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How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
There is no such animal as a prochoice "Christian". There are TARES within the church that claim to be Christian who's seeds were sown by the Evil One.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
It does seem to be a contradiction huh? The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do. It simply means one recognizes the freedom of choice. Guess what? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to choose. I am pro-choice and a Christian because I want the world to freely choose to make abortions a thing of the past instead of it being forced upon the world.
See...here's the deal. Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening. If that were the case there would be no rape, no murder, no child abuse...nothing. All it does is punish those who do it. So if we make abortion illegal will it stop abortion? About as much as DUI laws stop drunk driving. So it's a fool's errand. The only way to end abortion is for society to evolve to the point where we freely choose other options. That's the freedom God gave us and that's the only way it will work.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control.
The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do. It simply means one recognizes the freedom of choice. Guess what? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to choose. I am pro-choice and a Christian because I want the world to freely choose to make abortions a thing of the past instead of it being forced upon the world.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
Seems to me if my memory serves me correctly, that Paul was vetted and totally accepted by the apostles themselves and proclaimed himself that he taught the gospel of Christ.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
Seems to me if my memory serves me correctly, that Paul was vetted and totally accepted by the apostles themselves and proclaimed himself that he taught the gospel of Christ.
Not quite, there was a great deal of dispute. Paul promised to teach certain things and then went back on his way and did what he wanted. He taught to the romans and stayed way from the jews and asia.
Luke was a companion of Paul and got her version of the stories of Jesus from Paul, who never met the real Jesus in life. Luke knew nothing of Jesus that was not fed to him by Paul, which is why the gospels don't all tell the same story.
There had been some 250 gospels, acts and other text but the roman Constantine had he bishops pare it down to those most favorable to his new acceptance of the faith. If he did not approve, the books were not made until he was satisfied. It was a struggle, as was the divinity of Jesus.
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
Seems to me if my memory serves me correctly, that Paul was vetted and totally accepted by the apostles themselves and proclaimed himself that he taught the gospel of Christ.
Not quite, there was a great deal of dispute. Paul promised to teach certain things and then went back on his way and did what he wanted. He taught to the romans and stayed way from the jews and asia.
Luke was a companion of Paul and got her version of the stories of Jesus from Paul, who never met the real Jesus in life. Luke knew nothing of Jesus that was not fed to him by Paul, which is why the gospels don't all tell the same story.
There had been some 250 gospels, acts and other text but the roman Constantine had he bishops pare it down to those most favorable to his new acceptance of the faith. If he did not approve, the books were not made until he was satisfied. It was a struggle, as was the divinity of Jesus.
The lawyers wouldn't allow us to do that!The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do. It simply means one recognizes the freedom of choice. Guess what? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to choose. I am pro-choice and a Christian because I want the world to freely choose to make abortions a thing of the past instead of it being forced upon the world.
According to that logic, why shouldn't we abolish all laws and just hope that people will decide to do the right thing?
Pro-choice is pro-abortion.How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
It does seem to be a contradiction huh? The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do. It simply means one recognizes the freedom of choice. Guess what? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to choose. I am pro-choice and a Christian because I want the world to freely choose to make abortions a thing of the past instead of it being forced upon the world.
See...here's the deal. Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening. If that were the case there would be no rape, no murder, no child abuse...nothing. All it does is punish those who do it. So if we make abortion illegal will it stop abortion? About as much as DUI laws stop drunk driving. So it's a fool's errand. The only way to end abortion is for society to evolve to the point where we freely choose other options. That's the freedom God gave us and that's the only way it will work.
Pro choice Christian is sort of an oxymoron
We end abortions by sending the doctors to jail.How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
It does seem to be a contradiction huh? The first thing to realize is that being "pro-choice" does not mean one thinks abortion is the right thing to do. It simply means one recognizes the freedom of choice. Guess what? God gave us free will. He gave us the freedom to choose. I am pro-choice and a Christian because I want the world to freely choose to make abortions a thing of the past instead of it being forced upon the world.
See...here's the deal. Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening. If that were the case there would be no rape, no murder, no child abuse...nothing. All it does is punish those who do it. So if we make abortion illegal will it stop abortion? About as much as DUI laws stop drunk driving. So it's a fool's errand. The only way to end abortion is for society to evolve to the point where we freely choose other options. That's the freedom God gave us and that's the only way it will work.
