A perfect SAT score denied entrance to ivy league schools liberals trickle down stupid...,

[Onyx]

Being Asian increases your chances?? I'd like to see you back that statement up with some facts.

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Rocko]

Here are some cold hard facts for you uneducated morons. Asian Americans constitute 5% of the American population

Yale - 16.5% Asian

Stanford - 22% Asian

Princeton - 29% Asian

Are you getting the picture? The claim that he didn't get in due to his race is false, since Asians have the highest college acceptance rate in America.

You can't be this stupid to not see the fallacy in your thinking? What about all the Asians that didn't get in to Ivy League schools that were more qualified than blacks and whites that did get in?

 

[sakinago]

Being Asian increases your chances?? I'd like to see you back that statement up with some facts.

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia

Yea rocko is right on this one onyx, you can't post the numbers of Asians in these universities as a counterpoint to the lack discrimination.

 

[Flopper]

I think it would be hard from him to prove his case. Ivy league schools often use a Holistic Approach to admission. There procedures for selecting students goes well beyond just selection the students with the highest grades and test scores.

What?


So they are immuned from affirmative action?


Please tell us you are posting drunk as was not serious

Affirmative action can be laws or policies that grant special consideration to historically excluded groups such as racial minorities or women. For example, an institution may have very few Asians in the student body so the institution may create policies which attempt to achieve some racial balance goal.

Just because a person is black or Asian does not mean they are entitled to special treatment. That depends on the affirmative action policies of the school and the current student demographics.

Ivy league schools have developed policies which seek to create a diverse student body population in regard not to just sex and race but in ethnicity, and life experiences. So just because you have the highest SAT score in country does not mean you will be admitted.

A good example of application of this policy is Liz Murray who is notable for having been accepted by Harvard despite being homeless in her high school years. Murray was born in the Bornx to poor and drug-addicted parents, both of whom would later contract HIV. She became homeless just after she turned 15, when her mother died of AIDS. Despite her late high school start and living on the streets and homeless shelters, she graduated from high school in 2 years with good grades and a high SAT score but certainly not the near that of most Harvard applicants. Apparently the school made the right decision in accepting her as she graduated and eventually earned a doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology. Today she's inspirational speaker in schools and businesses across the country.

When people like Liz Murray or the kid from a Somali refugee camp, or others that have shown they have what the the university wants in their student body, they may displace others with higher grades and test course.

However, most likely Wang simply did not have some of what the school was looking for even though grades and test scores were tops.

So you're saying it's ok to negatively discriminate based on skin color.

A load question. You are making the assumption there was discrimination.

There is long and heavily documented discrimination. Asians have to out preform all other races, by a pretty wide margin, especially when compared to minorities. Is this ok?

If that is case, then of course it's not ok.

However, we are discussing the particular case of Mr Wong with top test scores being denied entrance. If the school criteria for admission was only his test scores, then he would have a very good case. However, if the school considers many other criteria in it's admission policy then maybe not.

The important questions go much further than Mr. Wong's race and test scores. To really form an opinion it would be necessary to know exactly what the university's admission policy is and how well did Mr. Wong meet it's criteria for administration.

 

[Flopper]

I think the problem a number of universities are having is they have admission procedures that attempt to give some balance racially to their student body and that balance is not realist. For example they may not have the number blacks they want and far too many Asians. Thus they deny Asians with really high qualification and admit blacks with pretty low qualifications. Many Ivy league schools are attempting to admit students with diverse backgrounds, older students, younger students, and students that have overcome great obstacles. This of course complicates the issue even further.

 

[Correll]

What?


So they are immuned from affirmative action?


Please tell us you are posting drunk as was not serious

Affirmative action can be laws or policies that grant special consideration to historically excluded groups such as racial minorities or women. For example, an institution may have very few Asians in the student body so the institution may create policies which attempt to achieve some racial balance goal.

Just because a person is black or Asian does not mean they are entitled to special treatment. That depends on the affirmative action policies of the school and the current student demographics.

Ivy league schools have developed policies which seek to create a diverse student body population in regard not to just sex and race but in ethnicity, and life experiences. So just because you have the highest SAT score in country does not mean you will be admitted.

