A Big 'Uh Oh' For Warmists!

[Abraham3]

The argument is that man caused increased heat and is unproven, the argument is that we have warmed for 30 years now, a blatant lie we have seen no increase in 15 years. The increase we did see was minor.

The strawman is you claiming we are arguing something we are not.

AGW is accepted as valid by the vast majority of the world's climate scientists.

NOTHING is ever proven in the natural sciences. If you're waiting for proof, you'd best strap yourself to the floor so you don't float away when gravity fails.

We have seen an warming at a truly unprecedented rate for the last 150 years.

There was a greater warming hiatus between 1941 and 1979 than anything we've experienced lately and it did NOT mark the end of global warming.

You have no other mechanism that comes anywhere near to AGW's ability to explain the climate's behavior since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

Temperatures are STILL increasing but at a smaller rate. Check the data yourself.

Check the manipulated data? Show me the raw data unmanipulated by the cult of warming. Even your buddies admit that for 15 years there has been no warming. If as claimed CO2 caused the increase in the previous 15 years, why did it stop for the last 15 years?

Why did it get colder between 1941 and 1979? Natural variation!!!

 

[Abraham3]

Yes, you do and they do.

I'm terribly sorry, but no we do not. However, increased temperatures increase the intensity of our weather so the temperature increases we have experienced are responsible, to some degree, for the intensity of all our weather. It is ridiculous to say that global warming caused some specific storm, but it is equally ridiculous to say it had no part in its creation.

The weather hasn't gotten any worse.

You keep saying things that simply aren't true.

The weather is driven by the climate's thermal energy. Increasing temperatures provide more energy for weather events.

 

[Abraham3]

Noting of the the silly straw man argument aside, suggesting that any and every weather event is attributable to AGW is just plain old daffy.

It's not just weather. EVERYTHING is caused by AGW:

A complete list of things caused by global warming

A random sample:

... coral fish suffer, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink, coral reefs twilight, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, crabgrass menace, cradle of civilisation threatened, creatures move uphill, crime increase, crocodile sex, crocodiles driven from water, crops devastated, crop failures increase, cross-breeding, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cryptococcal disease, curriculum change, cyclones (Australia), damselflies forced back to UK, danger to kid's health, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, daylight increase, deadly virus outbreaks, death rate increase (US), death rate drop, deaths to reach 6 million, decades of progress at risk, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, depression...​

Not the crabgrass menace!!

And you try to criticize me for posting untruths.

 

[daveman]

The polar bears can't possibly be falling off their pitiful melting ice floes when it's freaking -40 in the US before winter even started unless you have faith in the church of the great and wondrous god of warming.

As I write, the temperature at the North Pole is 29.3F.

Link?

 

[daveman]

I'm terribly sorry, but no we do not. However, increased temperatures increase the intensity of our weather so the temperature increases we have experienced are responsible, to some degree, for the intensity of all our weather. It is ridiculous to say that global warming caused some specific storm, but it is equally ridiculous to say it had no part in its creation.

The weather hasn't gotten any worse.

You keep saying things that simply aren't true.

The weather is driven by the climate's thermal energy. Increasing temperatures provide more energy for weather events.

Again...temperatures aren't increasing.

 

[daveman]

Noting of the the silly straw man argument aside, suggesting that any and every weather event is attributable to AGW is just plain old daffy.

It's not just weather. EVERYTHING is caused by AGW:

A complete list of things caused by global warming

A random sample:

... coral fish suffer, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink, coral reefs twilight, cost of trillions, cougar attacks, crabgrass menace, cradle of civilisation threatened, creatures move uphill, crime increase, crocodile sex, crocodiles driven from water, crops devastated, crop failures increase, cross-breeding, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cryptococcal disease, curriculum change, cyclones (Australia), damselflies forced back to UK, danger to kid's health, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, daylight increase, deadly virus outbreaks, death rate increase (US), death rate drop, deaths to reach 6 million, decades of progress at risk, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, depression...​

Not the crabgrass menace!!

