81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

[BluesLegend]

On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?

Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

And still have more value than the bottom feeders that demand everyone else support them. How sad it must be to know that someone could pay 80% of their income in taxes and still buy and sell a piece of shit like you a hundred times over.

When taxes were higher, the 'rich' hoarded their money, not risking it, it wasn't worth risking it since government would confiscate the profits, and so money was parked in long term investments that did not suffer the punish the rich taxes and the 'rich' did not risk starting new businesses or expanding existing businesses thus creating new jobs. Which is why the damn taxes were lowered to encourage job growth, goddamn these liberals are retards.

 

[Conservative65]

On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?

Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

 

[BluesLegend]

You wish to punish the rich, why?

Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

 

[Conservative65]

Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

What they're really saying is we vote against their best interests. Last time I looked, it's not my place to do for them.

 

[BluesLegend]

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

What they're really saying is we vote against their best interests. Last time I looked, it's not my place to do for them.

Its simple, Democrat policies keep poor people poor. So Democrat politicians invent a boogeyman to blame for this, the 'rich'.

 

[Conservative65]

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

What they're really saying is we vote against their best interests. Last time I looked, it's not my place to do for them.

Its simple, Democrat policies keep poor people poor. So Democrat politicians invent a boogeyman to blame for this, the 'rich'.

Poor people tend to be frustrated at their situation despite most of them being that way due to their own choices in life. Because of that frustration, they are at wits end in figuring out how to get out of it. Since they are frustrated, it's easy to convince them that it's not their fault. They live under the viewpoint that the economy operates as a zero sum game with the pie being a fixed size believing if they don't have something someone else took it from them. Since the rich have things, who else would the Democrat use to blame.

 

[BluesLegend]

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

What they're really saying is we vote against their best interests. Last time I looked, it's not my place to do for them.

Its simple, Democrat policies keep poor people poor. So Democrat politicians invent a boogeyman to blame for this, the 'rich'.

Poor people tend to be frustrated at their situation despite most of them being that way due to their own choices in life. Because of that frustration, they are at wits end in figuring out how to get out of it. Since they are frustrated, it's easy to convince them that it's not their fault. They live under the viewpoint that the economy operates as a zero sum game with the pie being a fixed size believing if they don't have something someone else took it from them. Since the rich have things, who else would the Democrat use to blame.

Some poor people made bad choices, but having lived in several Democrat run states the problem is Democrats vampire suck the poor dry with taxes and fees that hit the poor the hardest. Its not Dem vs Rep in these Democrat run states, its Dem politicians and their public employee union pals vs the citizens, with Dem's and the public employee unions bleeding the state dry, poor Dem's, poor Rep's everyone is vamp sucked. Hence the middle class fleeing states like California and Michigan.

 

[francoHFW]

WTH is wrong with you? Enjoy the giant tax cut for the rich. Oh, richer than you...and GOP dereg bubble/bust......

Why shouldn't those that have been footing the bill get a cut and that applies to everyone that foots the bill. The 50% in this country that pay zero income tax have been freeloading long enough. It's high time they pay their fair share and quit expecting others to pay more into something to which they pay nothing.

Do you know what a family of four has to have as a family income before paying a dime in income taxes based solely on the makeup of the family? I can tell you but I want you to guess.

They already pay plenty, dupe. Fed income taxes are NOT the only kind of taxes, dupe.
The one tax graph you really need to know

By Ezra Klein September 19, 2012
At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

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But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

That's the one you used several months ago claiming everyone paid between 20 - 30%. When I showed you it was wrong, you still didn't admit your mistake. Now you change your story. Typical NL.

You showed me BS. I said if you count all taxes and fees, everyone pays between 20-30%. Check the ridiculous fees we have now as as states and localities try to make ends meet- and you'll see I'm right... Get over your brainwashed/racist obsession with the poor. The megarich don't pay enough and the middle class and the country have been slowly ruined the last 35 years.

 

[francoHFW]

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

These resident liberals keep vomiting about how we vote against our best interest, when its Democrats policies that are the job killers. Confiscating and redistributing the 'rich' money won't work, they don't have enough money to gift a good life to the other 300 million people. Doing so would kill jobs and any chance of people working their way up the ladder to a better life. Democrats policies are a flesh eating bacteria.

What they're really saying is we vote against their best interests. Last time I looked, it's not my place to do for them.

Its simple, Democrat policies keep poor people poor. So Democrat politicians invent a boogeyman to blame for this, the 'rich'.

Poor people tend to be frustrated at their situation despite most of them being that way due to their own choices in life. Because of that frustration, they are at wits end in figuring out how to get out of it. Since they are frustrated, it's easy to convince them that it's not their fault. They live under the viewpoint that the economy operates as a zero sum game with the pie being a fixed size believing if they don't have something someone else took it from them. Since the rich have things, who else would the Democrat use to blame.

Thanks for the irrelevant RW "common sense" BS- It's the poor's fault lol. Meanwhile, college and training costs etc etc have gotten out of hand the last 35 years too, all to save the megarich bottom line, dupe. WE need a Dem control regime for 4 years. Last time: LBJ.