A good example of application of this policy is Liz Murray who is notable for having been accepted by Harvard despite being homeless in her high school years. Murray was born in the Bornx to poor and drug-addicted parents, both of whom would later contract HIV. She became homeless just after she turned 15, when her mother died of AIDS. Despite her late high school start and living on the streets and homeless shelters, she graduated from high school in 2 years with good grades and a high SAT score but certainly not the near that of most Harvard applicants. Apparently the school made the right decision in accepting her as she graduated and eventually earned a doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology. Today she's inspirational speaker in schools and businesses across the country.

When people like Liz Murray or the kid from a Somali refugee camp, or others that have shown they have what the the university wants in their student body, they may displace others with higher grades and test course.

However, most likely Wang simply did not have some of what the school was looking for even though grades and test scores were tops.

So you're saying it's ok to negatively discriminate based on skin color.

A load question. You are making the assumption there was discrimination.

There is long and heavily documented discrimination. Asians have to out preform all other races, by a pretty wide margin, especially when compared to minorities. Is this ok?

If that is case, then of course it's not ok.

However, we are discussing the particular case of Mr Wong with top test scores being denied entrance. If the school criteria for admission was only his test scores, then he would have a very good case. However, if the school considers many other criteria in it's admission policy then maybe not.

The important questions go much further than Mr. Wong's race and test scores. To really form an opinion it would be necessary to know exactly what the university's admission policy is and how well did Mr. Wong meet it's criteria for administration.

Studies of admission stats have shown that these "other factors" translate into systemic discrimination against whites and asians and for blacks and hispanics.

 

[Theowl32]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

You read the story and you still think being Asian AMERICAN increased his chances?

Let's see how many negro people or people with 1/64 Native blood they accepted who scored lower.

 

[Theowl32]

The scary part and interesting part is the systematic rejection which screams collusion.

You may see one institution or two, but all of them?

Could anyone here imagine if this was one of those negro people? Holy shit.

As it is, those negro fight for standards being lowered in order to get more of those negro people accepted.

No, they are not embarrassed by demanding that. What a complete and thorough disaster.

 

[Flopper]

Affirmative action can be laws or policies that grant special consideration to historically excluded groups such as racial minorities or women. For example, an institution may have very few Asians in the student body so the institution may create policies which attempt to achieve some racial balance goal.

Just because a person is black or Asian does not mean they are entitled to special treatment. That depends on the affirmative action policies of the school and the current student demographics.

Ivy league schools have developed policies which seek to create a diverse student body population in regard not to just sex and race but in ethnicity, and life experiences. So just because you have the highest SAT score in country does not mean you will be admitted.

A good example of application of this policy is Liz Murray who is notable for having been accepted by Harvard despite being homeless in her high school years. Murray was born in the Bornx to poor and drug-addicted parents, both of whom would later contract HIV. She became homeless just after she turned 15, when her mother died of AIDS. Despite her late high school start and living on the streets and homeless shelters, she graduated from high school in 2 years with good grades and a high SAT score but certainly not the near that of most Harvard applicants. Apparently the school made the right decision in accepting her as she graduated and eventually earned a doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology. Today she's inspirational speaker in schools and businesses across the country.

When people like Liz Murray or the kid from a Somali refugee camp, or others that have shown they have what the the university wants in their student body, they may displace others with higher grades and test course.

However, most likely Wang simply did not have some of what the school was looking for even though grades and test scores were tops.

So you're saying it's ok to negatively discriminate based on skin color.

A load question. You are making the assumption there was discrimination.

There is long and heavily documented discrimination. Asians have to out preform all other races, by a pretty wide margin, especially when compared to minorities. Is this ok?

If that is case, then of course it's not ok.

However, we are discussing the particular case of Mr Wong with top test scores being denied entrance. If the school criteria for admission was only his test scores, then he would have a very good case. However, if the school considers many other criteria in it's admission policy then maybe not.

The important questions go much further than Mr. Wong's race and test scores. To really form an opinion it would be necessary to know exactly what the university's admission policy is and how well did Mr. Wong meet it's criteria for administration.

Studies of admission stats have shown that these "other factors" translate into systemic discrimination against whites and asians and for blacks and hispanics.

Studies of admission stats have also shown that while affirmative action increases the probability of minority admissions, that increase is not very much. In Goodwin Liu's book, "The Myth and the Math of Affirmative Action", Liu shows that the outrage that has swept America over Affirmative Action is not justified. While racists groups sport claims of reverse racism and minorities filling universities at the expense whites, the facts to support those claims are not there.

