A real solution to illegal immigration

[JoeB131]

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

 

[Wolfmoon]

I would close the border with Mexico. That would trigger a war with the drug cartels and the corrupt Mexican government. The U.S. would be forced to end the wars in the Middle East and bring the troops home and they'd be put on the border to fight the vicious drug cartels. The flow of drugs would cease to enter into the hands of our young people.

The illegal alien migration would come to a halt which would relieve our welfare system, education, medical and other social services to the illegal aliens which costs the United States somewhere near 2.5 Trillion dollars a year. The wars in the Middle Eastern are costing about 4 billion dollars a week. This plan would save a lot of money and would bring the troops home and stop the dangerous flow of drugs crossing our Southern border and would eventually bring peace to our country.

Closing the border would stop the costly hemorrhaging of tax dollars paid to the illegal aliens who create a crippling tax burden on the American people, crime would also go down and we could free up space in our penal colonies. We could end the taxpayer funded expense in the judicial systems defending illegal aliens and save money in our jails and prisons. The over-crowding of jails and prisons are forcing early releases of dangerous criminals who fall back into their old way after be set free.

Many American lives would be saved since illegal aliens kill about 26 people a day not to mention the rapes and child molestations. We would free up a lot of money and stop the flow of drugs and then we can work on deporting illegal aliens from America. There are about half a million illegal aliens Muslims in America. The total number of illegal aliens is said to be around 20 million.

 

[Wolfmoon]

Once we get the border closed and guarded then start rounding up the illegal aliens that are in the country illegally. As we catch them put them in the REX84 Concentration Camps that the federal government already has up and running. Fill a plane or bus up and ship them out. Allow the illegal aliens to take their children with them. Make birthright citizenship illegal. When we have the borders and ports closed and secured then start deporting the criminal illegal aliens in our jails and prisons.

PLEASE CIRCULATE:

61 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to legal and illegal aliens each year.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The legal and illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border http://www.house.gov/sites/members/tx10_mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf

12. The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. $25 billion in remittances back into Mexico as a result of exporting poverty and low skill labor into the United States, 25 to $45 billion a year taken into Mexico as a result of the illicit drug trade into the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/02/ldt.01.html

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States".
http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

15. Every day 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien. Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens and 8 American Children are victims of a sex crime committed by an illegal alien each and every day!
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ia05_king/col_20060505_bite.html

16. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates. These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9c

17. "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine". "Many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American Medicine fought and vanquished long ago, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue and Chagas disease." The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
http://www.jpands.org/jpands1001.htm

18. In 2002, HIV/AIDS was the third leading cause of death among Hispanic men aged 35 to 44 and the fourth leading cause of death among Hispanic women in the same age group. Most Hispanic men were exposed to HIV through sexual contact with other men. Source (CDC): http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/hispanics/resources/factsheets/hispanic.htm

19. If enacted the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years - fully one-third of the current population of the United States.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2006/05/Senate-Immigration-Bill-Would-Allow-100-Million-New-Legal-Immigrants-over-the-Next-Twenty-Years

20. In 2007, legal and illegal aliens cost the federal government more than $346 BILLION dollars and the U.S. taxpayers paid more than $ 9,000. for each immigrant in the country!
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

21. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people estimated by the Census Bureau. 1/3/05
http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf

22. Cases of Leprosy On The Rise In The U.S. - The New York Times. "While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy." Leprosy is an airborne virus; it can also be spread by touching and coughing.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78621

23. Two-thirds of illegal aliens lack a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, into their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

24. America Welcomes Illegal's Contagious Disease.
http://www.rense.com/general64/ill.htm

25. Mexico is the 4th Richest Oil Nation in the World.
www.latinamericanstudies.org/mexico/lopez-portillo.htm

26. The United Nations list Mexico as the number one center for the supply of young children to international pedophile organizations. http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mexico.htm

27. An illegal alien parent receives welfare benefits on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. Regardless of the parents immigration status may receive welfare and other benefits. When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the child’s family. SOURCE: Illegal Aliens Extent of Welfare Benefits, Page 1. http://www.gao..gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

28. In fiscal year 1995, about $1.1 billion in AFDC and Food Stamp benefits were provided to household with an illegal alien parent.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

29. U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion. It's reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/dec/06/20041206-102115-6766r/

30. One illegal alien family, costs the U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits each year. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year. If the lower figure of 12 million illegal aliens is used for estimation purposes, the total tax burden translates to $2.2 trillion per year.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55135

31. Department of Justice, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Department of Homeland Security spent $20 million or more in 2008 to litigate deportation orders for illegal aliens. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/18/justice-department-fail-enforce-deportation-orders/