And you try to criticize me for posting untruths.

It's not me who's claiming global warming is doing all that, Skippy.

 

[Abraham3]

You don't believe global warming exists; the point is moot.

 

[daveman]

You don't believe global warming exists; the point is moot.

There's a distinction that's probably lost on you:

Climate changes. Very few people disagree with that idea.

But the AGW crowd has not proven their case. It's been shown they rely on shoddy science, distortion and fabrication of data, and models written so the produce the desired result.

If the science WAS on their side, they wouldn't have to do all that.

There has been no significant warming in 17 years. Weather events have not gotten more severe.

Yet you keep insisting otherwise.

 

[Abraham3]

The science has been good enough to convince 97% of climate scientists. That it hasn't convinced a Luddite like you is no surprise. Actually, I think it's a point in my favor.

 

[daveman]

The science has been good enough to convince 97% of climate scientists. That it hasn't convinced a Luddite like you is no surprise. Actually, I think it's a point in my favor.

You mean 97% of less than 40 scientists.

Less than compelling, actually.

 

[Abraham3]

Six different surveys found more than 95% of active climate scientists accept AGW. Thousands of scientists and over ten thousand published studies were surveyed. Try to keep up.

What percentage of scientists have YOUR surveys found disagree with AGW? That is, how many agree with YOU, Dave?

 

[Bloodrock44]

Are these the same scientists who predicted the coming ice age? If we couldn't believe them then, WTF makes you think we can believe them now?

Don?t Miss it! Climate Depot?s Factsheet on 1970s Coming ?Ice Age? Claims | Climate Depot

 

[Old Rocks]

What do the real scientists have to say? The AGU, the scientific society with the most scientists engaged in study relating to climate;

http://sciencepolicy.agu.org/files/2013/08/AGU-ClimateFinalLinks.pdf

For the benefit of humanity, the American Geophysical Union and its network of Earth and space scientists are committed to studying climate change

 

[daveman]

Six different surveys found more than 95% of active climate scientists accept AGW. Thousands of scientists and over ten thousand published studies were surveyed. Try to keep up.

What percentage of scientists have YOUR surveys found disagree with AGW? That is, how many agree with YOU, Dave?

Science isn't a popularity poll, Skippy.

 

[Old Rocks]

The science has been good enough to convince 97% of climate scientists. That it hasn't convinced a Luddite like you is no surprise. Actually, I think it's a point in my favor.

You mean 97% of less than 40 scientists.

Less than compelling, actually.

As usual, you are full of shit.

There is not one Scientific Society in the world that denies that global warming is happening that that we are the cause. Not one National Academy of Science, not one major University.

American Chemical Society

“Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth’s climate system is changing in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and absorbing aerosol particles.” (IPCC, 2007) “Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for—and in many cases is already affecting—a broad range of human and natural systems.” (NRC, 2010a) “The potential threats are serious and actions are required to mitigate climate change risks and to adapt to deleterious climate change impacts that probably cannot be avoided.” (NRC, 2010b, c)

This statement reviews key probable climate change impacts and recommends actions required to mitigate or adapt to current and anticipated consequences

Global Climate Change

The American Meteorlogical Society

How is climate changing?

Warming of the climate system now is unequivocal, according to many different kinds of evidence. Observations show increases in globally averaged air and ocean temperatures, as well as widespread melting of snow and ice and rising globally averaged sea level. Surface temperature data for Earth as a whole, including readings over both land and ocean, show an increase of about 0.8°C (1.4°F) over the period 1901─2010 and about 0.5°C (0.9°F) over the period 1979–2010 (the era for which satellite-based temperature data are routinely available). Due to natural variability, not every year is warmer than the preceding year globally. Nevertheless, all of the 10 warmest years in the global temperature records up to 2011 have occurred since 1997, with 2005 and 2010 being the warmest two years in more than a century of global records. The warming trend is greatest in northern high latitudes and over land. In the U.S., most of the observed warming has occurred in the West and in Alaska; for the nation as a whole, there have been twice as many record daily high temperatures as record daily low temperatures in the first decade of the 21st century.