One study showed the likelihood of rejection due to quotes was less 1%. In William Bowen and Derek Bok's book, "The Shape of the River," showed that eliminating racial preferences would have increased the likelihood of admission for white undergraduate applicants from 25 percent to only 26.5 percent. These and other studies show that rejected white applicants have every reason not to blame their misfortune on affirmative action. In selective admissions, the competition is so intense that even without affirmative action, the overwhelming majority of rejected white applicants still wouldn't get in.

The bottom line is that affirmative action is unfair to the majority, but not that much. The question for colleges and universities is whether a more diverse student body justifies a policy that is clearly unfair to the majority.

 

[Borillar]

Of course. Here in America, we're far more concerned with skin color than with character, intelligence and effort. That's a given.

He probably didn't get accepted because there are a million other overachieving sycophants with perfect ACT scores. Claiming that race was the reason he didn't get accepted into the most prestigious schools in America just shows how much of an arrogant elitist loser he is.

"There are a million other overachieving sycophants with perfect ACT scores"

Wow.

And there it is gang. You didn't build that, you didn't earn that, you don't deserve that.

America, 2017.
.

They probably had to keep room for politically connected rich legacy idiots like George W Bush.

 

[WillowTree]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

 

[sakinago]

I think the problem a number of universities are having is they have admission procedures that attempt to give some balance racially to their student body and that balance is not realist. For example they may not have the number blacks they want and far too many Asians. Thus they deny Asians with really high qualification and admit blacks with pretty low qualifications. Many Ivy league schools are attempting to admit students with diverse backgrounds, older students, younger students, and students that have overcome great obstacles. This of course complicates the issue even further.

And it causes discrimination. Which is what happens when making anti-discrimination laws that by nature discriminate. This obviously continues discrimination. The obvious better solution is to make an anti-discrimination law that's based on a blindness to race, age, religion, gender, sexuality, and name. You want to fight discrimination, that's the way to do it.

 

[charwin95]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

Very good question. With that kind of impeccable credentials some do get recruited. but rejected 6 out of 7 is very surprising. Something's wong with mr. wong.
You can have a perfect scores, high IQ, book smart and intellectually very smart ---------- but if a person is a socially, chemically and clinically idiot doesn't mean anything where ever you go in life.

 

[Wyatt earp]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

Very good question. With that kind of impeccable credentials some do get recruited. but rejected 6 out of 7 is very surprising. Something's wong with mr. wong.
You can have a perfect scores, high IQ, book smart and intellectually very smart ---------- but if a person is a socially, chemically and clinically idiot doesn't mean anything where ever you go in life.

We are talking school , not a job.

Wow I almost posted we don't have affirmative action in the work force, then I remembered Jesse Jackson and his kid who is know in prison. When he got him Budweiser distribution place in Chicago

 

[LeftofLeft]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Liar.....





.

He should re-apply and say that he is 1/32 Native American.

 

[charwin95]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

Very good question. With that kind of impeccable credentials some do get recruited. but rejected 6 out of 7 is very surprising. Something's wong with mr. wong.
You can have a perfect scores, high IQ, book smart and intellectually very smart ---------- but if a person is a socially, chemically and clinically idiot doesn't mean anything where ever you go in life.

We are talking school , not a job.

Wow I almost posted we don't have affirmative action in the work force, then I remembered Jesse Jackson and his kid who is know in prison. When he got him Budweiser distribution place in Chicago

How many times had we heard straight A student get into something stupid then get him/herself into trouble or get killed?
As far as I know some of these kids with that kind of credentials do get recruited. A good example of that is Bill Gates scholarship program. My god son works for BG scholarship foundation called GMSP ( gates millennium scholars program) and his job is to recruit gifted kids. According to him not all gifted kids are accepted after several interviews and other screenings.
It's really hard to believe how he get himself rejected 6 out of 7.

 

[Flopper]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

Simply stated, there is additional criteria that all colleges use in building it's student body. For example, there is strength of the applicant's curriculum which carries more weight with most schools than test scores.

Then there is extracurricular activity and the commitment the applicant has shown, demonstrated leadership ability, essays, and letters of recommendation.

And lastly, the school's affirmative action plan is used. An affirmative action plan gives preference to a minority candidate but it should be acted upon only when such a candidate has the same or similar qualifications as other candidates. So a student with a perfect ACT score with top grades would never be discarded from consideration due to the an affirmative action plan unless all applicants were similarly qualified. There would most likely be other criteria that disqualified the student.

