

Risk factors such as poor nutrition, tobacco abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, lack of physical activity, obesity, high-risk sexual behaviors all drive up the cost of healthcare for everyone, whether the Federal government manages healthcare or not. Anyone who buys insurance and stays healthy, is paying higher premiums to fund the chronic illnesses that are far more likely to strike those who engage in the above unhealthy lifestyles.

So, the governemt and others are perfectly within their right to dictate what persons should ingest.

It's simply amazing how such personal freedoms have become the realm of all.

I love nanny government and a nanny public.

Not.

 

[Middleman]

And, how would you know whether this person was self indulgent or lazy?

You don't.

Some may not see anything wrong with casting judgements on those getting assistance. When you actually have adequate info to judge, go ahead. Or just look pretty bad doing so.

And, as Obamacare involves healthcare for all (so they say), does that now give you a right to judge what I ingest? Or others to judge what you ingest?

Risk factors such as poor nutrition, tobacco abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, lack of physical activity, obesity, high-risk sexual behaviors all drive up the cost of healthcare for everyone, whether the Federal government manages healthcare or not. Anyone who buys insurance and stays healthy, is paying higher premiums to fund the chronic illnesses that are far more likely to strike those who engage in the above unhealthy lifestyles.

So, the governemt and others are perfectly within their right to dictate what persons should ingest.

It's simply amazing how such personal freedoms have become the realm of all.

I love nanny government and a nanny public.

Not.

You should have your personal freedom, but others should not have to pay for your folly.

I buy my own health insurance because I don't receive it through my workplace. I resent the fact that my rates keep going up because of the chronic illnesses of others, which are more often than not caused by lifestyle choices. I work in the healthcare profession, and I see the effects of out of control non-compliance in the patient population.

Yet, in order to be covered medically, I get the privilege of being pooled in with those who choose to abuse their bodies in the ways I mentioned. And, if they are on the dole, then I, as a taxpayer, get to chip in for their medical care through taxes. Plus, we all get to pay taxes to buy the crappy food many of them eat, because they're too lazy to cook a decent meal out of inexpensive ingredients that are available in every supermarket across this blessed nation.

I believe there is an incredible lack of accountability in our system as it stands, and I foresee no improvement under Obamacare, but predict that things will continue to deteriorate.

 

[Si modo]

Risk factors such as poor nutrition, tobacco abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, lack of physical activity, obesity, high-risk sexual behaviors all drive up the cost of healthcare for everyone, whether the Federal government manages healthcare or not. Anyone who buys insurance and stays healthy, is paying higher premiums to fund the chronic illnesses that are far more likely to strike those who engage in the above unhealthy lifestyles.

So, the governemt and others are perfectly within their right to dictate what persons should ingest.

It's simply amazing how such personal freedoms have become the realm of all.

I love nanny government and a nanny public.

Not.

You should have your personal freedom, but others should not have to pay for your folly.

I buy my own health insurance because I don't receive it through my workplace. I resent the fact that my rates keep going up because of the chronic illnesses of others, which are more often than not caused by lifestyle choices. I work in the healthcare profession, and I see the effects of out of control non-compliance in the patient population.

Yet, in order to be covered medically, I get the privilege of being pooled in with those who choose to abuse their bodies in the ways I mentioned. And, if they are on the dole, then I, as a taxpayer, get to chip in for their medical care through taxes. Plus, we all get to pay taxes to buy the crappy food many of them eat, because they're too lazy to cook a decent meal out of inexpensive ingredients that are available in every supermarket across this blessed nation.

I believe there is an incredible lack of accountability in our system as it stands, and I foresee no improvement under Obamacare, but predict that things will continue to deteriorate.

Honestly, I understand what you are saying. However, I value personal freedom - and boy, is ingesting what one sees fit about as personal as it gets - above the point you make.

Or, now that we have Obamacare (and foodstamps) the government and all should just supply us with some version of Soylent Green - nutritious and good calorie content for our buck.

I do not surrender my choice easily. We all have the opportunity to fail or succeed with our choices. YOU and the government do not get to decide how I fail or succeed. Human nature is not perfect. Accept the Bell Curve.

This is exactly why I was so against government healthcare.

 

[strollingbones]

Seems to me it was both, bones. Elsewise, why whine about the cold soda? But no matter....mebbe what we need are people like iamwhatiseem to check the tax returns of anyone who wants to buy cigarettes, so poor people cannot get them.

Unless you have been poor, you have no fucking idea what daily life is like for them. Take your morally superior attitude and shove it up your ass.

AWWW Bullshit.
If I was poor enough to receive a card for free food I damn sure wouldn't be buying Cheetoz, baloney and soda with it.
You can be poor and still own a brain. That asshole obviously doesn't


Were the cigarettes Newports ?

if they were she has most likely done time.

 

[Sarah G]

This is my point. The poor are so easy to hate, to look down on, to demonize. Feeling at all inadequate? Trash a poor family. Compassion and respect are for pussies.