32. In 2007, DHS apprehended nearly 961,000 foreign nationals. Nearly 89 percent were natives of Mexico.
The leading countries of origin of those removed were Mexico. DHS removed 99,900 known criminal aliens from the United States." Immigration Enforcement Actions: 2007http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/enforcement_ar_07.pdf Or http://www.hsdl.org/hslog/?q=node/4572

33. Based on studies by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Heritage Foundation, households headed by less-educated illegal aliens use $40 billion more in public services each year than they pay in taxes.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/09/ldt.01.html

34. In 2008 report by the Department of Justice indicated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations now operate in 195 cities in the United States. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.RES.72: Text of Legislation

35. In 2008 National Drug Threat Assessment by the Department of Justice identified drug organizations from Mexico as the greatest criminal threat to the United States. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.RES.72: Text of Legislation

36. The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
http://uscode.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001101----000-.html

37. Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: January 2009
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2009.pdf

38. "The Pew Hispanic Center study from February 2009 found that even though Hispanics make up 13 percent of the adult population, they accounted for 40 percent of sentenced federal offenders in 2007." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/border-states-dealing-illegal-immigrant-crime-data-suggests/

39. Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement, the cost of amnesty: $999 billion. The cost of attrition by enforcement: as little as $14 billion. Amnesty would cost up to 70 times as much as enforcing existing law. Source: The Heritage Foundation
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/amnesty-costs-10-times-more-than-enforcement.html

40. A collection of newspaper stories of crimes committed by illegal aliens gathered by a group of patriots.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/illegal-immigration/549214-illegal-alien-crime-wave-thread-59.html

41. Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration.
http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/azcosts2.pdf?docID=101

42. Phoenix, Az. has become the kidnapping capital of the United States, because of illegal immigration and human smuggling, according to the head of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association.
http://www.kpho.com/news/16706369/detail.html

43. If current trends continue, the population of the United States will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and 82% of the increase will be due to immigrants. The non-Hispanic white population will increase more slowly than other racial and ethnic groups; whites will become a minority (47%) by 2050.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/85.pdf

44. In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003. http://www.amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html

45. "For most lawmakers, DWI stands for “driving while intoxicated.” For Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), DWI stands for “driving while illegal. He also said, that illegal immigrants were intentionally causing car accidents along state freeways."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/20/2010-04-20_john_mccain_illegal_immigrants_are_intentionally_causing_car_accidents.html

46. Crossing of Border Threaten preserve, By Mary Jo Pitzl, The Arizona Republic, October 16, 2004 (On illegal alien crossing) "which imperils the habitat for the more than 300 species of animals and the nearly 400 plant types within the refuge."
http://www.desertinvasion.us/articles/articles2004_july_dec.html

47. The twenty-four border counties along the line with Mexico are home to some of the largest undeclared garbage dumps in the United States. Millions of illegal aliens have left thousands of tons in trash behind scattered across the deserts and mountains of New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and California.
http://www.examiner.com/x-17495-San-Diego-Immigration-Policy-Examiner~y2009m9d8-Illegal-Immigration-continues-Environment-loses

48. The illegal aliens are endangering both rare wildlife and plant species as well as the pristine lands of the southwestern United States with the thousands of vehicles and tons of garbage they abandon.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104158

49. Arizona Senate Bill 1070 - Read the Bill Online
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/sb1070_bill_text_2010
Senate Bill 1070 Fact Sheet
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/sb1070_fact_sheet_2010

50. If you hire illegal aliens you could be charged with, conspiring to defraud the United States, harboring illegal aliens for profit, and evading payment of federal employment taxes. Failing to collect and pay federal income, Social Security, Medicare, and federal employment taxes on the wages paid to its workforce. You will criminally abuse our immigration system and our tax laws for the purpose of financial gain. For more info, visit US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. To report suspicious activity, call 1-866-347-2423.
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/071107grandrapids.htm

51. Drug-resistant tuberculosis was introduced to the United States in 1993. The disease was more likely to be in persons who were foreign born. TB presents a global threat and a challenge to TB-control activities in the United States.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5611a3.htm

52. IMO, "Roconquista" is a movement to reclaim land, Ron Gochez a Reconquista activist and Santee High School teacher in California explains it perfectly. Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iybaDyMr1rs


53. A National Highway Traffic Safety Administration study found that Hispanics, particularly recent immigrants, are often distrustful of police and government agencies
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20060622/NEWS/606220415

54. "Estimate for Deporting Illegal Immigrants: $94 Billion", the number was arrived at by multiplying 12 million illegal aliens by the average cost of detaining people for a day: $97. That was multiplied by detention time: 32 days. They also added transportation cost of $ 1,000. per person.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/estimate-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants-94-billion/?hp
OR
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/12/deportation.cost/index.html

55. It cost $5.8 billion for years 2001 - 2004 to incarcerate criminal aliens this was a 15 % increase, most inmates were from Mexico. The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years—about 27 percent.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

