97 percent myth

[Crick]

Morning Carl. Do you believe Dr Peterson when he says there are more fat poor people than thin poor people?

 

[elektra]

So I guess we can conclude that you've never taken Probability and Statistics 101.

Probably

 

[jc456]

There is a well known myth called the 97 percent myth that falsely claims 97 percent of climate scientists put the blame on the backs of humans for climate changing.

We call bullshit on that claim.

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues: op-ed

In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy.

www.fraserinstitute.org

Appeared in the Financial Post, May 2015
In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy. One of the most powerful rhetorical weapons being deployed is the claim that 97 per cent of the world’s scientists agree what the problem is and what we have to do about it. In the face of such near-unanimity, it would be understandable if Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Canadian government were simply to capitulate and throw Canada’s economy under the climate change bandwagon. But it would be a tragedy because the 97 per cent claim is a fabrication.
Like so much else in the climate change debate, one needs to check the numbers. First of all, on what exactly are 97 per cent of experts supposed to agree? In 2013, U.S. President Barack Obama sent out a tweet claiming 97 per cent of climate experts believe global warming is “real, man-made and dangerous.” As it turns out, the survey he was referring to didn’t ask that question, so he was basically making it up. At a recent debate in New Orleans, I heard climate activist Bill McKibben claim there was a consensus that greenhouse gases are “a grave danger.” But when challenged for the source of his claim, he promptly withdrew it.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change asserts the conclusion that most (more than 50 per cent) of the post-1950 global warming is due to human activity, chiefly greenhouse gas emissions and land use change. But it does not survey its own contributors, let alone anyone else, so we do not know how many experts agree with it. And the statement, even if true, does not imply that we face a crisis requiring massive restructuring of the worldwide economy. In fact, it is consistent with the view that the benefits of fossil fuel use greatly outweigh the climate-related costs.
One commonly cited survey asked if carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and human activities contribute to climate change. But these are trivial statements that even many IPCC skeptics agree with. And again, both statements are consistent with the view that climate change is harmless. So there are no policy implications of such surveys, regardless of the level of agreement.

So, most everyone says that humans contribute CO2! That’s fking it. Warmers take that and run! Doesn’t mean anything more than, yep humans breathe! Now get to the question if humans cause warming and 75 of 77!

 

[Robert W]

So, most everyone says that humans contribute CO2! That’s fking it. Warmers take that and run! Doesn’t mean anything more than, yep humans breathe! Now get to the question if humans cause warming and 75 of 77!

I want to believe that we humans as we breathe out Carbon Dioxide, we did not create it, we breathed it in and then moments after back out.

 

[Crick]

I want to believe that we humans as we breathe out Carbon Dioxide, we did not create it, we breathed it in and then moments after back out.

Eh? All animal life uses oxygen from the air to metabolize a compound called adenosine triphosphate. That provides energy and produces carbon dioxide as a waste product.

We inhale the air, our lungs absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide. We exhale and remove the carbon dioxide from our body.

 

[skookerasbil]

Lol....created this Photobucket Classic in 2010...still applies nearly 15 years later....

Still makes me laugh....

 

[jc456]

Eh? All animal life uses oxygen from the air to metabolize a compound called adenosine triphosphate. That provides energy and produces carbon dioxide as a waste product.

We inhale the air, our lungs absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide. We exhale and remove the carbon dioxide from our body.

And any carbon dioxide we inhaled to filter the oxygen. You know that right?

 

[Robert W]

Eh? All animal life uses oxygen from the air to metabolize a compound called adenosine triphosphate. That provides energy and produces carbon dioxide as a waste product.

We inhale the air, our lungs absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide. We exhale and remove the carbon dioxide from our body.

Thanks for confirming what I was talking about.

 

[Crick]

And any carbon dioxide we inhaled to filter the oxygen. You know that right?

What do you think is meant when people use the term "air"?

 

[jc456]

What do you think is meant when people use the term "air"?

Your post didn’t make sense

 

[jc456]

Thanks for confirming what I was talking about.

Right? Not sure his point other than to suggest all we breathe in is oxygen! That’s how I read it

 

[Robert W]

Right? Not sure his point other than to suggest all we breathe in is oxygen! That’s how I read it

Yup and breathe out Carbon Dioxide. We must be assholes to do this. I want to laugh. But his kind blame man and it makes me sad he is so anti human about climate.

 

[Crick]

Indigestible text brick, that fails to refute the OP's correct point.

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I'm sorry I used too many big words. Get a fucking education.

 

[Robert W]

I'm sorry I used too many big words. Get a fucking education.

Say, is that what you mean by insulting posters?

 

[Crick]

Say, is that what you mean by insulting posters?

Those that deserve such comments, yes.

 

[Robert W]

Those that deserve such comments, yes.

I will honestly tell you that though I respect engineers, for many reasons, my time spent here is not trying to insult even the hard core left. Aren't you hard core left?

 

[Oddball]

I'm sorry I used too many big words. Get a fucking education.

You didn't use big words, you engaged in the fallacy of excessive verbosity.

The "97%" were STILL self-selected, smug asshole.

 

[Robert W]

Those that deserve such comments, yes.

Crick, to help you understand, check out this PHD who teaches at a university.

Dr. Matthew Wielicki: I Refuse to Stay Silent about Climate Change | PragerU

When Dr. Matthew Wielicki refused to stay silent about climate change and earth science, he became a professor-in-exile. Even though members of the…

www.prageru.com

 

[Crick]

Crick, to help you understand, check out this PHD who teaches at a university.