Abortion and birth control did not exist from the beginning of time nor 2,000 plus a years ago after Christ came.
Gays/lesbians did exist during the time of Sodom, but this practice as well as other depraved and immoral things, is why God destroyed the earth with a flood. Those extrodinary sins don't make them acceptable to God and He can't tolerate them.
Jesus didn't like the Pharisees not because they lived under the law, but because they were doing bad things in the name of religion, like being money changers and ripping off people inside the church. The only thing you were partially correct is that Jesus IS about love, forgiveness, and hate. However, He didn't condone lawlessness and sin, and was vocal about it which is mostly why the Pharsees didn't like him, but they actually killed him because he simply stated He was the Son of God.
Paul lived with Jesus and as such he merely told what Jesus was like because few (11 others) had the opportunity since no mass media existed in those days. Paul's intention was to spread the Word and instruct others how they should live according to Jesus.
YOU don't know the Bible whatsoever. Learn!!! Why don't you!
How are you able to reconcile the legitimacy of elective abortion with the conception and birth of Jesus? Should Mary have had the right to terminate her pregnancy? How about Elizabeth, within whom John the Baptist stirred when she met Mary? Would terminating that pregnancy also have been all right with you?
I would appreciate an explanation of this seeming contradiction of viewpoints.
If Joseph had not accepted her, she would have been stoned to death, as would the baby.
Abortion is permitted in the bible as is birth control. Christianity is pro-choice, but to often it is the clergy that translate the bible instead of actually understanding the stories. Gays exist in the bible as well, both men and women.
Jesus was against pharisees, those that live only by the letter and not the spirit of the text. He was about love and forgiveness, not judgment, exclusion and hate.
Why do so many christian not know their own bible?
Too much Paul and not enough Jesus in their thinking. If they want to be Paulinites, then let they say that. If they want to be followers of Jesus, then let them decide that and accept the idea of loving all people, as they are.
The Pope is visiting now and he has said to forgive abortions. We all wish that children brought into the world should be loved and cared for. Sometimes fate, age, rape and health make caring for a child the wrong time. We have the right to choose. To choose and still be loved and accepted.
Jesus loved those who otherwise would be rejected by society, why can't christians follow in his foot steps? Why do so many choose to reject others?
You have a very F'dU view of things and a weird understanding of the Bible. First, Joseph and Mary were married. Not all babies came nine months after the marriage not unlike today nor throughout time. My kids were born at seven months although we'd been married for years prior to conception. So, it's not a FACT that Mary and the baby would have been killed. Abortion and birth control did not exist from the beginning of time nor 2,000 plus a years ago after Christ came. Gays/lesbians did exist during the time of Sodom, but this practice as well as other depraved and immoral things, is why God destroyed the earth with a flood. Those extrodinary sins don't make them acceptable to God and He can't tolerate them. Jesus didn't like the Pharisees not because they lived under the law, but because they were doing bad things in the name of religion, like being money changers and ripping off people inside the church. The only thing you were partially correct is that Jesus IS about love, forgiveness, and hate. However, He didn't condone lawlessness and sin, and was vocal about it which is mostly why the Pharsees didn't like him, but they actually killed him because he simply stated He was the Son of God. Paul lived with Jesus and as such he merely told what Jesus was like because few (11 others) had the opportunity since no mass media existed in those days. Paul's intention was to spread the Word and instruct others how they should live according to Jesus. Who gives a shit what the pope thinks. He's is about as disconnected from God as a person can be. The pope has NO authority to forgive abortion nor sodomy. As far as abortion being okay because "it isn't the right time" to care for a child, doesn't make it right or acceptable to kill one of God's creation. Killing is right up there in the top of the Ten Commandments, and I'm thankful I don't have to suffer God's rath for that one. There WILL be judgement for that, it's a certainity. Lastly, the reason Christain people cannot accept the acts of others that continually commit heinous sins against God and His Son, it's called discuss disobedience, is because they find them repulsive and we are instructed in the Bible to separate ourselves from them. YOU don't know the Bible whatsoever. Learn!!! Why don't you!