56. A study of 55,322 illegal aliens, found: They were arrested a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. 12 % were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. 80% of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html

57. Listen to the Senators on the Senate floor. You can do other things on your computer while you're listening. On C-Span2 at C-Span.org OR
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

58. IMO, in recent days the illegal aliens have marched carrying their protest signs, here are a few. You'll begin to see their logic and what they think about America.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-best-anti-arizona-protest-signs

59. Mexican drug smugglers tied to California wild fire. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57G4SB20090818?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+reuters%252FtopNews+%2528News+%252F+US+%252F+Top+News%2529

60. A report shows 75% of illegal aliens have less than a 6th grade education. Over 71% have children. 30% admit of using forged social security cards, and half of them have done so, for more than 5 years.
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/three-one/sandiego.pdf


61. “1 illegal arrested, 3 sought in beheading in Chandler, Arizona” The Arizona Republic Newspaper, 10/12/10
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/10/12/20101012beheaded1012.html

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In my opinion, what other laws are illegal aliens violating? Tax laws, Environmental laws, vagrancy laws, animal cruelty, poaching, squatting... Everyone put your Beanie Caps on tight it's going to be a bumpy ride!

IMO, illegal aliens in America are guilty of bio-terrorism, agro-terrorism, fraud, tax evasion, murder, identity theft, larceny, rape, gang bangers, vagrants, diseased, violence, pedophiles, pyromaniacs, auto theft, drunk drivers, kidnapping, saboteurs, and their an exception to the rules. How Much More Can We Stand?

IMO, I think we Americans need to form organizations nationwide and advertise Free Safe Passage and $100.00 on air conditioned buses, for any illegal alien that wants to return to their country of origin. "A-Free-Get-Out-Town-Free-Card, so, to speak.

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[saved]

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

I agree that employers should be held responsible IF they knowingly hire these people, but there needs to be some serious consequences for the illegal for coming here.
For their first offence they need to get a mandatory 5 years prison term without parole or good time requiring them to work for their keep as well as any costs to deport them. Thye can farm and raise food for the prison system, as well as other jobs. Then after their sentence is done deport them to their home country. if their home country will not take them or some other country they remain in prison for life is need be.
Once deported and they return they get 10 years and if it happens a third time they get life without parole no exceptions in any case. Do this and the illegal problem is over.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

You have a part of the solution. Poverty in the USA is preferable to poverty in Mexico. Illegals will give birth to birthright citizens, as they all along, and those children are eligible for government assistance.

 

[AquaAthena]

A long fence with the National Guard patrolling and permission to follow the rule of law, pre-Obama.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A long fence with the National Guard patrolling and permission to follow the rule of law, pre-Obama.

Pre-Reagan!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

Although its efficacy is problematic, this is a refreshingly Constitutional and appropriate proposal.

The following, OTOH, are un-Constitutional, or illegal, or otherwise idiotic:

The longer we wait the worse the problem will get.

Once we get the border closed and guarded then start rounding up the illegal aliens that are in the country illegally. As we catch them put them in the REX84 Concentration Camps that the federal government already has up and running. Fill a plane or bus up and ship them out. Allow the illegal aliens to take their children with them. Make birthright citizenship illegal. When we have the borders and ports closed and secured then start deporting the criminal illegal aliens in our jails and prisons.

I agree that employers should be held responsible IF they knowingly hire these people, but there needs to be some serious consequences for the illegal for coming here.
For their first offence they need to get a mandatory 5 years prison term without parole or good time requiring them to work for their keep as well as any costs to deport them. Thye can farm and raise food for the prison system, as well as other jobs. Then after their sentence is done deport them to their home country. if their home country will not take them or some other country they remain in prison for life is need be.
Once deported and they return they get 10 years and if it happens a third time they get life without parole no exceptions in any case. Do this and the illegal problem is over.

A long fence with the National Guard patrolling and permission to follow the rule of law, pre-Obama.

 

[DiAnna]

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

I agree with this on the whole, but border security just isn't a joke. We really must secure our borders, and we do have the means to do it. Politicians just don't have a will to do it. The liberals want the hispanic vote, and the conservatives want the corporate dollars, so in essence congress has been bribed to turn its back on federal immigration laws, and refuse to enforce them.

Until there is enough pressure on congress to do what it's been sworn to do, enforce our nations laws and allocate adequate funding to do so, nothing will change... until an uninspected truck loaded with fertilizer and diesel tools across the border and turns a city block into rubble.

 

[JoeB131]

I agree that employers should be held responsible IF they knowingly hire these people, but there needs to be some serious consequences for the illegal for coming here.
For their first offence they need to get a mandatory 5 years prison term without parole or good time requiring them to work for their keep as well as any costs to deport them. Thye can farm and raise food for the prison system, as well as other jobs. Then after their sentence is done deport them to their home country. if their home country will not take them or some other country they remain in prison for life is need be.
Once deported and they return they get 10 years and if it happens a third time they get life without parole no exceptions in any case. Do this and the illegal problem is over.

