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When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
how sad......I'm a pro choice Presbyterian .How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
What does it matter if the divine birth happened to a guy down the street from Jesus?how sad......I'm a pro choice Presbyterian .How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
I'm sorry....the fact that the law denies the unborn their constitutional rights does not change biology......living is not defined by the constitution but by science.......human is determined by DNA not by the Bill of Rights......dumbfuckWhen you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
you misunderstand....its sad that God sacrificed himself for your sins and your response is to kill children......I just think it really sucks that you pretend to yourself that its all right......What does it matter if the divine birth happened to a guy down the street from Jesus?how sad......I'm a pro choice Presbyterian .How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
This was divine intervention, and God would not have been stopped in putting his son where he needed him. Mortal men performing abortions is NOTHING next to the power of God.
Nonsense.Pro choice Christian is sort of an oxymoron
Nonsense.Pro choice Christian is sort of an oxymoron
Christians can respect the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law while at the same time opposing abortion – in fact, millions of American Christians do exactly that; and they're just as devout and proper in their faith as Christians who seek to 'ban' abortion in violation of a woman's right to privacy.
Indeed, the genius of privacy rights jurisprudence allows each American – including Christians – to decide the matter for themselves of their own free will, in good conscience and in good faith, absent unwarranted interference from the state.
When I say "the people" I'm not referring to the freaking Pharisees. Stop being a bore.not the ones that wanted him killed.......No, the people believed he was the Messiah.you have that upside down......they believed he was NOT the MessiahHe was killed not because he actually committed heresy...he didn't....but because the people BELIEVED he was the Messiah.
Yes, you are sorry.I'm sorry....the fact that the law denies the unborn their constitutional rights does not change biology......living is not defined by the constitution but by science.......human is determined by DNA not by the Bill of Rights......dumbfuckWhen you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
Nor do they support flesh peddling, human trafficking, prostitution, rape, incest, child sexual assault or extramarital sex.Nonsense.Pro choice Christian is sort of an oxymoron
Christians can respect the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law while at the same time opposing abortion – in fact, millions of American Christians do exactly that; and they're just as devout and proper in their faith as Christians who seek to 'ban' abortion in violation of a woman's right to privacy.
Indeed, the genius of privacy rights jurisprudence allows each American – including Christians – to decide the matter for themselves of their own free will, in good conscience and in good faith, absent unwarranted interference from the state.
Christians don't support the murder of the most innocent of all.
But it is alright.you misunderstand....its sad that God sacrificed himself for your sins and your response is to kill children......I just think it really sucks that you pretend to yourself that its all right......What does it matter if the divine birth happened to a guy down the street from Jesus?how sad......I'm a pro choice Presbyterian .How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
This was divine intervention, and God would not have been stopped in putting his son where he needed him. Mortal men performing abortions is NOTHING next to the power of God.
Rational capacity in striking a woman? Unless he was having seizure and stuck her accidentally or was bi-polar and not in control of his own behavior, there is not rational excuse for striking a woman.
So you mean when my ex-girlfriend attacked me with a 12" chef's knife and tried to aggressively stick it into my chest I should't have smacked her?
Did you do something to deserve it?
Disarm her, restrain her, lock yourself in another room (or her), call police, exit the location.......... There are choices.
There is a difference between self defense and abuse or just striking another person.
You can go to jail for striking a person, even in self defense or defense of another.
Sorry, man. Been there and done that. You can stand there and die if you want to avoid hitting a woman....I'm taking the bitch out. 
When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
Sorry for butting in...but I know the answer to this one.When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
I see you avoided my question yet again. You don't have an answer is the reason why. If a fetus is not a human life legally, why do you get charged with two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?
Answer the damn question...or at least have the balls to say "I don't have an answer to that"
obviously it means they think at least a person who wants to ought to do it.....not a good starting point.....It does seem to be a contradiction huh? The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do.
It I about woman controlling their own body and deciding what is best for them. It is about options and freedom. It is about empowerment instead of slavery. It is about physical and mental health. It is about a woman/girl being grown enough to carry and birth a child. It is about not being tied to a rapist for life.
no.....its about killing a living human being......that can never be a good thing......
You already said that.No, it doesn't.CClaytonJones:
To oppose 'banning' abortion does not mean one 'supports' the practice.
Yes, it does. Anyone, especially someone who claims to be a Christian, who is not actively opposing abortion is supporting abortion. Millions of innocent lives have been snuffed out since Roe v. Wade was unconstitutionally made "law of the land" by the SCOTUS.
Your blather about about "privacy" and the Constitution giving someone the "right" to kill their unborn child is about as far from the will of God and the example of Christ as one can get.
Again, it's perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion as a matter of subjective personal opinion or subjective religious belief while also respecting a woman's right to privacy, respecting the Constitution and its case law, and acknowledging the fact that the state has no authority to compel a woman to give birth against her will.
Subjective, personal religious beliefs and facts of law are two completely separate issues, one having nothing to do with the other – attempting to conflate the two fails as a false comparison fallacy.
Sorry for butting in...but I know the answer to this one.When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
I see you avoided my question yet again. You don't have an answer is the reason why. If a fetus is not a human life legally, why do you get charged with two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?
Answer the damn question...or at least have the balls to say "I don't have an answer to that"
Of course it's often lost on those who reject the concept of "pro choice"
The way it is now, which is the way I, and many others, want it.......
It's up to the mother to abort a fetus before it has a cerebral cortex, and therefore incapable of comprehension, feelings, memories, or sensations...if she choses not to do that, that little sucker is money in the bank!
Personhood should only be legally granted by the mother during the first and second trimesters. And that should be enforced by law.....which it is, thank God
what I say is shocking.you misunderstand....its sad that God sacrificed himself for your sins and your response is to kill children......I just think it really sucks that you pretend to yourself that its all right......What does it matter if the divine birth happened to a guy down the street from Jesus?how sad......I'm a pro choice Presbyterian .How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
This was divine intervention, and God would not have been stopped in putting his son where he needed him. Mortal men performing abortions is NOTHING next to the power of God.
One can be pro choice and aligned with God's will, all at the same time. Most scripture used to spport the pro life position requires the employment of gross generalizations to string the support together for them.
Sorry for butting in...but I know the answer to this one.When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
I see you avoided my question yet again. You don't have an answer is the reason why. If a fetus is not a human life legally, why do you get charged with two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?
Answer the damn question...or at least have the balls to say "I don't have an answer to that"
Of course it's often lost on those who reject the concept of "pro choice"
The way it is now, which is the way I, and many others, want it.......
It's up to the mother to abort a fetus before it has a cerebral cortex, and therefore incapable of comprehension, feelings, memories, or sensations...if she choses not to do that, that little sucker is money in the bank!
Personhood should only be legally granted by the mother during the first and second trimesters. And that should be enforced by law.....which it is, thank God
Are you saying that if a person kills a woman who is pregnant before the fetus has developed a cerebral cortex there would not be a double murder charge?
When you learn settled and accepted facts of Constitutional law, you'll find out that an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to 5th and 14th Amendment protections, where the protected liberty of the woman is paramount...until then you are allowed to be ignorant.when you learn some high school level biology you will find out it is both alive and human......until then you are allowed to be ignorant........when outside the womb breathing and eating on its own, you can call it a living human.
I see you avoided my question yet again. You don't have an answer is the reason why. If a fetus is not a human life legally, why do you get charged with two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman?
Answer the damn question...or at least have the balls to say "I don't have an answer to that"