 

[Doc1]

81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

You aren't real bright kid. It's Obama's "signature achievement", it belongs to him.
Dumbass.

 

[HenryBHough]

[

You aren't real bright kid. It's Obama's "signature achievement", it belongs to him.
Dumbass.

They also seem to want to avoid sharing credit

for His legacy....

 

[francoHFW]

81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

It was the little black BOY that put Obamacare in place. Without that travesty being started, nothing would have to be done. However, if anyone is to blame, it's McCain. I guess when he couldn't even beat a black guy for President, he had to do something to save face.

Nonbrainwashed people realized the old corrupt GOP/Big Health/17%+ of GDP/ER care/bankruptcy/scam, cutoffs was killing people and prosperity, and something had to be done. This ACA is the supposed GOP plan (of course just a canard- they love that Big Health/AMA money too much...) and will work when the bought off GOP stops sabotaging it and allows some tinkering- which will go on forever just as it does everywhere else...

 

[Doc1]

81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

It was the little black BOY that put Obamacare in place. Without that travesty being started, nothing would have to be done. However, if anyone is to blame, it's McCain. I guess when he couldn't even beat a black guy for President, he had to do something to save face.

Nonbrainwashed people realized the old corrupt GOP/Big Health/17%+ of GDP/ER care/bankruptcy/scam, cutoffs was killing people and prosperity, and something had to be done. This ACA is the supposed GOP plan (of course just a canard- they love that Big Health/AMA money too much...) and will work when the bought off GOP stops sabotaging it and allows some tinkering- which will go on forever just as it does everywhere else...

Sorry dupe, you're an idiot. It IS working, soon you'll have your Single Payer.

 

[Clintonista]

If the American people wanted to keep Obamacare and pay more for health care they would have elected Clinton. Trump promised health care at a fraction of the cost. Every hike from this point onward is on him now. I am very happy to see the people stupid enough to believe him having to pay hard cash for their big mistake. It is just a shame that every American has to suffer because of them too.

 

[francoHFW]

81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

You aren't real bright kid. It's Obama's "signature achievement", it belongs to him.
Dumbass.

Hilarious...Nonbrainwashed people realized the old corrupt GOP/Big Health/17%+ of GDP/ER care/bankruptcy/scam, cutoffs was killing people and prosperity, and something had to be done. This ACA is the supposed GOP plan (of course just a canard- they love that Big Health/AMA money too much...) and will work when the bought off GOP stops sabotaging it and allows some tinkering- which will go on forever just as it does everywhere else...

 

[francoHFW]

81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

It was the little black BOY that put Obamacare in place. Without that travesty being started, nothing would have to be done. However, if anyone is to blame, it's McCain. I guess when he couldn't even beat a black guy for President, he had to do something to save face.

Nonbrainwashed people realized the old corrupt GOP/Big Health/17%+ of GDP/ER care/bankruptcy/scam, cutoffs was killing people and prosperity, and something had to be done. This ACA is the supposed GOP plan (of course just a canard- they love that Big Health/AMA money too much...) and will work when the bought off GOP stops sabotaging it and allows some tinkering- which will go on forever just as it does everywhere else...

Sorry dupe, you're an idiot. It IS working, soon you'll have your Single Payer.

Single payer will never pass. We finally got lucky and got this thru. It'll work. It need to be fully implemented and time for competition and more tinkering. It'll end up with insurers being basically non-profits. Going back to no regulation, ER care, 750k bankruptcies and 45k deaths a year, scams, cutoffs, etc, is just plain nuts.

No mandate is fine- Obama didn't want that.

 

[francoHFW]

WTH is wrong with you? Enjoy the giant tax cut for the rich. Oh, richer than you...and GOP dereg bubble/bust......

Why shouldn't those that have been footing the bill get a cut and that applies to everyone that foots the bill. The 50% in this country that pay zero income tax have been freeloading long enough. It's high time they pay their fair share and quit expecting others to pay more into something to which they pay nothing.

Do you know what a family of four has to have as a family income before paying a dime in income taxes based solely on the makeup of the family? I can tell you but I want you to guess.

Everyone pays about the same % in taxes, superdupe, with the rich getting all the new wealth and the middle class and the country slowly falling apart. Sorry about facts.

 

[Clintonista]

Trump voters: Every time you pay your higher and higher health insurance and health care costs consider it a stupidity tax for voting for Trump instead of a real Republican.

 

[francoHFW]

You wish to punish the rich, why?

Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.

That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.

Democrats think all jobs come from the government.

So many stupid talking points...Keep cutting taxes on the rich and services, cheap college, training and programs for the nonrich, keep up blaming the victims, dupe. Great job!

 

[Doc1]

If the American people wanted to keep Obamacare and pay more for health care they would have elected Clinton. Trump promised health care at a fraction of the cost. Every hike from this point onward is on him now. I am very happy to see the people stupid enough to believe him having to pay hard cash for their big mistake. It is just a shame that every American has to suffer because of them too.

Actually its fun and interesting to watch idiots post and say stupid things. You qualify. Bitchlery lost because as the worst candidate in modern history.