The Supreme Court has ruled that no state is required to consider affirmative action in it's admission policy. There are 8 states that have done this. However, this does create a problem. Colleges are still subject to civil rights legislation and can be brought to court by any applicant that believes the law is being violated in considering his admission. A school that has an affirmative action plan and can show that it's following it's plan is far better able to defend itself in court. This is one of the reasons why most states still use affirmative action plans.

 

[WillowTree]

With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Being Asian actually increases your chances of being accepted into an American university due to affirmative action policies.

It sounds like this entitled try hard is just butthurt that he didn't get accepted, and is trying trying to offload accountability by playing the race card.

Well, you can't know that can yew? The question is with perfect scores, why he was not accepted. Were others with lesser scores accepted?

Simply stated, there is additional criteria that all colleges use in building it's student body. For example, there is strength of the applicant's curriculum which carries more weight with most schools than test scores.

Then there is extracurricular activity and the commitment the applicant has shown, demonstrated leadership ability, essays, and letters of recommendation.

And lastly, the school's affirmative action plan is used. An affirmative action plan gives preference to a minority candidate but it should be acted upon only when such a candidate has the same or similar qualifications as other candidates. So a student with a perfect ACT score with top grades would never be discarded from consideration due to the an affirmative action plan unless all applicants were similarly qualified. There would most likely be other criteria that disqualified the student.

The Supreme Court has ruled that no state is required to consider affirmative action in it's admission policy. There are 8 states that have done this. However, this does create a problem. Colleges are still subject to civil rights legislation and can be brought to court by any applicant that believes the law is being violated in considering his admission. A school that has an affirmative action plan and can show that it's following it's plan is far better able to defend itself in court. This is one of the reasons why most states still use affirmative action plans.

So the applicants has issues above and beyond his perfect grades? You libtards are so damn smart.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

More stupidly by liberals once again...



A perfect ACT score couldn't get this student into Yale, Princeton, or Stanford, and he says it's because he's Asian-American



With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Wang says he worked incredibly hard and excelled in every area possible. But it still wasn't good enough.

"There was nothing humanly possible I could do," Wang told us, saying he felt utterly demoralized after his rejections.



Wang said that after he was rejected from most of the Ivies, he filed a complaint with the US Department of Education alleging that Yale, Stanford, and Princeton discriminated against him because he was Asian-American.

Wang isn't alone in his belief that the Ivies discriminate against Asians. A coalition of Asian-American groups filed a lawsuit against Harvard last month alleging the college and other Ivy League institutions use racial quotas to admit students to the detriment of more qualified Asian-American applicants. The more than 60 Asian groups are coming together to fight what they say are unfair admission practices.

Wang's credentials are impressive. Academically, he was ranked second overall in his class and graduated with a 4.67 weighted grade point average. He scored a 2230 on his SAT, placing him in the 99th percentile of students who took the exam.

He's wrong. The Ivy League schools are packed chock full of Asian and Indian students. Harvard is especially liberal for bringing in Asians and other minorities.

 

[Votto]

More stupidly by liberals once again...



A perfect ACT score couldn't get this student into Yale, Princeton, or Stanford, and he says it's because he's Asian-American



With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, Michael Wang applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013.

An Asian-American, Wang suspected his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he was rejected by Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

Wang says he worked incredibly hard and excelled in every area possible. But it still wasn't good enough.

"There was nothing humanly possible I could do," Wang told us, saying he felt utterly demoralized after his rejections.



Wang said that after he was rejected from most of the Ivies, he filed a complaint with the US Department of Education alleging that Yale, Stanford, and Princeton discriminated against him because he was Asian-American.

Wang isn't alone in his belief that the Ivies discriminate against Asians. A coalition of Asian-American groups filed a lawsuit against Harvard last month alleging the college and other Ivy League institutions use racial quotas to admit students to the detriment of more qualified Asian-American applicants. The more than 60 Asian groups are coming together to fight what they say are unfair admission practices.

Wang's credentials are impressive. Academically, he was ranked second overall in his class and graduated with a 4.67 weighted grade point average. He scored a 2230 on his SAT, placing him in the 99th percentile of students who took the exam.

That's nothing. Try finding a famous actor in Hollywood that is Asian.

You can't unless they are a stereotypical kung fu guy.

Progs hate Asians because they are resourceful and hard working. As such, they have no role to play in the welfare state.