The effects of this warming are especially evident in the planet’s polar regions. Arctic sea ice extent and volume have been decreasing for the past several decades. Both the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have lost significant amounts of ice. Most of the world’s glaciers are in retreat.

2012 AMS Information Statement on Climate Change

And I can continue indefinately with statements from Scientific Societies here and around the world. And you cannot site a single Scientific Society in reply.

 

[Abraham3]

Six different surveys found more than 95% of active climate scientists accept AGW. Thousands of scientists and over ten thousand published studies were surveyed. Try to keep up.

What percentage of scientists have YOUR surveys found disagree with AGW? That is, how many agree with YOU, Dave?

Science isn't a popularity poll, Skippy.

Don't be an idiot. That's exactly what it is.

And, again, how many scientists have YOUR polls shown agree with YOU, Dave?

 

[daveman]

Science isn't a popularity poll, Skippy.

Don't be an idiot. That's exactly what it is.

Ummm...no. No, it isn't.

That you believe it is shows you have no concept of how science is supposed to work (as opposed to how climate "science" is done).

Looks like everything you say can be safely discarded as worthless.

 

[Abraham3]

Science isn't a popularity poll, Skippy.

Don't be an idiot. That's exactly what it is.

Ummm...no. No, it isn't.

That you believe it is shows you have no concept of how science is supposed to work (as opposed to how climate "science" is done).

Looks like everything you say can be safely discarded as worthless.

You wouldn't know science if it was up your ass, sideways.

Why do we say any theory is correct? A theory's level of correctness is judged solely on what proportion of scientists accept it. There is no final arbitrating authority. Scientists (plural) are the authority.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes, you do and they do.

I'm terribly sorry, but no we do not. However, increased temperatures increase the intensity of our weather so the temperature increases we have experienced are responsible, to some degree, for the intensity of all our weather. It is ridiculous to say that global warming caused some specific storm, but it is equally ridiculous to say it had no part in its creation.

GoldiRocks is infamous for posting dingbat theories about how TODAY'S WEATHER is a direct consequence of the 0.6degC rise in temp he's seen in his lifetime and RIGHT NOW -- TrollingBlunder (aka TinkerBelle) is posting on the -40 temp thread fairytales about how Sea Ice Melt is responsible for TODAY'S cold snap.. I'm not buying your innocent plea here..

James Hansen up the ante with his silly "shifting of the mean" nonsense.. Weather does not RUN on absolute temps. It runs on thermal differences.. And Atmos pressure diffs and water vapor DIFFERENTIALS..

 

[Abraham3]

Yes, you do and they do.

I'm terribly sorry, but no we do not. However, increased temperatures increase the intensity of our weather so the temperature increases we have experienced are responsible, to some degree, for the intensity of all our weather. It is ridiculous to say that global warming caused some specific storm, but it is equally ridiculous to say it had no part in its creation.

GoldiRocks is infamous for posting dingbat theories about how TODAY'S WEATHER is a direct consequence of the 0.6degC rise in temp he's seen in his lifetime and RIGHT NOW -- TrollingBlunder (aka TinkerBelle) is posting on the -40 temp thread fairytales about how Sea Ice Melt is responsible for TODAY'S cold snap.. I'm not buying your innocent plea here..

James Hansen up the ante with his silly "shifting of the mean" nonsense.. Weather does not RUN on absolute temps. It runs on thermal differences.. And Atmos pressure diffs and water vapor DIFFERENTIALS..

Higher absolutes allows more room for differentials. Increased energy allows for higher pressures, steeper gradients, warmer oceans, increased atmospheric enthalpy. More intense weather.

If you want to argue this, just say "Increased temperature will not increase weather energy",