I see a few problems with this.

First, our prison system is so overburdened now that we are letting murderers out early. You want to lock a guy up for five years for cleaning toliets? That seems a bit--harsh.

Second, it doesn't address the problem. Even life in an American prison is preferable to life in a Mexican slum. You get three hots and a cot, running water, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

A long fence with the National Guard patrolling and permission to follow the rule of law, pre-Obama.

Pre-Reagan!

Good point, in that Simpson-Mazzoli (the 1987 Amnesty law) put the emphasis on enforcing immigration rules on employers.

This was slightly less successful than the Watweryu-Thinkin Act that required the foxes to watch the Henhouse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And was not followed up with a secure border policy.

 

[Monnagonna]

Just shoot to kill, that'll stop the beaners from coming over here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone illegally crossing who is carrying a weapon should be shot, I agree. And that means gunrunners going south, too.

 

[Monnagonna]

Either shoot all the beaners or send them to Alaska, either one works for me.

 

[GHook93]

You are half right. First we need to take away the incentives. (1) Employment (everify is a perfect start), (2) Entitlements (welfare, food stamps and section 8), (3) Free education, (4) Free healthcare and (5) Birthright Citizenship MUST be done away with.

But sealing the border is a must also. Ending the above items won't stop drug runners, human smugglers of sex slaves, terrorist, gangsters etc. A true barrier will. First a real wall that is hard (of course not impossible to climb). The one in San Diego works. Then have virtual wall. One with cameras, motion detectors etc. Third, have enough people manning the border. Lastly in very remote areas that are hard to monitor, have well marked and fenced off mine fields!

Then deport all criminal illegal immigrant (that just sounds wrong). Drunk Drives, say Jose. Drug deal or USING, back to Mexico Paco. Stealing, back to the old country Pablo. So on and so forth!

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

 

[Monnagonna]

GHook, if you send them back to Mexico they'll just come back, we should just shoot them on sight as they come across the border. I'm sure we'd have no problemo lining up volunteers. I know all my friends would go.

 

[José]

Your friends are into those macho shits when they deal with unarmed, peaceful immigrants.

They'd go into a shaking frenzy and shit all over themselves at the sight of a single Mara Salvatrucha gang member.

 

[Patrick2]

The way we go after illegal immigration is misguided. We think we can seal off the border and go after the illegals themselves, but it's pretty much like stacking marbles.

Any activity can only be discouraged if the consequences outweigh the gains. The worst we can truly do to an illegal is send him back to where he came from and let him try it again. He's got very little to lose by trying. We aren't going to do deadly force and we aren't going to do harsher punishments. We're better than that.

Fences are equally pointless. I recently watched an episode of "Penn and Teller's B.S." where they hired six illegals at a home depot to build a fence just like the one being proposed. It took them most of the day to do it, but they did. Then they told them to break into three teams to get through the fence. Two dug under, two climbed over and two cut their way through. THey were all through in less than 2 minutes. "You think they've done this before?" Penn Gillette joked.

I suggest a more practical solution. Treat ICE like OSHA. Put the emphasis on the employers to ensure they aren't hiring illegal. Impose fines when they are caught in violation- heavy ones - and monitor the repeat offenders. After a certain point, the cost of fines will exceed whatever the cost is hiring illegals on the cheap. Pay $10,000 to ICE for an illegal, or spend $200 on a proper background check, which you should have done in the first place.

You correctly see that fences aren't the solution, although a "high-tech" fence, one based more on sensors than barriers, and using computers to effectively deploy limited enforcement resources, might be useful.

The correct solution is as you say going after the employers. No job, no illegals. The problem there is that the 1986 amnesty law signed by Reagan initially had an "affirmative duty" clause that made it specifically the employer's responsibility to determine if they were hiring an illegal, but it was taken out - needs to be put back in. Further, the penalties need to be MUCH bigger than you suggest, and commensurate with the great harm the illegals do to this country. I suggest a $100,000 fine and six months in jail for anyone knowingly hiring an illegal, and successively bigger penalties for repeated offenses.

 

[keee keee]

very easy solution cost nothing!!! Pass a law with a date let say Jan 1st 2012. that all illegal aleins, any color, any flavor, and from any country, that all must be gone from the United states by that date. after that date all will be rounded up and deported to the farthest part of their county of origin from the United States. All of their possesions will then become assets of the United States, which will then be auctioned off with the proceeds then being used to find more illegals and repeat this procedure untill all have been deported or leave by themselves to avoid loosing all of their possesions. They came here by themselves and they will leave by themselves if thay knew that they would loose their stuff. bIf you also gave any one reporting an illegal a 100.00 bounty that would speed up the process even more quickly!!!!