And I'll withdraw healthcare for people who smoke when you guys withdraw it for people who drink, or have reckless sex, or simply live too fucking long.

Fine, leave my health care alone and don't steal my money to pay for someone else. For that matter, anyone getting anything from the government should be drug tested, regularly. I had to pass a drug test to make the money that is stolen through excessive taxation to redistribute to others that don't deserve it.

As far as reckless sex, I guess you are referring to the darlings of the Democrat party, homosexuals, pedophiles and most minorities. I guess they won't qualify for "free" health care.

So, it's ok to spend money for your agenda? (Drug testing)

It's expensive, not to mention unconstitutional. Of course you wingnuts don't care about those little factoids, you're the ones who want the bill passed that allows Arizonians to stop Mexicans silly nilly and ask them for their papers.

Cretin.

 

[fyrenza]

You know what?

I don't have COMPLETE Freedom of Choice 'cuz we live on a pretty tight budget,

and if I was a DEPENDENT, whether on my parents or my society,

I'd have enough sense to realize that most of the choices were absolutely NOT going to be MY personal desires.

It's the old "My House, My Rules" thang, where the guy footing the bill gets to be the decision maker,

and if we EVER want to get out from under this Entitlement Mindset,

folks need to understand that basic rule of life, imho.

 

[kwc57]

I'd certainly prefer for my tax dollars to provide nutritious food to poor folks,

and am horrified that soda pop is an allowed purchase with FOOD stamps.

It gets worse.
Candy Bars, and even energy drinks can be bought by food cards.

I am genuinely pleased that most here have the sense to see that something is wrong with this picture.

Yes.......because they are consumable food items.

 

[Neser Boha]

I agree with the OP opinion ... Don't care that much about what sorts of 'food' she bought (if you even want to categorize it as food), but the cigs got me.

I live in, according to many Americans, a "socialist" country of Sweden. And I am disgusted by the idea of people spending the state's money on such shit as alcohol and cigarettes (not to mention other drugs).

Sorry, but once you take money from the government, your 'liberty' should be in certain aspects a bit abridged. Once you're making your own money again - stick it up your ass, for all I care ...

Just an opinion

 

[Samson]

I agree with the OP opinion ... Don't care that much about what sorts of 'food' she bought (if you even want to categorize it as food), but the cigs got me.

I live in, according to many Americans, a "socialist" country of Sweden. And I am disgusted by the idea of people spending the state's money on such shit as alcohol and cigarettes (not to mention other drugs).

Sorry, but once you take money from the government, your 'liberty' should be in certain aspects a bit abridged. Once you're making your own money again - stick it up your ass, for all I care ...

Just an opinion

She used her OWN money to buy the ciggs.

 

[antagon]

although... if she had to use her OWN money for the other food, she probably would not have any for the cigarettes. once you receive some gubmint scrilla, everything you do should be determined by messageboard committees. we need to put this technology to better use.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I agree with the OP opinion ... Don't care that much about what sorts of 'food' she bought (if you even want to categorize it as food), but the cigs got me.

I live in, according to many Americans, a "socialist" country of Sweden. And I am disgusted by the idea of people spending the state's money on such shit as alcohol and cigarettes (not to mention other drugs).

Sorry, but once you take money from the government, your 'liberty' should be in certain aspects a bit abridged. Once you're making your own money again - stick it up your ass, for all I care ...

Just an opinion

She used her OWN money to buy the ciggs.

After spending an equal amount of taxpayer dollars on snack food.

 

[Neser Boha]

I agree with the OP opinion ... Don't care that much about what sorts of 'food' she bought (if you even want to categorize it as food), but the cigs got me.

I live in, according to many Americans, a "socialist" country of Sweden. And I am disgusted by the idea of people spending the state's money on such shit as alcohol and cigarettes (not to mention other drugs).

Sorry, but once you take money from the government, your 'liberty' should be in certain aspects a bit abridged. Once you're making your own money again - stick it up your ass, for all I care ...

Just an opinion

She used her OWN money to buy the ciggs.

Simple math escapes you I see ...

 

[kwc57]

I agree with the OP opinion ... Don't care that much about what sorts of 'food' she bought (if you even want to categorize it as food), but the cigs got me.

I live in, according to many Americans, a "socialist" country of Sweden. And I am disgusted by the idea of people spending the state's money on such shit as alcohol and cigarettes (not to mention other drugs).

Sorry, but once you take money from the government, your 'liberty' should be in certain aspects a bit abridged. Once you're making your own money again - stick it up your ass, for all I care ...

Just an opinion

She used her OWN money to buy the ciggs.

After spending an equal amount of taxpayer dollars on snack food.

Which is food. Is it good for you nutritionally and healthwise? Probably not. Could you buy fresh fruits and vegetables and make the money go further? Probably. But bottom line, she spent her gubmint food bucks on food.