Dr. Matthew Wielicki: I Refuse to Stay Silent about Climate Change | PragerU

When Dr. Matthew Wielicki refused to stay silent about climate change and earth science, he became a professor-in-exile. Even though members of the…

www.prageru.com

Why don't you look up Prager University and see why you should not be relying on them as a reference source.

Matt Wielicki resigned in response to what he said were "woke" policies of his employer that he said were undermining the merit system. He was not fired for his views on global warming.

 

[Crick]

Robert, to help you understand, here are the PhDs who authored the Technical Summary of The Physical Science Basis, part of the IPCC's Sixth Assessment Report.

Coordinating Authors:
Paola A. Arias (Colombia), Nicolas Bellouin (United Kingdom/France), Erika Coppola (Italy),
Richard G. Jones (United Kingdom), Gerhard Krinner (France/Germany, France), Jochem Marotzke
(Germany), Vaishali Naik (United States of America), Matthew D. Palmer (United Kingdom),
Gian-Kasper Plattner (Switzerland), Joeri Rogelj (United Kingdom/Belgium), Maisa Rojas (Chile),
Jana Sillmann (Norway/Germany), Trude Storelvmo (Norway), Peter W. Thorne (Ireland/United
Kingdom), Blair Trewin (Australia)
Authors:
Krishna Achuta Rao (India), Bhupesh Adhikary (Nepal), Richard P. Allan (United Kingdom),
Kyle Armour (United States of America), Govindasamy Bala (India/United States of America),
Rondrotiana Barimalala (South Africa/Madagascar), Sophie Berger (France/Belgium),
Josep G. Canadell (Australia), Christophe Cassou (France), Annalisa Cherchi (Italy), William Collins
(United Kingdom), William D. Collins (United States of America), Sarah L. Connors (France/United
Kingdom), Susanna Corti (Italy), Faye Cruz (Philippines), Frank J. Dentener (EU/The Netherlands),
Claudine Dereczynski (Brazil), Alejandro Di Luca (Australia, Canada/Argentina), Aida Diongue
Niang (Senegal), Francisco J. Doblas-Reyes (Spain), Alessandro Dosio (Italy), Hervé Douville (France),
François Engelbrecht (South Africa), Veronika Eyring (Germany), Erich Fischer (Switzerland), Piers
Forster (United Kingdom), Baylor Fox-Kemper (United States of America), Jan S. Fuglestvedt
(Norway), John C. Fyfe (Canada), Nathan P. Gillett (Canada), Leah Goldfarb (France/United States
of America), Irina Gorodetskaya (Portugal/Russian Federation, Belgium), Jose Manuel Gutierrez
(Spain), Rafiq Hamdi (Belgium), Ed Hawkins (United Kingdom), Helene T. Hewitt (United Kingdom),
Pandora Hope (Australia), AKM Saiful Islam (Bangladesh), Christopher Jones (United Kingdom),
Darrell S. Kaufman (United States of America), Robert E. Kopp (United States of America),
Yu Kosaka (Japan), James Kossin (United States of America), Svitlana Krakovska (Ukraine),
June-Yi Lee (Republic of Korea), Jian Li (China), Thorsten Mauritsen (Sweden, Denmark), Thomas
K. Maycock (United States of America), Malte Meinshausen (Australia/Germany), Seung-Ki Min
(Republic of Korea), Pedro M. S. Monteiro (South Africa), Thanh Ngo-Duc (Vietnam), Friederike
Otto (United Kingdom/Germany), Izidine Pinto (South Africa/Mozambique), Anna Pirani (Italy),
Krishnan Raghavan (India), Roshanka Ranasinghe (The Netherlands/Sri Lanka, Australia), Alex
C. Ruane (United States of America), Lucas Ruiz (Argentina), Jean-Baptiste Sallée (France), Bjørn
H. Samset (Norway), Shubha Sathyendranath (UK/Canada, United Kingdom, Overseas Citizen of
India), Sonia I. Seneviratne (Switzerland), Anna A. Sörensson (Argentina), Sophie Szopa (France),
Izuru Takayabu (Japan), Anne-Marie Treguier (France), Bart van den Hurk (The Netherlands),
Robert Vautard (France), Karina von Schuckmann (France/Germany), Sönke Zaehle (Germany),
Xuebin Zhang (Canada), Kirsten Zickfeld (Canada/Germany)
Contributing Authors:
Guðfinna Aðalgeirsdóttir (Iceland), Lincoln M. Alves (Brazil), Terje Berntsen (Norway),
Sara M. Blichner (Norway), Lisa Bock (Germany), Gregory G. Garner (United States of America),
Joelle Gergis (Australia), Sergey K. Gulev (Russian Federation), Mathias Hauser (Switzerland),
Flavio Lehner (United States of America/Switzerland), Chao Li (China), Marianne T. Lund
(Norway), Daniel J. Lunt (United Kingdom), Sebastian Milinski (Germany), Gemma Teresa
Narisma (Philippines), Zebedee R. J. Nicholls (Australia), Dirk Notz (Germany), Sophie Nowicki
(United States of America/France, United States of America), Bette Otto-Bliesner (United States
of America), Brodie Pearson (United States of America/United Kingdom), Adam S. Phillips
(United States of America), James Renwick (New Zealand), Stéphane Sénési (France), Lucas Silva
(Portugal/Switzerland), Aimee B. A. Slangen (The Netherlands), Thomas F. Stocker (Switzerland),
Claudia Tebaldi (United States of America), Laurent Terray (France), Sabin Thazhe Purayil (India),
Andrew Turner (United Kingdom), Steven Turnock (United Kingdom), Carolina Vera (Argentina),
Cunde Xiao (China), Panmao Zhai (China)
Review Editors:
Valérie Masson-Delmotte (France), Gregory M. Flato (Canada), Noureddine Yassa (Algeria)